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PalazioVecchio south pole 18 Sep 18 7.37pm
the Catholic Church offered Henry viii a 'no deal' theological Brexit. thank christ for that. It made the English language dominant across the planet. Lets go for 'no deal' and use the battleships to blockade all the French ports. See who blinks first. do the french have much history of surrendering ? how did they handle a few hundred Vikings in ships a while ago ? and at the same time lets forget the germans for occupying the Sudetenland. But sue them for occupying their towels on every deckchair on the Costa del Puke. Edited by PalazioVecchio (18 Sep 2018 10.40pm) Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

PalazioVecchio

south pole 18 Sep 18 7.37pm

the Catholic Church offered Henry viii a 'no deal' theological Brexit.

thank christ for that. It made the English language dominant across the planet.

Lets go for 'no deal' and use the battleships to blockade all the French ports. See who blinks first.

do the french have much history of surrendering ? how did they handle a few hundred Vikings in ships a while ago ?

and at the same time lets forget the germans for occupying the Sudetenland. But sue them for occupying their towels on every deckchair on the Costa del Puke.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (18 Sep 2018 10.40pm)

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

Badger11 Beckenham 19 Sep 18 9.21am
Interestingly the EU is now offering us a soft border in Ireland driven by technology. As many of us have been saying since this issue was raised it was never a problem and that was always the solution. I am still not happy with Mrs May Chequers solution but I am not dogmatic so will have to see the final deal before I make my mind up. The post Brexit immigration policy looks common sense but again I need to see the detail. The government is proposing that only workers earning 30k will be allowed in. How do you police that is my question. Edited by Badger11 (19 Sep 2018 9.21am) One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 19 Sep 18 9.21am

Interestingly the EU is now offering us a soft border in Ireland driven by technology. As many of us have been saying since this issue was raised it was never a problem and that was always the solution.

I am still not happy with Mrs May Chequers solution but I am not dogmatic so will have to see the final deal before I make my mind up.

The post Brexit immigration policy looks common sense but again I need to see the detail. The government is proposing that only workers earning 30k will be allowed in. How do you police that is my question.

Edited by Badger11 (19 Sep 2018 9.21am)

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dannyboy1978 19 Sep 18 10.15am
By looking at their tax return?

dannyboy1978

19 Sep 18 10.15am

By looking at their tax return?

Badger11 Beckenham 19 Sep 18 12.01pm
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 By looking at their tax return? You maybe right so what happens if the person is only earning minimum wage? And can they claim benefits whilst they are earning below the threshold? UK governments do not have a good record for deporting people so if we rely on tax returns we are closing the stable door after the horse has bolted. My solution would be to ban anyone from claiming benefits for 5 years. If Costa Packet want to pay minimum wage to their staff I don't see many migrants being able to afford to live on that without benefits. So either Costa Packet recruit local people or they would have to raise their wages to attract staff. Update Migration Watch today published a report on the scale of illegal immigration. The vast majority of people arrive here legally and over stay their visa and the Home Office cannot find and deport them. This echos my point about post Brexit, I await with interest the government's new immigration policy. [Link] Edited by Badger11 (20 Sep 2018 10.20am) Edited by Badger11 (20 Sep 2018 10.21am) One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 19 Sep 18 12.01pm

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

By looking at their tax return?

You maybe right so what happens if the person is only earning minimum wage? And can they claim benefits whilst they are earning below the threshold? UK governments do not have a good record for deporting people so if we rely on tax returns we are closing the stable door after the horse has bolted.

My solution would be to ban anyone from claiming benefits for 5 years. If Costa Packet want to pay minimum wage to their staff I don't see many migrants being able to afford to live on that without benefits. So either Costa Packet recruit local people or they would have to raise their wages to attract staff.

Update

Migration Watch today published a report on the scale of illegal immigration. The vast majority of people arrive here legally and over stay their visa and the Home Office cannot find and deport them. This echos my point about post Brexit, I await with interest the government's new immigration policy.

