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Hrolf The Ganger 18 Dec 20 4.37pm
Originally posted by Mapletree May I suggest, as I have suggested many times, that you discuss this with your black friends to find out how they think and what it is like to walk a mile in their shoes. They don't have a monopoly on sense or emotion. This is a tired old excuse from you. Emotions are not a good basis for reasoning, especially when they are prejudiced by self interest.

Hrolf The Ganger

18 Dec 20 4.37pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

May I suggest, as I have suggested many times, that you discuss this with your black friends to find out how they think and what it is like to walk a mile in their shoes.

They don't have a monopoly on sense or emotion. This is a tired old excuse from you.

Emotions are not a good basis for reasoning, especially when they are prejudiced by self interest.

Hrolf The Ganger 18 Dec 20 4.39pm
Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle Closer to home for me, you are more likely to be the recipient of a hate crime if you are Jewish than black. Anti-semitism is on the rise in many countries, France in particular where many Jews (often old people) Have been murdered in recent years. I don’t see anyone wanting to protest or take a knee for this. Why? Because it seems that blacks have the monopoly on playing victims. The irony in all this is that until you empower yourself you will always be a victim. Not as surprise when Europe is filling up with Muslims.

Hrolf The Ganger

18 Dec 20 4.39pm

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

Closer to home for me, you are more likely to be the recipient of a hate crime if you are Jewish than black. Anti-semitism is on the rise in many countries, France in particular where many Jews (often old people) Have been murdered in recent years.

I don’t see anyone wanting to protest or take a knee for this. Why? Because it seems that blacks have the monopoly on playing victims.

The irony in all this is that until you empower yourself you will always be a victim.

Not as surprise when Europe is filling up with Muslims.

Stirlingsays 18 Dec 20 4.41pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Had you attended a BLM rally you would have heard speakers specifically address anti-semitism and how BLM is intended to raise all issues of race and is supportive of any minority that suffers from unfair discrimination Oops, sorry, I interrupted your rant with a fact. That's discrimination. Why do you have to be in a minority? Unfair discrimination doesn't need a qualifier.....and we had DanH on here admitting and supporting discrimination based on race for jobs where he saw fit....and none of you lefties made a peep. BLM and all the rest of them are shakedown organizations for a 'diversity industry' who are only interested in money and power and will BS and lie till the cows come home. I remember putting the 'diversity job' adverts on here a few months back....organizations like the NHS giving jobs for 'diversity' while real workers are being laid off all round the country. People like you and Ali G...err sorry I mean DanH attacked me for it....apparently if you don't support the 'diversity industry' you're not nice....or some simple minded crap like that. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Dec 2020 4.44pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

18 Dec 20 4.41pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Had you attended a BLM rally you would have heard speakers specifically address anti-semitism and how BLM is intended to raise all issues of race and is supportive of any minority that suffers from unfair discrimination

Oops, sorry, I interrupted your rant with a fact.

That's discrimination.

Why do you have to be in a minority? Unfair discrimination doesn't need a qualifier.....and we had DanH on here admitting and supporting discrimination based on race for jobs where he saw fit....and none of you lefties made a peep.

BLM and all the rest of them are shakedown organizations for a 'diversity industry' who are only interested in money and power and will BS and lie till the cows come home.

I remember putting the 'diversity job' adverts on here a few months back....organizations like the NHS giving jobs for 'diversity' while real workers are being laid off all round the country.

People like you and Ali G...err sorry I mean DanH attacked me for it....apparently if you don't support the 'diversity industry' you're not nice....or some simple minded crap like that.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Dec 2020 4.44pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Tom-the-eagle Croydon 18 Dec 20 4.41pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Had you attended a BLM rally you would have heard speakers specifically address anti-semitism and how BLM is intended to raise all issues of race and is supportive of any minority that suffers from unfair discrimination Oops, sorry, I interrupted your rant with a fact. Great, what are BLM suggesting should be done re black gangs stabbing white kids or Asians gang raping white school kids? Probably not a lot I’m guessing. "It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit

Tom-the-eagle

Croydon 18 Dec 20 4.41pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Had you attended a BLM rally you would have heard speakers specifically address anti-semitism and how BLM is intended to raise all issues of race and is supportive of any minority that suffers from unfair discrimination

Oops, sorry, I interrupted your rant with a fact.

