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chelys Flag London 12 Jan 18 9.43pm

Originally posted by Mr_Gristle

Appreciate your measured response Stirling.

The US could be so much more than it has now become. It's pretty much become the type of haughty, warmongering and even fascist (at a state level, if you use the dictionary definitions of fascist) power that it joined in two world wars against.

If we were to start looking at how it (under Republican governments especially) actively pursues policies aimed at screwing over its own citizens for the further enrichment of the very, very rich, I may not get around to opening the bottle of Westvleteren 12 that's waiting for me in the kitchen. I would have something to be really cross with Trump about then!

Have a good weekend.

Edited by Mr_Gristle (12 Jan 2018 9.28pm)

The USA fascist! What makes them fascist?

 

Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 12 Jan 18 9.43pm

The US meddling was good... Pablo Escobar!

 

Mr_Gristle Flag In the land of Whelk Eaters 12 Jan 18 11.31pm

Originally posted by chelys

The USA fascist! What makes them fascist?

Fair enough Chelys - too sweeping a statement from me. However, let me list some core aspects of what the US currently is and see if you can spot any fascist parallels:

National rebirth through projection of power
Glorification of national symbols
Glorification of the armed forces
Positive views of violence
Scapegoating of "inferior" races
Populist nationalism
Mass surveillance of the population

You're right - calling the US a fascist state is OTT. However, everything I've listed just there is current and happening there now. Any country that compels all it's children to pledge allegiance to the state every weekday and has intelligence agency advisors (and money) embedded in its film industry doesn't sound like my idea of a free democracy.

Your mileage, of course, may vary.

 


Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)

chelys Flag London 13 Jan 18 8.52am

Originally posted by Mr_Gristle

Fair enough Chelys - too sweeping a statement from me. However, let me list some core aspects of what the US currently is and see if you can spot any fascist parallels:

National rebirth through projection of power
Glorification of national symbols
Glorification of the armed forces
Positive views of violence
Scapegoating of "inferior" races
Populist nationalism
Mass surveillance of the population

You're right - calling the US a fascist state is OTT. However, everything I've listed just there is current and happening there now. Any country that compels all it's children to pledge allegiance to the state every weekday and has intelligence agency advisors (and money) embedded in its film industry doesn't sound like my idea of a free democracy.

Your mileage, of course, may vary.

You could more or less apply your list to say South Africa - are they fascists too? By the way, can't see anything wrong with respect for national symbols or our armed forces.

 

Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 13 Jan 18 2.04pm

Originally posted by Mr_Gristle

Fair enough Chelys - too sweeping a statement from me. However, let me list some core aspects of what the US currently is and see if you can spot any fascist parallels:

National rebirth through projection of power
Glorification of national symbols
Glorification of the armed forces
Positive views of violence
Scapegoating of "inferior" races
Populist nationalism
Mass surveillance of the population

You're right - calling the US a fascist state is OTT. However, everything I've listed just there is current and happening there now. Any country that compels all it's children to pledge allegiance to the state every weekday and has intelligence agency advisors (and money) embedded in its film industry doesn't sound like my idea of a free democracy.

Your mileage, of course, may vary.

There are probably 200 countries worse than the US in the world (most people from there would want to live in the States). Applying your logic, there would be no UK visits from any world leader at all.

 

DanH Flag SW2 14 Jan 18 1.23pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

There are probably 200 countries worse than the US in the world (most people from there would want to live in the States). Applying your logic, there would be no UK visits from any world leader at all.

There aren’t even 200 countries in the world mate.

 

Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 14 Jan 18 3.01pm

Originally posted by DanH

There aren’t even 200 countries in the world mate.

Thanks for picking me up on that Dan. I'm glad you're back posting more.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 14 Jan 18 4.12pm

Originally posted by DanH

There aren’t even 200 countries in the world mate.

195 actually. That wasn't a bad guess.
I think that could be called mild hyperbole.