[Link]

Edited by Badger11 (20 Sep 2018 10.20am)

Edited by Badger11 (20 Sep 2018 10.21am)

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PalazioVecchio south pole 19 Sep 18 12.54pm
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 By looking at their tax return? forget that. If they wear big bling, they is loaded. Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

PalazioVecchio

south pole 19 Sep 18 12.54pm

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

By looking at their tax return?

forget that. If they wear big bling, they is loaded.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

exbiggineagle Coney Hall Village 19 Sep 18 2.22pm
Originally posted by Dannyh.V2 These remain types not dramatic at all are they ? very level headed bunch If only #Khanout

exbiggineagle

Coney Hall Village 19 Sep 18 2.22pm

Originally posted by Dannyh.V2

These remain types not dramatic at all are they ? very level headed bunch

If only

#Khanout

PalazioVecchio south pole 19 Sep 18 3.23pm
Originally posted by Dannyh.V2 These remain types not dramatic at all are they ? very level headed bunch Remainers remind me of Glenn Close in 'Fatal Attraction'. You tell them the relationship is over and they scream, shout, cry, protest at the unfairness of it all and eventually they put your pets into a stew. Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

PalazioVecchio

south pole 19 Sep 18 3.23pm

Originally posted by Dannyh.V2

These remain types not dramatic at all are they ? very level headed bunch

Remainers remind me of Glenn Close in 'Fatal Attraction'.

You tell them the relationship is over and they scream, shout, cry, protest at the unfairness of it all and eventually they put your pets into a stew.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

Sportyteacher London 20 Sep 18 1.52pm
Bottom line with this motley crue of Govt ministers is that we have lions being led by donkeys ...and not just re: Brexit.

Sportyteacher

London 20 Sep 18 1.52pm

Bottom line with this motley crue of Govt ministers is that we have lions being led by donkeys ...and not just re: Brexit.

steeleye20 Croydon 20 Sep 18 2.46pm
Mrs May is now telling the EU that she wants 'a shared close relationship'......... Like being in the EU, but not in the EU? Not too terrible, not Sunderland. Not true either, Mrs May desperate for a deal while offering empty words.

steeleye20

Croydon 20 Sep 18 2.46pm

Mrs May is now telling the EU that she wants 'a shared close relationship'.........

Like being in the EU, but not in the EU?

Not too terrible, not Sunderland.

Not true either, Mrs May desperate for a deal while offering empty words.

Badger11 Beckenham 20 Sep 18 3.52pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Mrs May is now telling the EU that she wants 'a shared close relationship'......... Like being in the EU, but not in the EU? Not too terrible, not Sunderland. Not true either, Mrs May desperate for a deal while offering empty words. For a change I am in agreement with you this is the worst of both worlds. We should have just left nothing to fear with WTO we already trade under those rules outside of the EU. Once we left if the EU wanted a deal fine we can then negotiate from a position of strength. Right now the EU is running rings around May. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 20 Sep 18 3.52pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Mrs May is now telling the EU that she wants 'a shared close relationship'.........

Like being in the EU, but not in the EU?

Not too terrible, not Sunderland.

Not true either, Mrs May desperate for a deal while offering empty words.

For a change I am in agreement with you this is the worst of both worlds. We should have just left nothing to fear with WTO we already trade under those rules outside of the EU. Once we left if the EU wanted a deal fine we can then negotiate from a position of strength. Right now the EU is running rings around May.

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YT Oxford 20 Sep 18 3.56pm
Originally posted by Sportyteacher Bottom line with this motley crue of Govt ministers is that we have lions being led by donkeys ...and not just re: Brexit. Who are the lions in your metaphor? Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

Oxford 20 Sep 18 3.56pm

Originally posted by Sportyteacher

Bottom line with this motley crue of Govt ministers is that we have lions being led by donkeys ...and not just re: Brexit.

Who are the lions in your metaphor?

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

steeleye20 Croydon 21 Sep 18 10.22am
Government now stockpiling brexiteers due to shortages..........

steeleye20

Croydon 21 Sep 18 10.22am

Government now stockpiling brexiteers due to shortages..........

chris123 hove actually 21 Sep 18 10.35am
Originally posted by Badger11 For a change I am in agreement with you this is the worst of both worlds. We should have just left nothing to fear with WTO we already trade under those rules outside of the EU. Once we left if the EU wanted a deal fine we can then negotiate from a position of strength. Right now the EU is running rings around May. We already trade with the US, China, Aussie, New Zealand, Saudi and others on WTO.

chris123

hove actually 21 Sep 18 10.35am

Originally posted by Badger11

We already trade with the US, China, Aussie, New Zealand, Saudi and others on WTO.