Great, what are BLM suggesting should be done re black gangs stabbing white kids or Asians gang raping white school kids?

Probably not a lot I’m guessing.

"It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit

madcap_v2 SE25 / Ibiza 18 Dec 20 5.05pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Bending down on one knee for a few seconds achieves nothing. If you ask them who the new black LBC presenter is, how she got into the broadcaster and what she’s been talking about for 6 months none of these footballers would know. You probably don’t either. Violent black on black violent crime you mean? A start of a lot of the problems nobody is allowed to or wants to risk their reputation or career addressing? Edited by Rudi Hedman (18 Dec 2020 12.25pm) I don't, you're right. Not a big fan of LBC, so I don't listen to it. If you believe that violent crime is only perpetrated by black people and/or it isn't a wider societal issue, fair play, but I don't agree. La la la your mum

madcap_v2

SE25 / Ibiza 18 Dec 20 5.05pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Bending down on one knee for a few seconds achieves nothing. If you ask them who the new black LBC presenter is, how she got into the broadcaster and what she’s been talking about for 6 months none of these footballers would know. You probably don’t either.

Violent black on black violent crime you mean? A start of a lot of the problems nobody is allowed to or wants to risk their reputation or career addressing?

Edited by Rudi Hedman (18 Dec 2020 12.25pm)

I don't, you're right. Not a big fan of LBC, so I don't listen to it.

If you believe that violent crime is only perpetrated by black people and/or it isn't a wider societal issue, fair play, but I don't agree.

La la la your mum

Rudi Hedman Caterham 18 Dec 20 5.13pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle It is NOT intended to directly address anything happening in the UK. Are you so wrapped up in your little England obsession that you cannot actually see that the players have a wider vision than that? And some here describe the footballers as thick! Simpletons going ‘’Okay then’’ might get you mistakenly feeling all fuzzy inside but it’s an error and futile gesture. The same foreign places where ignorance goes on you’re referring to aren’t going to change because of this and it changes barely anything here. Ask a black teenager in the future and find out. Edited by Rudi Hedman (18 Dec 2020 5.30pm) COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 18 Dec 20 5.13pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It is NOT intended to directly address anything happening in the UK.

Are you so wrapped up in your little England obsession that you cannot actually see that the players have a wider vision than that?

And some here describe the footballers as thick!

Simpletons going ‘’Okay then’’ might get you mistakenly feeling all fuzzy inside but it’s an error and futile gesture. The same foreign places where ignorance goes on you’re referring to aren’t going to change because of this and it changes barely anything here. Ask a black teenager in the future and find out.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (18 Dec 2020 5.30pm)

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 18 Dec 20 5.21pm
Originally posted by Eaglecoops Now there is a question that hasn’t been answered by anyone and I don’t count, ‘stop being racist’ as an answer. This is why i mentioned Denise Headley. She does say she believes in equal opportunities rather than equality of outcome but she then goes onto list things that are equality of outcome, without realising it maybe, plus a load of measures or ‘help’ far beyond what other non achieving groups receive. Originally she made some fair claims and requests but I’ve noticed she’s gone a bit far. Maybe because nothing has happened during all this virtue signalling. If something had happened then maybe she’d focus on that. Edited by Rudi Hedman (18 Dec 2020 5.26pm) COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 18 Dec 20 5.21pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Now there is a question that hasn’t been answered by anyone and I don’t count, ‘stop being racist’ as an answer.