 

kenbarr Flag Jackson Heights, Queens, New York ... 14 Jan 18 11.15pm

There are actually 193 member states of the United Nations. See:

[Link]

Then there are two "observers," Palestine and The Vatican. The UN considers the Republic of China (Taiwan) to be a province of the People's Republic of China by resolution of the General Assembly. Then you have "sporting" nations who are wither part of recognised nations or colonies/territories/commenwealths. See England, Wales, Scotland, Northern Island, Gibralter, Puerto Rico, U.S. Virgin Islands, American Samoa, Guam, etc. So, 200 may be a low figure depending on your definition of a country/nation. Also, let's not forget either Palace Nation or Red Sox Nation.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 14 Jan 18 11.24pm

Well, whatever the number of countries there are.......How many of them are sh**holes?

 


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Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 18 Jan 18 12.46pm

The winners of the 2017 Fake News Awards. Hilarious by Trump [Link]

 

DanH Flag SW2 18 Jan 18 12.49pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

The winners of the 2017 Fake News Awards. Hilarious by Trump [Link]

He is the king of deflection, for sure.

 

Oliver Flag Bodega Bay 18 Jan 18 1.43pm

Trump's lies

[Link]

 


I have prepared one of my own time capsules. I have placed some rather large samples of dynamite, gunpowder and nitroglycerin. My time capsule is set to go off in the year 3000. It will show them what we are really like.

kenbarr Flag Jackson Heights, Queens, New York ... 18 Jan 18 1.46pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

The winners of the 2017 Fake News Awards. Hilarious by Trump [Link]

What's "hilarious" is that with the exception of Brian Ross, who ABC suspended, every one of these awards are fake. Once again Trump is trying to pull a very transparent con. Penge, you know you're my Palace homie but Trump is taking your mickey.

Edited by kenbarr (18 Jan 2018 2.06pm)

 


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topcat Flag Holmesdale / Surbiton 18 Jan 18 2.41pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

The winners of the 2017 Fake News Awards. Hilarious by Trump [Link]



Quite happy for news outlets to be outed for getting things wrong, more often than not the correction and apology is minuscule compared to the original error.

What Trump and the GOP are doing is trying to bully the news into not reporting anything against Trump.

 


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kenbarr Flag Jackson Heights, Queens, New York ... 18 Jan 18 4.02pm

This just in, Trump undercuts Congressional GOP by opposing CHIP funding in latest CR. Donald J Trump. ... Staaaaable Geeeeeeenius. PS, the Dems were ready to support it in exchange for DACA legislation next since Trump contradicted CoS Kelly and still demands funding for his wall in exchange for DACA

 


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Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 18 Jan 18 5.27pm

Originally posted by topcat

Quite happy for news outlets to be outed for getting things wrong, more often than not the correction and apology is minuscule compared to the original error.

What Trump and the GOP are doing is trying to bully the news into not reporting anything against Trump.

I would say the likes of CNN and MSNBC have actually stepped up their anti-Trump agenda in the face of this.

I think Trump and the GOP are right to call out bad journalism. Some of the stories have been shocking. The general public is also losing trust in the credibility of mainstream media – and a lot of polls indicate this.

Edited by Penge Eagle (18 Jan 2018 5.28pm)

 

Stirlingsays Flag 18 Jan 18 5.57pm

Indeed, before Trump I wasn't as aware of the extent of the lying and half truths the mainstream media are willing to reach for....not the scale anyway.

Don't get me wrong, it's on both the left and right.....and true objectivity is probably a myth....however, media institutions get far too much respect from the left still.....as long as they are anti Trump....they don't really care about the lying and hyperbole.....like Fox News before them with Obama.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jan 2018 5.58pm)

 


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kenbarr Flag Jackson Heights, Queens, New York ... 18 Jan 18 6.15pm

Seriously, the lack of editors, copy staff & researchers has meant standards have dropped overall. Whereas Woodward & Bernstein of Watergate fame wouldn't publish without 2 independent sources confirming anything they were told, especially from Deep Throat (Mark Felt of the FBI), today it's get it first, get it fast, get it now. Get it right, not so much. See Fox & CNN getting the SCOTUS Obamacare decision wrong, in CNN's case for a full ten minutes.

 


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Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 18 Jan 18 6.17pm

These studies show how negative/biased coverage Trump has had in the media.

The Media Research Center [Link]

Harvard [Link]

Pew Research Center [Link]

 

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