johnno42000 23 Sep 18 10.47am
One of our owners (might be ex-owner) makes the papers for something other than Palace [Link] 'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'

johnno42000

23 Sep 18 10.47am

One of our owners (might be ex-owner) makes the papers for something other than Palace [Link]

'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'

Badger11 Beckenham 23 Sep 18 10.58am
Originally posted by johnno42000 One of our owners (might be ex-owner) makes the papers for something other than Palace [Link] How many more new parties are going to be formed? It seems every day I read that a group of disgruntled politicians are been taking soundings. Normally it's supposed to be anti Corbyn Labour MP's. It is like asking people who is in favour of ice cream? As the SDP found out it looks good until you have to start declaring your policies. Then some of the voters and some of your own politicians say hang on I don't agree with that and it implodes. The other problem as UKIP found out is that all the good people have been snapped up. You might have a few figure heads but is the chairman of the local Kent party as good as his Labour of Tory opposite number? Perhaps not so you end up with some idiot with very odd ideas. Edited by Badger11 (23 Sep 2018 12.20pm) One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 23 Sep 18 10.58am

Originally posted by johnno42000

One of our owners (might be ex-owner) makes the papers for something other than Palace [Link]

How many more new parties are going to be formed? It seems every day I read that a group of disgruntled politicians are been taking soundings. Normally it's supposed to be anti Corbyn Labour MP's.

It is like asking people who is in favour of ice cream? As the SDP found out it looks good until you have to start declaring your policies. Then some of the voters and some of your own politicians say hang on I don't agree with that and it implodes.

The other problem as UKIP found out is that all the good people have been snapped up. You might have a few figure heads but is the chairman of the local Kent party as good as his Labour of Tory opposite number? Perhaps not so you end up with some idiot with very odd ideas.

Edited by Badger11 (23 Sep 2018 12.20pm)

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PalazioVecchio south pole 23 Sep 18 11.33am
The EU is behaving like an angry jilted husband who cannot accept that the wife has dumped him. Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

PalazioVecchio

south pole 23 Sep 18 11.33am

The EU is behaving like an angry jilted husband who cannot accept that the wife has dumped him.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

Badger11 Beckenham 23 Sep 18 12.35pm
Corbyn says he will back a 2nd referendum if that is the wish of party members. I have no problem with this but it is fraught with danger for the Labour party. Apparently the active Labour supporters overwhelming back this choice so expect later this week a vote in favour. Corbyn of course is a Brexiter although he wont say that out loud. Labour voters as opposed to party members may not be so keen. Labour will pick up some remainer voters but they probably have the bulk of them already. It is more likely that they will lose some support as their voters will choose to remain at home. The big question of course is what will this 2nd referendum be about? Is it a re-run of the 2016 question? Is it a vote on the deal / no deal that Mrs May negotiates with the EU. What happens if the people vote against the deal? Does that mean a no deal Brexit? Or does it mean we stay in the EU (Assuming they let us) Or does it mean the government has to go back to the EU to renegotiate and if yes will that deal have to be voted on. All in all lots of questions.The Tory party are in a right mess at the moment and I think Labour are about to join them. As for a general election right now it doesn't make sense. Mrs May's immediate problem is with the EU not giving her a deal she wants. Calling a general election does not help that issue. I suspect that there will be a deal but Labour MP's plus Tory Brexiteers will vote it down in the commons. At that point either the Tory party sacks her or she survives in which case I think Mrs May will have no choice but to call an election. Edited by Badger11 (23 Sep 2018 12.39pm) One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 23 Sep 18 12.35pm

Corbyn says he will back a 2nd referendum if that is the wish of party members. I have no problem with this but it is fraught with danger for the Labour party.

Apparently the active Labour supporters overwhelming back this choice so expect later this week a vote in favour. Corbyn of course is a Brexiter although he wont say that out loud.

Labour voters as opposed to party members may not be so keen. Labour will pick up some remainer voters but they probably have the bulk of them already. It is more likely that they will lose some support as their voters will choose to remain at home.

The big question of course is what will this 2nd referendum be about? Is it a re-run of the 2016 question? Is it a vote on the deal / no deal that Mrs May negotiates with the EU. What happens if the people vote against the deal? Does that mean a no deal Brexit? Or does it mean we stay in the EU (Assuming they let us) Or does it mean the government has to go back to the EU to renegotiate and if yes will that deal have to be voted on.

