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 serial thriller  The Promised Land 30 Sep 15 11.11am |
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Quote Stuk at 28 Sep 2015 3.35pm
Quote serial thriller at 27 Sep 2015 10.48am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 25 Sep 2015 11.16am
Quote DanH at 25 Sep 2015 10.02am
Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 25 Sep 2015 8.11am
So as suspected the vegan shadow farming minister is unable to resist trying to force her beliefs on the general public.
MP's shouldn't be standing for what they believe in - They're there to represent their constituents, not to direct the electorate but to serve as a means by which their constituants, including those who didn't vote for them, engage in the democratic process. There should be more to democracy than just making a choice between four or five people every 1800 days.
1) These comments were made before she became minister, thus I think she was totally within her rights to make them. 2) This isn't just an issue of health. The meat industry accounts for more carbon emmissions than cars, and scientists reckon that if global meat consumption continues as it is, it will account for the magic 2% rise in temperatures within our lifetimes on its own. That will see large amounts of the world submerged in water, causing increased migration, death, poverty etc etc. 3) Levels of heart disease, high cholesterol, cancer and obesity are all almost directly connected with an increase in processed food consumption, and the vast majority of processed food is meat. We in Britain eat twice the amount of meat we did 40 years ago, and given the hot topic of the NHS in this country, one way to drastically reduce the burden on the NHS would be to decrease the meat intake our society partakes in. Another example of the adverse health effects of animal products: I was talking to a bloke who used to work on a dairy farm, and he said that due to the increased consumption of milk, farmers were being forced in to pumping the cows with lactative chemicals to make them produce milk three times a day in contrast to their natural two. This meant the milk was of much worse quality, and he himself said he now doesn't drink cows milk because he thinks it's so bad for you. Education on these subjects in this country is almost non-existent, and for a minister to actually come out and say that something has to be done would be very refreshing. Education is always the best method, and given the detachment most people have from what arrives on your plate and what is actually in it, what effect it's having on the environment and, crucially, knowing something has actually been tortured and killed for you to enjoy, I say fair play to McCarthy. Oh, and while we're on the topic, this is really worth a watch if you're interested in how your food is produced: [Link] Edited by serial thriller (27 Sep 2015 10.50am) What a load of waffle and hyperbole. Have you been reading those Indian school books again?
I would show you exactly where I get my facts from, but I know that last time I did that you got very angry, so I'll leave you to look for yourself this time.
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Quote serial thriller at 30 Sep 2015 11.11am
Quote Stuk at 28 Sep 2015 3.35pm
Quote serial thriller at 27 Sep 2015 10.48am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 25 Sep 2015 11.16am
Quote DanH at 25 Sep 2015 10.02am
Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 25 Sep 2015 8.11am
So as suspected the vegan shadow farming minister is unable to resist trying to force her beliefs on the general public.
MP's shouldn't be standing for what they believe in - They're there to represent their constituents, not to direct the electorate but to serve as a means by which their constituants, including those who didn't vote for them, engage in the democratic process. There should be more to democracy than just making a choice between four or five people every 1800 days.
1) These comments were made before she became minister, thus I think she was totally within her rights to make them. 2) This isn't just an issue of health. The meat industry accounts for more carbon emmissions than cars, and scientists reckon that if global meat consumption continues as it is, it will account for the magic 2% rise in temperatures within our lifetimes on its own. That will see large amounts of the world submerged in water, causing increased migration, death, poverty etc etc. 3) Levels of heart disease, high cholesterol, cancer and obesity are all almost directly connected with an increase in processed food consumption, and the vast majority of processed food is meat. We in Britain eat twice the amount of meat we did 40 years ago, and given the hot topic of the NHS in this country, one way to drastically reduce the burden on the NHS would be to decrease the meat intake our society partakes in. Another example of the adverse health effects of animal products: I was talking to a bloke who used to work on a dairy farm, and he said that due to the increased consumption of milk, farmers were being forced in to pumping the cows with lactative chemicals to make them produce milk three times a day in contrast to their natural two. This meant the milk was of much worse quality, and he himself said he now doesn't drink cows milk because he thinks it's so bad for you. Education on these subjects in this country is almost non-existent, and for a minister to actually come out and say that something has to be done would be very refreshing. Education is always the best method, and given the detachment most people have from what arrives on your plate and what is actually in it, what effect it's having on the environment and, crucially, knowing something has actually been tortured and killed for you to enjoy, I say fair play to McCarthy. Oh, and while we're on the topic, this is really worth a watch if you're interested in how your food is produced: [Link] Edited by serial thriller (27 Sep 2015 10.50am) What a load of waffle and hyperbole. Have you been reading those Indian school books again?
