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npn Flag Crowborough 13 Sep 18 12.18pm

Can I just say i like Raab : been in the job 5 minutes and seems far more effective than Davis. Answers questions well, is clear on where he stands, and I get the impression the talks are already far more productive. Radio 4 this morning tried to convince him the comments about the divorce payment being null and void in the event of a no deal were handled well, without typical politician speak, he just corrected the interviewer and explained that has always been the case ( "nothing is agreed until everything's agreed"

Doesn't mean i think it will be a success, but I'm far more confident now than I was before

 

Stirlingsays Flag 13 Sep 18 12.43pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Hungary is totally incompatible with the EU and they should divorce.


Lots of countries now have sizable proportions of their populations who want a divorce from the EU.

I'm curious to see what the reaction will be when it dawns on the normies what the EU has done to their Internet when the changes happen late next spring.


Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Sep 2018 12.45pm)

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 13 Sep 18 1.02pm

Definitely not, the EU is on the 'up'.

Big recent advances in trade and the world's most coveted market.

'Junckers calls on the EU to become a major sovereign power'.

That's new and reflects the strength of the EU, more so after we are no longer there to frustrate any progress.

Enjoy your food shortages UK, you brought it all on yourselves.

It is nowhere near as bad as the EU feared, like all divorces there comes a point where you are actually better off without them.


 

Badger11 Flag Beckenham 13 Sep 18 3.38pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Definitely not, the EU is on the 'up'.

Big recent advances in trade and the world's most coveted market.

'Junckers calls on the EU to become a major sovereign power'.

That's new and reflects the strength of the EU, more so after we are no longer there to frustrate any progress.

Enjoy your food shortages UK, you brought it all on yourselves.

It is nowhere near as bad as the EU feared, like all divorces there comes a point where you are actually better off without them.


And that's why I voted for Brexit.

I expect the EU to become a nation in my lifetime. I don't know how many former countries it will contain but it will happen.

 


One more point

Stirlingsays Flag 13 Sep 18 3.46pm

Originally posted by Badger11

And that's why I voted for Brexit.

I expect the EU to become a nation in my lifetime. I don't know how many former countries it will contain but it will happen.


It will have to repress people to do it......but as we have already found out in Spain, it supports that anyway.

 


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davenotamonkey Flag 13 Sep 18 3.56pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Mobile phone roaming charges are supposed to have stopped in the EU.

Today we are hearing from Raab, so we know it is not true, that this will continue after brexit.

Well I have news for him, roaming charges are still payable depending who you are with.

In my case with very low usage I will continue to pay roaming charges (giffgaff).

Oh noes! That's my 3 "Feel at home" contract rekt - I won't be able to enjoy "EU roaming" in:

the USA (EU member)
Sri Lanka (EU member)
Switzerland (EU member)
Indonesia (EU member)
Australia (EU member)
Chile (EU member)

...I could go on. It will get boring. I will miss Three though.

Oh, wait.

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 13 Sep 18 4.20pm

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

Oh noes! That's my 3 "Feel at home" contract rekt - I won't be able to enjoy "EU roaming" in:

the USA (EU member)
Sri Lanka (EU member)
Switzerland (EU member)
Indonesia (EU member)
Australia (EU member)
Chile (EU member)

...I could go on. It will get boring. I will miss Three though.

Oh, wait.

It's not cool with me dear 3.

Not only did I find 3 expensive over-hyped riddled with complications, it also f****d up my phone as well !

Never mind roaming you would be better of legging it than using them.



 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 13 Sep 18 5.49pm

I am reading with some mirth that 'no deal' could mean the end of Eurostar.

Just another day in leave banana land.

Of course you should book early for the last train to the continent, otherwise you will never get a ticket.

Why?

The train would already be packed with brexiteers rushing to leave the UK.!!!!!

To join their mates who will have already got out by then.

 

Badger11 Flag Beckenham 13 Sep 18 6.11pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

I am reading with some mirth that 'no deal' could mean the end of Eurostar.

Just another day in leave banana land.

Of course you should book early for the last train to the continent, otherwise you will never get a ticket.

Why?

The train would already be packed with brexiteers rushing to leave the UK.!!!!!

To join their mates who will have already got out by then.

Wouldn't that be wonderful!

