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hedgehog50 Croydon 31 Mar 17 5.47pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 You gotta feel sorry the whole UK, for The Remainers, for the naive Brexiteers but I am gonna love it, real love it, when the 'Hard' lot see their impossibly stupid, ruinous 'dreams' ebb away with each passing resolution and made to look even more like losers and irrational t1ts. Which I thought was impossible tbf. You guys are just like Old Testament prophets (though not as accurate), even though St. Tony Benn wanted us to leave the EU, along with that other hard right xenophobe, Dennis Skinner. Edited by hedgehog50 (31 Mar 2017 5.49pm) We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 31 Mar 17 5.47pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

You gotta feel sorry the whole UK, for The Remainers, for the naive Brexiteers but I am gonna love it, real love it, when the 'Hard' lot see their impossibly stupid, ruinous 'dreams' ebb away with each passing resolution and made to look even more like losers and irrational t1ts.

Which I thought was impossible tbf.

You guys are just like Old Testament prophets (though not as accurate), even though St. Tony Benn wanted us to leave the EU, along with that other hard right xenophobe, Dennis Skinner.

Edited by hedgehog50 (31 Mar 2017 5.49pm)

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Hrolf The Ganger 31 Mar 17 5.49pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 If I was happy about it/wanted it I would've voted 'Brexit' as that imo would be the quickest route to ruination. Use your noggin, man. It's the Hard Right/Hard Brexiteers that don't mind us wrecking ourselves just as long as we aren't in the EU. The Opposite of Patriotism. The fact you are not 'remotely worried' merely smacks of smugness. Edited by Kermit8 (31 Mar 2017 4.56pm) No. You voted against it and now you want to be proved right and say I told you so. Pitiful man. The consequences of leaving the EU won't be measured over days, weeks or even a few years. Only a fool would think otherwise. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (31 Mar 2017 5.50pm)
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Originally posted by Kermit8

If I was happy about it/wanted it I would've voted 'Brexit' as that imo would be the quickest route to ruination. Use your noggin, man.

It's the Hard Right/Hard Brexiteers that don't mind us wrecking ourselves just as long as we aren't in the EU. The Opposite of Patriotism.

The fact you are not 'remotely worried' merely smacks of smugness.

Edited by Kermit8 (31 Mar 2017 4.56pm)

No. You voted against it and now you want to be proved right and say I told you so.

Pitiful man. The consequences of leaving the EU won't be measured over days, weeks or even a few years. Only a fool would think otherwise.

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davenotamonkey 31 Mar 17 5.58pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Appears we are incorporating all EU Law into The Great Repeal Bill. Oh, and non-EU migration (them pesky muslims) that won't be stopping anytime soon either. Vive la dampest of damp squibs Revolution. But it's great though, isn't it? That sense of..er...um....je ne sais quoi. Just bloody fantastic. And of course there will be pain before...er..er....what was the gain again? NHS - that was it. Marvellous. All that dosh. Edited by Kermit8 (30 Mar 2017 10.52am) Are you thick? What do you want? Just repeal all the EU regulations (NB: those were the ones that our parliament didn't even vote on - straight onto the books with not even a mention in the commons), directives and SIs? Do you know what that would do? No, you simpleton. This is exactly how you do it, and exactly how it was proposed. Transpose existing EU law into UK law, and repeal/replace. Tell me, what was the alternative? After all, it's hardly any legislation at all, right? That's what you lot told us. Should be a piece of cake.
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Originally posted by Kermit8

Appears we are incorporating all EU Law into The Great Repeal Bill.

Oh, and non-EU migration (them pesky muslims) that won't be stopping anytime soon either.

Vive la dampest of damp squibs Revolution.

But it's great though, isn't it? That sense of..er...um....je ne sais quoi.

Just bloody fantastic.

And of course there will be pain before...er..er....what was the gain again?

NHS - that was it. Marvellous. All that dosh.

Edited by Kermit8 (30 Mar 2017 10.52am)

Are you thick? What do you want? Just repeal all the EU regulations (NB: those were the ones that our parliament didn't even vote on - straight onto the books with not even a mention in the commons), directives and SIs? Do you know what that would do?

No, you simpleton. This is exactly how you do it, and exactly how it was proposed. Transpose existing EU law into UK law, and repeal/replace.

Tell me, what was the alternative? After all, it's hardly any legislation at all, right? That's what you lot told us. Should be a piece of cake.