I would show you exactly where I get my facts from, but I know that last time I did that you got very angry, so I'll leave you to look for yourself this time.
Some of your postings are beyond the realms of fantasy!
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 30 Sep 15 11.24am |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 30 Sep 2015 11.17am
Quote serial thriller at 30 Sep 2015 11.11am
Quote Stuk at 28 Sep 2015 3.35pm
Quote serial thriller at 27 Sep 2015 10.48am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 25 Sep 2015 11.16am
Quote DanH at 25 Sep 2015 10.02am
Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 25 Sep 2015 8.11am
So as suspected the vegan shadow farming minister is unable to resist trying to force her beliefs on the general public.
MP's shouldn't be standing for what they believe in - They're there to represent their constituents, not to direct the electorate but to serve as a means by which their constituants, including those who didn't vote for them, engage in the democratic process. There should be more to democracy than just making a choice between four or five people every 1800 days.
1) These comments were made before she became minister, thus I think she was totally within her rights to make them. 2) This isn't just an issue of health. The meat industry accounts for more carbon emmissions than cars, and scientists reckon that if global meat consumption continues as it is, it will account for the magic 2% rise in temperatures within our lifetimes on its own. That will see large amounts of the world submerged in water, causing increased migration, death, poverty etc etc. 3) Levels of heart disease, high cholesterol, cancer and obesity are all almost directly connected with an increase in processed food consumption, and the vast majority of processed food is meat. We in Britain eat twice the amount of meat we did 40 years ago, and given the hot topic of the NHS in this country, one way to drastically reduce the burden on the NHS would be to decrease the meat intake our society partakes in. Another example of the adverse health effects of animal products: I was talking to a bloke who used to work on a dairy farm, and he said that due to the increased consumption of milk, farmers were being forced in to pumping the cows with lactative chemicals to make them produce milk three times a day in contrast to their natural two. This meant the milk was of much worse quality, and he himself said he now doesn't drink cows milk because he thinks it's so bad for you. Education on these subjects in this country is almost non-existent, and for a minister to actually come out and say that something has to be done would be very refreshing. Education is always the best method, and given the detachment most people have from what arrives on your plate and what is actually in it, what effect it's having on the environment and, crucially, knowing something has actually been tortured and killed for you to enjoy, I say fair play to McCarthy. Oh, and while we're on the topic, this is really worth a watch if you're interested in how your food is produced: [Link] Edited by serial thriller (27 Sep 2015 10.50am) What a load of waffle and hyperbole. Have you been reading those Indian school books again?
I would show you exactly where I get my facts from, but I know that last time I did that you got very angry, so I'll leave you to look for yourself this time.
Some of your postings are beyond the realms of fantasy!
If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4 |
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Quote serial thriller at 30 Sep 2015 11.24am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 30 Sep 2015 11.17am
Quote serial thriller at 30 Sep 2015 11.11am
Quote Stuk at 28 Sep 2015 3.35pm
Quote serial thriller at 27 Sep 2015 10.48am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 25 Sep 2015 11.16am
Quote DanH at 25 Sep 2015 10.02am
Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 25 Sep 2015 8.11am
So as suspected the vegan shadow farming minister is unable to resist trying to force her beliefs on the general public.
MP's shouldn't be standing for what they believe in - They're there to represent their constituents, not to direct the electorate but to serve as a means by which their constituants, including those who didn't vote for them, engage in the democratic process. There should be more to democracy than just making a choice between four or five people every 1800 days.