On a more serious note these scare stories will only happen if the EU enforces them. The day after Brexit neither the UK or EU "have" to do anything. If they choose to stop the planes flying, impose roaming charges, order Ex pat British citizens to leave the EU then that is a political decision. You would then have to ask the question why would anyone British person want to remain part of an organisation that bullies people if it doesn't get it's way?

I don't actually believe the EU will do anything of the kind. Deal or no deal common sense and self interest will prevail. The planes will still fly other wise those countries that rely on British tourists will be facing an economic meltdown.

No deal my not be perfect but both sides will make it work for the big things that matters.

 


One more point

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 13 Sep 18 6.17pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Wouldn't that be wonderful!

On a more serious note these scare stories will only happen if the EU enforces them. The day after Brexit neither the UK or EU "have" to do anything. If they choose to stop the planes flying, impose roaming charges, order Ex pat British citizens to leave the EU then that is a political decision. You would then have to ask the question why would anyone British person want to remain part of an organisation that bullies people if it doesn't get it's way?

I don't actually believe the EU will do anything of the kind. Deal or no deal common sense and self interest will prevail. The planes will still fly other wise those countries that rely on British tourists will be facing an economic meltdown.

No deal my not be perfect but both sides will make it work for the big things that matters.

We wouldn't have all this cobblers though would we, if we simply do not have brexit.

Pick up the phone PM and end it.

She would win an election after IMO people don't want another 10 years of this, it's wearisome.

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 13 Sep 18 7.34pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


Lots of countries now have sizable proportions of their populations who want a divorce from the EU.

I'm curious to see what the reaction will be when it dawns on the normies what the EU has done to their Internet when the changes happen late next spring.


Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Sep 2018 12.45pm)

The internet will be fine, once google and facebook realise that my posts here are my intellectual property and must not be displayed without my permission.

If they wish to wish to use my posts as links snippets I require a postal order of 50p per post.


 

davenotamonkey Flag 14 Sep 18 10.18pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

We wouldn't have all this cobblers though would we, if we simply do not have brexit.

Pick up the phone PM and end it.

She would win an election after IMO people don't want another 10 years of this, it's wearisome.

Indeed. The mountain of scaremongering bulls*** whipped up by the MSM and mindlessly regurgitated on here is... wearisome.

You're welcome to stop anytime you like. I've genuinely stopped challenging and engaging with the FBPE cultists that endlessly propagate this crap.

Not because they are right, but because it's futile. They will believe what they want to believe. It's going to hurt them so much when they discover that, unsurpisingly, very little of it comes to pass. It's almost like there is a whole world out there beyond those leaky EU enforced external "borders".

 

Badger11 Flag Beckenham 16 Sep 18 9.17am

Been listening to LBC this morning, Mayor Khan is now asking for a 2nd referendum.

Here's a thought, Remainers quite rightly are criticising the government for their negotiations and for JRM and his group for not detailing their alternate plan, fair enough.

However no one is asking the Remainers what their plan is. As far as the EU is concerned we have left by giving notice. I am not aware that the EU has offered to let us stay on the same terms. In other words if we changed our mind there would be a negotiation on the UK re-joining the EU. This might include us having to join the euro losing the rebate etc.

In fact we should stop referring to them as Remainers and actually call them Joiners instead as this is the situation we now face.

Anyway I would hope that the Brexiters start to challenge "The People's Vote" etc. to explain what they think would happen if we changed our mind. At the very least the Joiners should be asking the EU for a statement on what they think would happen if we did change our mind.

Personally I want the government to get on with it using Canada as a role model something the EU has actually offered us. Mrs May is driving me up the wall


 


One more point

chris123 Flag hove actually 16 Sep 18 9.24am

Originally posted by Badger11

Been listening to LBC this morning, Mayor Khan is now asking for a 2nd referendum.

Here's a thought, Remainers quite rightly are criticising the government for their negotiations and for JRM and his group for not detailing their alternate plan, fair enough.

However no one is asking the Remainers what their plan is. As far as the EU is concerned we have left by giving notice. I am not aware that the EU has offered to let us stay on the same terms. In other words if we changed our mind there would be a negotiation on the UK re-joining the EU. This might include us having to join the euro losing the rebate etc.

In fact we should stop referring to them as Remainers and actually call them Joiners instead as this is the situation we now face.