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davenotamonkey 31 Mar 17 6.10pm
Originally posted by Bert the Head I don't think you understand - and am not surprised that you don't - but nothing has started at all until yesterday. Up till now we have had nine months of nothing but chest puffing and a falling pound. I hope it works out since, unlike the owners of the Daily Mail, Daily Telegraph and the Sun, I live here. But I am not confident. I just hope the Brexiters are right and the people who voted remain like me are wrong. Otherwise its another press supported error of judgement - like the Iraq war but one that actually hurts us instead of the civilians of Iraq...and Syria and Libya. Maybe we have it coming. Go and read the treasury report on what would happen upon "a vote to leave". That (the remainiacs argued) was on the basis of triggering A50 immediately. So, now it's been triggered (as are all the remainiacs, it seems). When is the £4300 coming out of my account? When are the house prices dropping? Right now, the FTSE has never been higher, and today Siemens was just the latest in a long line of Brexit u-turns that are now sheepishly eating their referendum-campaign words. This was not the Press' doing - it was a highly partisan government pressuring both companies, governments (see Australia as the latest) and NGOs to scare us into remaining in the EU. They did this through taxpayer-funded mailshots, dodgy Treasury dossiers and trips from US presidents that then have the nerve to wail at suggestions their democratic process was interfered with by another country. I hope we don't fail. I want this country to do well. I'm under no illusions it will be tough. It will be tough when the real EU fallout starts, and my hope is that we will be somewhat more insulated from it than we are. Particularly if we can diversify our trade arrangements and rely less on the EU. I think long-term, this will be one of the best things that ever happen to us, I sincerely believe that, and I base it on the considerable reading around of the subject, rather than just a gut feeling. I'm sure you don't want our country to fail, but it just amazes me how many on here are desperate for the UK to burn, so they can triumphantly say "I told you so". Sad.
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31 Mar 17 6.10pm

Originally posted by Bert the Head

I don't think you understand - and am not surprised that you don't - but nothing has started at all until yesterday. Up till now we have had nine months of nothing but chest puffing and a falling pound.

I hope it works out since, unlike the owners of the Daily Mail, Daily Telegraph and the Sun, I live here.

But I am not confident. I just hope the Brexiters are right and the people who voted remain like me are wrong.

Otherwise its another press supported error of judgement - like the Iraq war but one that actually hurts us instead of the civilians of Iraq...and Syria and Libya.

Maybe we have it coming.

Go and read the treasury report on what would happen upon "a vote to leave". That (the remainiacs argued) was on the basis of triggering A50 immediately. So, now it's been triggered (as are all the remainiacs, it seems). When is the £4300 coming out of my account? When are the house prices dropping?

Right now, the FTSE has never been higher, and today Siemens was just the latest in a long line of Brexit u-turns that are now sheepishly eating their referendum-campaign words.

This was not the Press' doing - it was a highly partisan government pressuring both companies, governments (see Australia as the latest) and NGOs to scare us into remaining in the EU. They did this through taxpayer-funded mailshots, dodgy Treasury dossiers and trips from US presidents that then have the nerve to wail at suggestions their democratic process was interfered with by another country.

I hope we don't fail. I want this country to do well. I'm under no illusions it will be tough. It will be tough when the real EU fallout starts, and my hope is that we will be somewhat more insulated from it than we are. Particularly if we can diversify our trade arrangements and rely less on the EU. I think long-term, this will be one of the best things that ever happen to us, I sincerely believe that, and I base it on the considerable reading around of the subject, rather than just a gut feeling.

I'm sure you don't want our country to fail, but it just amazes me how many on here are desperate for the UK to burn, so they can triumphantly say "I told you so". Sad.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 31 Mar 17 6.15pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Haven't you heard about the coming computer automation Nick? It's already in place in a minor way. If a lot of old people crashes the economy then why is Japan richer than us with a higher standard of living? Keep drinking the economic kool aid. Edited by Stirlingsays (31 Mar 2017 5.38pm) All I did was ask a question! What's with the insult?
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Haven't you heard about the coming computer automation Nick? It's already in place in a minor way.

If a lot of old people crashes the economy then why is Japan richer than us with a higher standard of living?

Keep drinking the economic kool aid.

Edited by Stirlingsays (31 Mar 2017 5.38pm)

All I did was ask a question! What's with the insult?

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davenotamonkey 31 Mar 17 6.18pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Davis has said immigration won't go down. No reaction yet from Brexiters. Why? If we don't like it, we'll be free to vote for a party that will implement it - correct?
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31 Mar 17 6.18pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Davis has said immigration won't go down. No reaction yet from Brexiters. Why?

If we don't like it, we'll be free to vote for a party that will implement it - correct?

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.TUX. 31 Mar 17 6.22pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Haven't you heard about the coming computer automation Nick? It's already in place in a minor way. If a lot of old people crashes the economy then why is Japan richer than us with a higher standard of living? Keep drinking the economic kool aid. Edited by Stirlingsays (31 Mar 2017 5.38pm) Our debt to GDP ratio is in the region of 90%. Japan is currently around 250%(!) and for many years now the Bank of Japan and the Government Pension Investment Fund (GPIF) have been buying stocks to inflate the market, create some kind of 'wealth effect' and bamboozle regular Japanese into pouring once again into stocks. As with many other countries who still believe they can keep borrowing/printing money (from thin air) their way out of trouble, the chickens will eventually come home to roost (and it won't be pretty). Buy Litecoin.
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31 Mar 17 6.22pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Haven't you heard about the coming computer automation Nick? It's already in place in a minor way.

If a lot of old people crashes the economy then why is Japan richer than us with a higher standard of living?

Keep drinking the economic kool aid.