This is why i mentioned Denise Headley. She does say she believes in equal opportunities rather than equality of outcome but she then goes onto list things that are equality of outcome, without realising it maybe, plus a load of measures or ‘help’ far beyond what other non achieving groups receive. Originally she made some fair claims and requests but I’ve noticed she’s gone a bit far. Maybe because nothing has happened during all this virtue signalling. If something had happened then maybe she’d focus on that.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (18 Dec 2020 5.26pm)

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 18 Dec 20 5.29pm
Originally posted by madcap_v2 I don't, you're right. Not a big fan of LBC, so I don't listen to it. If you believe that violent crime is only perpetrated by black people and/or it isn't a wider societal issue, fair play, but I don't agree. I didn’t say only and indeed people see red mist too often these days. But the figures are disproportionate with young black males. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 18 Dec 20 5.29pm

Originally posted by madcap_v2

I don't, you're right. Not a big fan of LBC, so I don't listen to it.

If you believe that violent crime is only perpetrated by black people and/or it isn't a wider societal issue, fair play, but I don't agree.

I didn’t say only and indeed people see red mist too often these days. But the figures are disproportionate with young black males.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Dec 20 5.54pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Well, yes, I think it is the point otherwise it’s an empty gesture. What is it they want everyone else to do to improve what you call oppression? Not our business. If you really want to know why don't you ask them? If they want to do it then that's fine by me. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 18 Dec 20 5.54pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Well, yes, I think it is the point otherwise it’s an empty gesture. What is it they want everyone else to do to improve what you call oppression?

Not our business. If you really want to know why don't you ask them? If they want to do it then that's fine by me.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Teddy Eagle 18 Dec 20 5.58pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Not our business. If you really want to know why don't you ask them? If they want to do it then that's fine by me. If it’s not our business then how are we supposed to help the situation?

Teddy Eagle

18 Dec 20 5.58pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Not our business. If you really want to know why don't you ask them? If they want to do it then that's fine by me.

If it’s not our business then how are we supposed to help the situation?

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Dec 20 6.12pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle That article also says kneeling is in support of the BLM movement which you have repeatedly denied. If footballers want to raise awareness of any subject why not do it by playing an entire match without diving, cheating or trying to gain an unfair advantage. Taking a throw in from the right place would be quite newsworthy in itself. OMG! NOT the POLITICAL movement. That has specifically and comprehensively been denied by the players and the FA. The movement they mean is that of the awareness that something now needed to be done which started in the USA. This is an extract from that article. Politics isn't mentioned:- "The BLM movement and taking a knee has grown in prominence in the United Kingdom following the death of George Floyd in the US in May, which sparked protests around the world." Colin Kaepernick started it. This is just a continuation. No politics involved. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 18 Dec 20 6.12pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

That article also says kneeling is in support of the BLM movement which you have repeatedly denied.
If footballers want to raise awareness of any subject why not do it by playing an entire match without diving, cheating or trying to gain an unfair advantage. Taking a throw in from the right place would be quite newsworthy in itself.

OMG!

NOT the POLITICAL movement. That has specifically and comprehensively been denied by the players and the FA. The movement they mean is that of the awareness that something now needed to be done which started in the USA. This is an extract from that article. Politics isn't mentioned:-

"The BLM movement and taking a knee has grown in prominence in the United Kingdom following the death of George Floyd in the US in May, which sparked protests around the world."

Colin Kaepernick started it. This is just a continuation. No politics involved.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Dec 20 6.18pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Simpletons going ‘’Okay then’’ might get you mistakenly feeling all fuzzy inside but it’s an error and futile gesture. The same foreign places where ignorance goes on you’re referring to aren’t going to change because of this and it changes barely anything here. Ask a black teenager in the future and find out. Edited by Rudi Hedman (18 Dec 2020 5.30pm) Your opinion. You are entitled to it. The players are entitled to theirs. They won't intervene at your home by booing outside. Just pay them the same respect. That's all this is about. Not whether people agree with the act or not. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 18 Dec 20 6.18pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Edited by Rudi Hedman (18 Dec 2020 5.30pm)

Your opinion. You are entitled to it. The players are entitled to theirs. They won't intervene at your home by booing outside. Just pay them the same respect.

