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Originally posted by Mr_Gristle
Appreciate your measured response Stirling. The US could be so much more than it has now become. It's pretty much become the type of haughty, warmongering and even fascist (at a state level, if you use the dictionary definitions of fascist) power that it joined in two world wars against. If we were to start looking at how it (under Republican governments especially) actively pursues policies aimed at screwing over its own citizens for the further enrichment of the very, very rich, I may not get around to opening the bottle of Westvleteren 12 that's waiting for me in the kitchen. I would have something to be really cross with Trump about then! Have a good weekend. Edited by Mr_Gristle (12 Jan 2018 9.28pm) The USA fascist! What makes them fascist?
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The US meddling was good... Pablo Escobar!
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Originally posted by chelys
The USA fascist! What makes them fascist? Fair enough Chelys - too sweeping a statement from me. However, let me list some core aspects of what the US currently is and see if you can spot any fascist parallels: National rebirth through projection of power You're right - calling the US a fascist state is OTT. However, everything I've listed just there is current and happening there now. Any country that compels all it's children to pledge allegiance to the state every weekday and has intelligence agency advisors (and money) embedded in its film industry doesn't sound like my idea of a free democracy. Your mileage, of course, may vary.
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Originally posted by Mr_Gristle
Fair enough Chelys - too sweeping a statement from me. However, let me list some core aspects of what the US currently is and see if you can spot any fascist parallels: National rebirth through projection of power You're right - calling the US a fascist state is OTT. However, everything I've listed just there is current and happening there now. Any country that compels all it's children to pledge allegiance to the state every weekday and has intelligence agency advisors (and money) embedded in its film industry doesn't sound like my idea of a free democracy. Your mileage, of course, may vary. You could more or less apply your list to say South Africa - are they fascists too? By the way, can't see anything wrong with respect for national symbols or our armed forces.
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Originally posted by Mr_Gristle
Fair enough Chelys - too sweeping a statement from me. However, let me list some core aspects of what the US currently is and see if you can spot any fascist parallels: National rebirth through projection of power You're right - calling the US a fascist state is OTT. However, everything I've listed just there is current and happening there now. Any country that compels all it's children to pledge allegiance to the state every weekday and has intelligence agency advisors (and money) embedded in its film industry doesn't sound like my idea of a free democracy. Your mileage, of course, may vary. There are probably 200 countries worse than the US in the world (most people from there would want to live in the States). Applying your logic, there would be no UK visits from any world leader at all.
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
There are probably 200 countries worse than the US in the world (most people from there would want to live in the States). Applying your logic, there would be no UK visits from any world leader at all. There aren’t even 200 countries in the world mate.
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Originally posted by DanH
There aren’t even 200 countries in the world mate. Thanks for picking me up on that Dan. I'm glad you're back posting more.
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Originally posted by DanH
There aren’t even 200 countries in the world mate. 195 actually. That wasn't a bad guess.
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The winners of the 2017 Fake News Awards. Hilarious by Trump
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
The winners of the 2017 Fake News Awards. Hilarious by Trump He is the king of deflection, for sure.
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
The winners of the 2017 Fake News Awards. Hilarious by Trump What's "hilarious" is that with the exception of Brian Ross, who ABC suspended, every one of these awards are fake. Once again Trump is trying to pull a very transparent con. Penge, you know you're my Palace homie but Trump is taking your mickey. Edited by kenbarr (18 Jan 2018 2.06pm)
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
The winners of the 2017 Fake News Awards. Hilarious by Trump
What Trump and the GOP are doing is trying to bully the news into not reporting anything against Trump.
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Originally posted by topcat
Quite happy for news outlets to be outed for getting things wrong, more often than not the correction and apology is minuscule compared to the original error. What Trump and the GOP are doing is trying to bully the news into not reporting anything against Trump. I would say the likes of CNN and MSNBC have actually stepped up their anti-Trump agenda in the face of this. I think Trump and the GOP are right to call out bad journalism. Some of the stories have been shocking. The general public is also losing trust in the credibility of mainstream media – and a lot of polls indicate this. Edited by Penge Eagle (18 Jan 2018 5.28pm)
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These studies show how negative/biased coverage Trump has had in the media. The Media Research Center [Link] Harvard [Link] Pew Research Center [Link]
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