Edited by Stirlingsays (31 Mar 2017 5.38pm)

Our debt to GDP ratio is in the region of 90%. Japan is currently around 250%(!) and for many years now the Bank of Japan and the Government Pension Investment Fund (GPIF) have been buying stocks to inflate the market, create some kind of 'wealth effect' and bamboozle regular Japanese into pouring once again into stocks.
As with many other countries who still believe they can keep borrowing/printing money (from thin air) their way out of trouble, the chickens will eventually come home to roost (and it won't be pretty).

Buy Litecoin.

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.TUX. 31 Mar 17 6.24pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger No. You voted against it and now you want to be proved right and say I told you so. Pitiful man. The consequences of leaving the EU won't be measured over days, weeks or even a few years. Only a fool would think otherwise. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (31 Mar 2017 5.50pm) It's looking that way tbh 'Kerm'. Buy Litecoin.
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31 Mar 17 6.24pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

No. You voted against it and now you want to be proved right and say I told you so.

Pitiful man. The consequences of leaving the EU won't be measured over days, weeks or even a few years. Only a fool would think otherwise.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (31 Mar 2017 5.50pm)

It's looking that way tbh 'Kerm'.

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davenotamonkey 31 Mar 17 6.25pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 You gotta feel sorry the whole UK, for The Remainers, for the naive Brexiteers but I am gonna love it, real love it, when the 'Hard' lot see their impossibly stupid, ruinous 'dreams' ebb away with each passing resolution and made to look even more like losers and irrational t1ts. Which I thought was impossible tbf. Yes. Those dreams of silly things like setting our own tax rate. Of making our own laws. So stupid. Such ruinous. Irrational! I've come to the conclusion you are toxic, Kermit. You want nothing more than to see this country burn, to gain satisfaction that you were right. You will (mis)report each and every stumbling block on the way, in a pathetic bid to validate your narrow views. How every sad and petty you are.
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31 Mar 17 6.25pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Which I thought was impossible tbf.

Yes. Those dreams of silly things like setting our own tax rate. Of making our own laws. So stupid. Such ruinous. Irrational!

I've come to the conclusion you are toxic, Kermit. You want nothing more than to see this country burn, to gain satisfaction that you were right. You will (mis)report each and every stumbling block on the way, in a pathetic bid to validate your narrow views. How every sad and petty you are.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 31 Mar 17 6.38pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Isn't that itself extrapolating to a stupid degree? No one knows. No. Are you saying anyone who voted to leave so that immigration goes down won't be pished off about Davis's admission? I wouldn't call that extrapolating anything.
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Shizzlehurst 31 Mar 17 6.38pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Isn't that itself extrapolating to a stupid degree?
No one knows.

No. Are you saying anyone who voted to leave so that immigration goes down won't be pished off about Davis's admission? I wouldn't call that extrapolating anything.

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Stirlingsays 31 Mar 17 6.42pm
Originally posted by .TUX. Our debt to GDP ratio is in the region of 90%. Japan is currently around 250%(!) and for many years now the Bank of Japan and the Government Pension Investment Fund (GPIF) have been buying stocks to inflate the market, create some kind of 'wealth effect' and bamboozle regular Japanese into pouring once again into stocks. As with many other countries who still believe they can keep borrowing/printing money (from thin air) their way out of trouble, the chickens will eventually come home to roost (and it won't be pretty). Really? And what affect has this debt level had upon Japan? Their interest rates? And considering interest rates on debt is a reality for all economies that's the important actual aspect....The US for example are also massively in debt....But everyone wants to buy that US dollar bond. This situation has been the same for decades....Decades....The 2008 crash didn't even seriously affect them. T If the chickens come home to roast for the Japanese they will also come home to roast for every western economy. The fact that Japan didn't import massive numbers of foreigners and create large scale social division will make absolutely no difference at all. Edited by Stirlingsays (31 Mar 2017 7.35pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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31 Mar 17 6.42pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

Really?

And what affect has this debt level had upon Japan? Their interest rates? And considering interest rates on debt is a reality for all economies that's the important actual aspect....The US for example are also massively in debt....But everyone wants to buy that US dollar bond.

This situation has been the same for decades....Decades....The 2008 crash didn't even seriously affect them. T

If the chickens come home to roast for the Japanese they will also come home to roast for every western economy.

The fact that Japan didn't import massive numbers of foreigners and create large scale social division will make absolutely no difference at all.

Edited by Stirlingsays (31 Mar 2017 7.35pm)

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Stirlingsays 31 Mar 17 6.45pm
Originally posted by nickgusset No. Are you saying anyone who voted to leave so that immigration goes down won't be pished off about Davis's admission? I wouldn't call that extrapolating anything. Are you saying that Davis will be in power once we actually leave the EU and these realities start to bite....2018 onwards and the twenties beyond. Would you say that Davies would agree with how you are interpreting him? You are extrapolating and calling others stupid for doing the same. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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31 Mar 17 6.45pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

No. Are you saying anyone who voted to leave so that immigration goes down won't be pished off about Davis's admission? I wouldn't call that extrapolating anything.

Are you saying that Davis will be in power once we actually leave the EU and these realities start to bite....2018 onwards and the twenties beyond.

Would you say that Davies would agree with how you are interpreting him?

You are extrapolating and calling others stupid for doing the same.

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