Anyway I would hope that the Brexiters start to challenge "The People's Vote" etc. to explain what they think would happen if we changed our mind. At the very least the Joiners should be asking the EU for a statement on what they think would happen if we did change our mind.

Personally I want the government to get on with it using Canada as a role model something the EU has actually offered us. Mrs May is driving me up the wall


In just over 6 months we'll be out and it'll all be over.

 

croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 16 Sep 18 3.49pm

Originally posted by chris123

In just over 6 months we'll be out and it'll all be over.

And we will have lots of extra lolly in our pockets, can"t wait!

 

PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 16 Sep 18 4.16pm

Originally posted by chris123

In just over 6 months we'll be out and it'll all be over.

either we are out and in the clear. Fine and Dandy. An advert to other countries to vote their way out of the nasty autocracy of Brussels.

or

Brussels gets nasty, tries to 'make an example' of the UK and things get ugly.

 


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leifandersonshair Flag Newport 16 Sep 18 7.07pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Been listening to LBC this morning, Mayor Khan is now asking for a 2nd referendum.

Here's a thought, Remainers quite rightly are criticising the government for their negotiations and for JRM and his group for not detailing their alternate plan, fair enough.

However no one is asking the Remainers what their plan is. As far as the EU is concerned we have left by giving notice. I am not aware that the EU has offered to let us stay on the same terms. In other words if we changed our mind there would be a negotiation on the UK re-joining the EU. This might include us having to join the euro losing the rebate etc.

In fact we should stop referring to them as Remainers and actually call them Joiners instead as this is the situation we now face.

Anyway I would hope that the Brexiters start to challenge "The People's Vote" etc. to explain what they think would happen if we changed our mind. At the very least the Joiners should be asking the EU for a statement on what they think would happen if we did change our mind.

Personally I want the government to get on with it using Canada as a role model something the EU has actually offered us. Mrs May is driving me up the wall


Actually, there are varying opinions on Article 50 and whether it can be reversed. Some have even suggested that at any point, right up to March 2019, the UK could simply say to the EU, "Nope, changed our minds" and our membership of the EU continues unchanged.

Article 50 is effectively notice to leave (similar to handing in your notice at work, then changing your mind in the notice period and opting to stay- and about as legally murky).

Regardless, May and her government appears incapable of negotiating the way out of a paper bag. Suspect we'll have a last minute, cobbled together deal to avoid the 'cliff edge' apocalypse of 'No Deal'. Still, despite the hard Brexiteers BS rhetoric, even the worst of bad deals is still actually better than no deal.

Regardless, May will be out within a month of Brexit anyway. Either toppled by her own hardliners, or due to the precarious position of her government.

 

Dannyh.V2 Flag Stone lickers 17 Sep 18 3.33pm

Originally posted by leifandersonshair

Actually, there are varying opinions on Article 50 and whether it can be reversed. Some have even suggested that at any point, right up to March 2019, the UK could simply say to the EU, "Nope, changed our minds" and our membership of the EU continues unchanged.

Article 50 is effectively notice to leave (similar to handing in your notice at work, then changing your mind in the notice period and opting to stay- and about as legally murky).

Regardless, May and her government appears incapable of negotiating the way out of a paper bag. Suspect we'll have a last minute, cobbled together deal to avoid the 'cliff edge' apocalypse of 'No Deal'. Still, despite the hard Brexiteers BS rhetoric, even the worst of bad deals is still actually better than no deal.

Regardless, May will be out within a month of Brexit anyway. Either toppled by her own hardliners, or due to the precarious position of her government.

These remain types not dramatic at all are they ? very level headed bunch

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 17 Sep 18 7.29pm

All that is needed to end brexit is to call the other leaders and tell them we are not continuing.

A diplomatic form of words to follow, our position with veto retained.

Incredibly, this is still possible.

The end of wearisome brexit, its recklessness, total lack of any regard for the countries actual, not imagined, future.

A boom in the UK to follow as the uncertainties are gone, a clear-out of the older generation from the conservative party, an election win for Mrs May IMO.

Well I can't have it all..........

 

leifandersonshair Flag Newport 18 Sep 18 6.59pm

Originally posted by Dannyh.V2

These remain types not dramatic at all are they ? very level headed bunch

Not like those level headed Brexiteers, of course, with their hoarse screams of 'treason!' and 'traitor!' whenever anyone suggests anything short of blocking up the Channel Tunnel

 

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