1) These comments were made before she became minister, thus I think she was totally within her rights to make them. 2) This isn't just an issue of health. The meat industry accounts for more carbon emmissions than cars, and scientists reckon that if global meat consumption continues as it is, it will account for the magic 2% rise in temperatures within our lifetimes on its own. That will see large amounts of the world submerged in water, causing increased migration, death, poverty etc etc. 3) Levels of heart disease, high cholesterol, cancer and obesity are all almost directly connected with an increase in processed food consumption, and the vast majority of processed food is meat. We in Britain eat twice the amount of meat we did 40 years ago, and given the hot topic of the NHS in this country, one way to drastically reduce the burden on the NHS would be to decrease the meat intake our society partakes in. Another example of the adverse health effects of animal products: I was talking to a bloke who used to work on a dairy farm, and he said that due to the increased consumption of milk, farmers were being forced in to pumping the cows with lactative chemicals to make them produce milk three times a day in contrast to their natural two. This meant the milk was of much worse quality, and he himself said he now doesn't drink cows milk because he thinks it's so bad for you. Education on these subjects in this country is almost non-existent, and for a minister to actually come out and say that something has to be done would be very refreshing. Education is always the best method, and given the detachment most people have from what arrives on your plate and what is actually in it, what effect it's having on the environment and, crucially, knowing something has actually been tortured and killed for you to enjoy, I say fair play to McCarthy. Oh, and while we're on the topic, this is really worth a watch if you're interested in how your food is produced: [Link] Edited by serial thriller (27 Sep 2015 10.50am) What a load of waffle and hyperbole. Have you been reading those Indian school books again?
I would show you exactly where I get my facts from, but I know that last time I did that you got very angry, so I'll leave you to look for yourself this time.
Some of your postings are beyond the realms of fantasy!
You used this exact same phrase against Stuk! Is this a direct quote from Terry Pratchett? LOL Edited by Hoof Hearted (30 Sep 2015 12.03pm)
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Quote serial thriller at 30 Sep 2015 11.11am
Quote Stuk at 28 Sep 2015 3.35pm
Quote serial thriller at 27 Sep 2015 10.48am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 25 Sep 2015 11.16am
Quote DanH at 25 Sep 2015 10.02am
Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 25 Sep 2015 8.11am
So as suspected the vegan shadow farming minister is unable to resist trying to force her beliefs on the general public.
MP's shouldn't be standing for what they believe in - They're there to represent their constituents, not to direct the electorate but to serve as a means by which their constituants, including those who didn't vote for them, engage in the democratic process. There should be more to democracy than just making a choice between four or five people every 1800 days.
1) These comments were made before she became minister, thus I think she was totally within her rights to make them. 2) This isn't just an issue of health. The meat industry accounts for more carbon emmissions than cars, and scientists reckon that if global meat consumption continues as it is, it will account for the magic 2% rise in temperatures within our lifetimes on its own. That will see large amounts of the world submerged in water, causing increased migration, death, poverty etc etc. 3) Levels of heart disease, high cholesterol, cancer and obesity are all almost directly connected with an increase in processed food consumption, and the vast majority of processed food is meat. We in Britain eat twice the amount of meat we did 40 years ago, and given the hot topic of the NHS in this country, one way to drastically reduce the burden on the NHS would be to decrease the meat intake our society partakes in. Another example of the adverse health effects of animal products: I was talking to a bloke who used to work on a dairy farm, and he said that due to the increased consumption of milk, farmers were being forced in to pumping the cows with lactative chemicals to make them produce milk three times a day in contrast to their natural two. This meant the milk was of much worse quality, and he himself said he now doesn't drink cows milk because he thinks it's so bad for you. Education on these subjects in this country is almost non-existent, and for a minister to actually come out and say that something has to be done would be very refreshing. Education is always the best method, and given the detachment most people have from what arrives on your plate and what is actually in it, what effect it's having on the environment and, crucially, knowing something has actually been tortured and killed for you to enjoy, I say fair play to McCarthy. Oh, and while we're on the topic, this is really worth a watch if you're interested in how your food is produced: [Link] Edited by serial thriller (27 Sep 2015 10.50am) What a load of waffle and hyperbole. Have you been reading those Indian school books again?
I would show you exactly where I get my facts from, but I know that last time I did that you got very angry, so I'll leave you to look for yourself this time. Just for starters, the "That will see large amounts of the world submerged in water, causing increased migration, death, poverty" and "tortured and killed for you to enjoy" parts. You wouldn't know a fact if it smacked you in the face.
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Serial...whilst I wouldn't argue with your points in the above post i'd add the following to broaden the discussion. There is over supply milk industry at the moment...which is why prices have dropped and Dairy farmers saying that its unsustainable. The fact that cattle may well be injected with Lactating serums(sp) clearly isn't helping this. Also re, meat, again it cant be argued that meat consumption is greater now than it has been; but that's just as likely due to affordability as it is anything else. The greatest threat to the Ozone is actually from the cattle farting...so technically you're correct in suggesting that the 'industry' needs to be addressed...perhaps if there was a way of harnessing the gas we'd be far better off (?) The real way to address these issues is education and moderation...as humans meat is an important part of a balanced diet as is dairy.