All in all lots of questions.The Tory party are in a right mess at the moment and I think Labour are about to join them.

As for a general election right now it doesn't make sense. Mrs May's immediate problem is with the EU not giving her a deal she wants. Calling a general election does not help that issue. I suspect that there will be a deal but Labour MP's plus Tory Brexiteers will vote it down in the commons. At that point either the Tory party sacks her or she survives in which case I think Mrs May will have no choice but to call an election.

Edited by Badger11 (23 Sep 2018 12.39pm)

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Stirlingsays 23 Sep 18 12.43pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Corbyn says he will back a 2nd referendum if that is the wish of party members. I have no problem with this but it is fraught with danger for the Labour party. Apparently the active Labour supporters overwhelming back this choice so expect later this week a vote in favour. Corbyn of course is a Brexiter although he wont say that out loud. Labour voters as opposed to party members may not be so keen. Labour will pick up some remainer voters but they probably have the bulk of them already. It is more likely that they will lose some support as their voters will choose to remain at home. The big question of course is what will this 2nd referendum be about? Is it a re-run of the 2016 question? Is it a vote on the deal / no deal that Mrs May negotiates with the EU. What happens if the people vote against the deal? Does that mean a no deal Brexit? Or does it mean we stay in the EU (Assuming they let us) Or does it mean the government has to go back to the EU to renegotiate and if yes will that deal have to be voted on. All in all lots of questions.The Tory party are in a right mess at the moment and I think Labour are about to join them. As for a general election right now it doesn't make sense. Mrs May's immediate problem is with the EU not giving her a deal she wants. Calling a general election does not help that issue. I suspect that there will be a deal but Labour MP's plus Tory Brexiteers will vote it down in the commons. At that point either the Tory party sacks her or she survives in which case I think Mrs May will have no choice but to call an election. Edited by Badger11 (23 Sep 2018 12.39pm) The Labour party gained a lot of leaver votes last election amid promises they gave to respect that vote. This is showing those voters that you can't trust Labour to keep their word. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

23 Sep 18 12.43pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Corbyn says he will back a 2nd referendum if that is the wish of party members. I have no problem with this but it is fraught with danger for the Labour party.

Apparently the active Labour supporters overwhelming back this choice so expect later this week a vote in favour. Corbyn of course is a Brexiter although he wont say that out loud.

Edited by Badger11 (23 Sep 2018 12.39pm)

The Labour party gained a lot of leaver votes last election amid promises they gave to respect that vote.

This is showing those voters that you can't trust Labour to keep their word.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Badger11 Beckenham 23 Sep 18 1.12pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays The Labour party gained a lot of leaver votes last election amid promises they gave to respect that vote. This is showing those voters that you can't trust Labour to keep their word. That would be my view. However if a general election is called then they are entitled to put forward a new manifesto. If they vote against a "chequers" deal in the commons they can argue they are not voting against Brexit and I would agree as I didn't vote for "chequers". However if they force a vote against Brexit then as you say the voters will see that as a betrayal. In my opinion there are only 2 options leave with a deal or just leave. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 23 Sep 18 1.12pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The Labour party gained a lot of leaver votes last election amid promises they gave to respect that vote.

This is showing those voters that you can't trust Labour to keep their word.

That would be my view.

However if a general election is called then they are entitled to put forward a new manifesto. If they vote against a "chequers" deal in the commons they can argue they are not voting against Brexit and I would agree as I didn't vote for "chequers". However if they force a vote against Brexit then as you say the voters will see that as a betrayal. In my opinion there are only 2 options leave with a deal or just leave.

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steeleye20 Croydon 23 Sep 18 4.12pm
The only reason you do not want a vote is because this time remain would win. Labour cannot win an election without securing a sizeable portion of the 48% of voters who do not wish to leave the EU. Not going to do it are they. Still have that dotty inward-looking focus on issues irrelevant to moderate voters. The types that Wilson, Blair appealed to win them election after election.

steeleye20

Croydon 23 Sep 18 4.12pm

The only reason you do not want a vote is because this time remain would win.

Labour cannot win an election without securing a sizeable portion of the 48% of voters who do not wish to leave the EU.

Not going to do it are they.

Still have that dotty inward-looking focus on issues irrelevant to moderate voters.

The types that Wilson, Blair appealed to win them election after election.

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