That's all this is about. Not whether people agree with the act or not.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Dec 20 6.21pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle If it’s not our business then how are we supposed to help the situation? Don't get involved, unless you wish to offer support. You aren't the target. It's the millions of watchers around the world who are and whose awareness they are trying to boost. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 18 Dec 20 6.21pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

If it’s not our business then how are we supposed to help the situation?

Don't get involved, unless you wish to offer support. You aren't the target. It's the millions of watchers around the world who are and whose awareness they are trying to boost.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Teddy Eagle 18 Dec 20 7.21pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Don't get involved, unless you wish to offer support. You aren't the target. It's the millions of watchers around the world who are and whose awareness they are trying to boost. That still doesn’t address any outcome. Boost awareness? OK, job done. The issue that’s been identified is that there is “systemic racism” so how is that to be addressed?

Teddy Eagle

18 Dec 20 7.21pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Don't get involved, unless you wish to offer support. You aren't the target. It's the millions of watchers around the world who are and whose awareness they are trying to boost.

That still doesn’t address any outcome. Boost awareness? OK, job done. The issue that’s been identified is that there is “systemic racism” so how is that to be addressed?

Teddy Eagle 18 Dec 20 7.26pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle OMG! NOT the POLITICAL movement. That has specifically and comprehensively been denied by the players and the FA. The movement they mean is that of the awareness that something now needed to be done which started in the USA. This is an extract from that article. Politics isn't mentioned:- "The BLM movement and taking a knee has grown in prominence in the United Kingdom following the death of George Floyd in the US in May, which sparked protests around the world." Colin Kaepernick started it. This is just a continuation. No politics involved. Your God notwithstanding the letters BLM were on the players shirts and on banners around the ground. Claiming to support the aims of the organisation but not the organisation itself is like saying you just like the smell of cocaine.

Teddy Eagle

18 Dec 20 7.26pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

OMG!

"The BLM movement and taking a knee has grown in prominence in the United Kingdom following the death of George Floyd in the US in May, which sparked protests around the world."

Colin Kaepernick started it. This is just a continuation. No politics involved.

Your God notwithstanding the letters BLM were on the players shirts and on banners around the ground. Claiming to support the aims of the organisation but not the organisation itself is like saying you just like the smell of cocaine.

Rudi Hedman Caterham 18 Dec 20 7.27pm
At the start of a BLM thread I’m pretty sure I asked it’s imperative to know what it is they want. I see nobody (in football) is any the wiser. Why am I not surprised? I’m now reading it’s to show the world viewers. Show them what? How is it going to change the views of people in the Far East for example? It isn’t, just as our society hasn’t influenced East European racists. I’ve said before, the 2 things I’d change pretty quickly would be 1) making the penal system and custodial sentences fairer. 2) changing history taught in the school curriculum. Far too much time is no doubt spent on history that has little relevance to now and people today anyway. Just fast track those bits. But do not give white children guilt complexes. The British empire is more complex than how the usual idiots are trying to rewrite it and most people then weren’t responsible for the bad parts so people today shouldn’t be either. It would also educate the completely moronic people I read now and again spouting off hatred of the country they’re living in. England and Britain. Edited by Rudi Hedman (18 Dec 2020 8.27pm) COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 18 Dec 20 7.27pm

At the start of a BLM thread I’m pretty sure I asked it’s imperative to know what it is they want. I see nobody (in football) is any the wiser. Why am I not surprised? I’m now reading it’s to show the world viewers. Show them what? How is it going to change the views of people in the Far East for example? It isn’t, just as our society hasn’t influenced East European racists.

I’ve said before, the 2 things I’d change pretty quickly would be

1) making the penal system and custodial sentences fairer.