Also your last point really is worth tackling as I think it's a view dictated to us from childhood. You can get every single nutrient your body needs to live healthily from a non-animal-product based diet, except for vitamin B12. Veganism is less likely to lead to high blood pressure, cancer, heart disease and may many other illnesses, and you only have to walk around the streets to see the damaging effect a modern Western diet is having on our population. You may use B12 to argue your case, but for me taking supplements is a small price to pay if it means that we are not slaughtering innocent living beings for our own comfort and efficiency. Ultimately, I believe that if there is anything superior in human beings to animals, it is our ability to show love and empathy in a position of power over a weaker being. This is true whether in the case of rejecting human slavery, in political governance, or in terms of how we treat the animals that we share this planet with. I'm pretty sure you can get B12 from Bran and from Tofu (admittedly the levels are pretty low in the later). Unless you're eating liver, then most meats and fish aren't great sources of B12 anyhow. Although I'm not so sure about veganism, as an ethical choice, given that the survival of chickens, cows etc would kind of require a purposeful function, such as milk provision and eggs (its not like most livestock could probably survive in the wild). I think along the same lines, admittedly more weakly because I can't quite bring myself to cut out some meat (chicken, fish primarily and occasionally bacon and an occasional steak).
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Quote Kermit8 at 30 Sep 2015 2.32pm
Quote We are goin up! at 30 Sep 2015 2.26pm
To those who think Corbyn could be good for Labour... 40% of voters believe immigration is the single biggest issue that faces this country. Corbyn believes high levels of immigration is a good thing. In my eyes, Corbyn's election is a huge opportunity for UKIP to make gains in the North.
People can be scared of change. I get that. But i think both sides of the political divide are hungry for it. It's just finding that middle ground. Something like saving tens of billions and doing away with our nuclear arsenal could be a start and he's talking about that today. We don't really need the weapons anymore. For me the question in regards to a nuclear arsenal isn't whether we need one, or not, but whether its the the best expenditure of what will probably amount to around 100bn (Trident will cost us at least 80bn). Arguably, that's 100bn that is stacked for a very specific scenario, in which the UK requires the capacity to ensure a retaliatory nuclear strike. There may be more 'valuable' ways of spending that money than on the potential to vapourise a known enemies city, after they've nuked you.
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Quote chris123 at 30 Sep 2015 2.46pm
Quote Kermit8 at 30 Sep 2015 2.32pm
Quote We are goin up! at 30 Sep 2015 2.26pm
To those who think Corbyn could be good for Labour... 40% of voters believe immigration is the single biggest issue that faces this country. Corbyn believes high levels of immigration is a good thing. In my eyes, Corbyn's election is a huge opportunity for UKIP to make gains in the North.
People can be scared of change. I get that. But i think both sides of the political divide are hungry for it. It's just finding that middle ground. Something like saving tens of billions and doing away with our nuclear arsenal could be a start and he's talking about that today. We don't really need the weapons anymore. The state of European peace is more fragile now that for the last 20 years - Russia in Ukraine in particular - these things have a deterrent value just by having them, and to unilaterally disarm is not defending the realm, which should be any Governments priority. Problem is, that we don't really have a nuclear solution suitable to the modern world (very long story, but Trident isn't it - ideal for a cold war scenario where the enemy has the capacity to destroy you in a single strike). The problem is that the credible threats are China and Russia, both of which are economically so heavily entwined with Europe that they're unlikely to end up in a war (Plus Russia's own capability has greatly reduced with the break up of the Soviet Union). Problem is, all bar one of the alternatives is more expensive than Trident renewal (it seems) because the UK would need to develop things like cruise missile technologies etc. Basically in the 90s we made a choice to scrap our non-trident nuclear options - and that has come back to haunt us. So the reality of the 'Nuclear option' is a bit more complicated, as we can either have a fairly unsuited option, a new, but very expensive solution, a reduced solution (that's cheaper than trident, but offers lower firepower) or no solution (and spend the money elsewhere). The problem is that Trident will 'run out' before most of the alternatives would be ready. Incidentally, I lean towards the cheaper, scaled back lower destructive capability option - as long term it offers a greater flexibility and capacity to expand it.
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