2) changing history taught in the school curriculum. Far too much time is no doubt spent on history that has little relevance to now and people today anyway. Just fast track those bits. But do not give white children guilt complexes. The British empire is more complex than how the usual idiots are trying to rewrite it and most people then weren’t responsible for the bad parts so people today shouldn’t be either. It would also educate the completely moronic people I read now and again spouting off hatred of the country they’re living in. England and Britain.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (18 Dec 2020 8.27pm)

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Stirlingsays 18 Dec 20 8.11pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Your God notwithstanding the letters BLM were on the players shirts and on banners around the ground. Claiming to support the aims of the organisation but not the organisation itself is like saying you just like the smell of cocaine. Succinctly put. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

18 Dec 20 8.11pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Succinctly put.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Dec 20 8.43pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Your God notwithstanding the letters BLM were on the players shirts and on banners around the ground. Claiming to support the aims of the organisation but not the organisation itself is like saying you just like the smell of cocaine. That is a completely separate issue. It is perfectly possible to argue that the choice of logo has been a bad mistake by who-ever was given the marketing job. It is not possible to argue that the players support the politics behind the BLM political organisation. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 18 Dec 20 8.43pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

That is a completely separate issue.

It is perfectly possible to argue that the choice of logo has been a bad mistake by who-ever was given the marketing job.

It is not possible to argue that the players support the politics behind the BLM political organisation.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Mapletree Croydon 18 Dec 20 9.04pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays That's discrimination. Why do you have to be in a minority? Unfair discrimination doesn't need a qualifier.....and we had DanH on here admitting and supporting discrimination based on race for jobs where he saw fit....and none of you lefties made a peep. BLM and all the rest of them are shakedown organizations for a 'diversity industry' who are only interested in money and power and will BS and lie till the cows come home. I remember putting the 'diversity job' adverts on here a few months back....organizations like the NHS giving jobs for 'diversity' while real workers are being laid off all round the country. People like you and Ali G...err sorry I mean DanH attacked me for it....apparently if you don't support the 'diversity industry' you're not nice....or some simple minded crap like that. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Dec 2020 4.44pm) Are you really so thick as to not understand why being in a minority puts you in a less powerful situation than being in a majority group? Maybe that explains why you supported Brexit. Because the small guy holds all the power eh?

Mapletree

Croydon 18 Dec 20 9.04pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

That's discrimination.

BLM and all the rest of them are shakedown organizations for a 'diversity industry' who are only interested in money and power and will BS and lie till the cows come home.

I remember putting the 'diversity job' adverts on here a few months back....organizations like the NHS giving jobs for 'diversity' while real workers are being laid off all round the country.

People like you and Ali G...err sorry I mean DanH attacked me for it....apparently if you don't support the 'diversity industry' you're not nice....or some simple minded crap like that.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Dec 2020 4.44pm)

Are you really so thick as to not understand why being in a minority puts you in a less powerful situation than being in a majority group?

Maybe that explains why you supported Brexit. Because the small guy holds all the power eh?

Mapletree Croydon 18 Dec 20 9.09pm
Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle Great, what are BLM suggesting should be done re black gangs stabbing white kids or Asians gang raping white school kids? Probably not a lot I’m guessing. The overall theme was don't get in trouble, work hard, study and improve yourself, gain support and give support, look after everyone and grasp your opportunities. Funnily enough they didn't talk much about don't go round stabbing up or raping people, maybe because the park was full of small kids and their parents listening to the speakers. And maybe because the message is one of hope not hatred. Was I really the only one to 'hear' their message? Anyway, get used to it. It's big with young people so they tell me.

Mapletree

Croydon 18 Dec 20 9.09pm

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

Great, what are BLM suggesting should be done re black gangs stabbing white kids or Asians gang raping white school kids?

Probably not a lot I’m guessing.

The overall theme was don't get in trouble, work hard, study and improve yourself, gain support and give support, look after everyone and grasp your opportunities.

Funnily enough they didn't talk much about don't go round stabbing up or raping people, maybe because the park was full of small kids and their parents listening to the speakers. And maybe because the message is one of hope not hatred. Was I really the only one to 'hear' their message?

Anyway, get used to it. It's big with young people so they tell me.

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