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Ouzo Dan Flag Behind you 05 Oct 18 11.23am

Really all this backwards & forwards for normal people it just means getting stamps in your passport again.

Me & my gf are signing off on a mortgage in Slovakia on Monday, so long as there is no last minute disasters we leave permanently in 5 1/2 weeks.

Am I worried? Not in the slightest.

Swapping acid attacks, moped gangs, shootings, noisy screamy neighbours at 3am for mountains, forests, lakes, snowboarding & mountain biking.

Can't wait

Actually I can probably give a real time commentary on what paperwork needs to be done when the time comes.

Edited by Ouzo Dan (05 Oct 2018 11.26am)

 

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lloydy Flag st ives cornwall 05 Oct 18 11.40am

hi dan,have you enquired about 3rd party residence after march next year.
if so what was the reply?

Edited by lloydy (05 Oct 2018 11.42am)

 
Mapletree Flag Croydon 05 Oct 18 11.41am

I am so looking forward to proper devolution, Surrey leaving England could be called Sexit or Suxit.

Stop those damned Essex people working across the border in Kent (Kexoff) and Surrey. I never voted for Essex MPs, why should they have a say in Croydon life?

Wolves supporters having to get visas for South East London.

I say hand the power back to the people, I am considering moving to Tooting.

 
Ouzo Dan Flag Behind you 05 Oct 18 12.22pm

Originally posted by lloydy

hi dan,have you enquired about 3rd party residence after march next year.
if so what was the reply?

Edited by lloydy (05 Oct 2018 11.42am)

Right now you can pay to become a slovak citizen which is what I'm going to do after Monday, I think its circa 700eur you get a discount for being an entrepreneur (running and owning B&B) which reduces that figure quite a bit.
As for beyond march I haven't really seen much info although I'd imagine it would be similar to how it was 15 years ago & you'd need to renew your right to work every 2? Years by going to your local police station & signing off a few forms.

I think everyone is winging it a bit come march so we'll see.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 05 Oct 18 3.07pm

Originally posted by Ouzo Dan

Right now you can pay to become a slovak citizen which is what I'm going to do after Monday, I think its circa 700eur you get a discount for being an entrepreneur (running and owning B&B) which reduces that figure quite a bit.
As for beyond march I haven't really seen much info although I'd imagine it would be similar to how it was 15 years ago & you'd need to renew your right to work every 2? Years by going to your local police station & signing off a few forms.

I think everyone is winging it a bit come march so we'll see.


I don't support things like dual nationalities if that's what you're doing but all the same I wish you well and hope you continue to update us on your adventure there.

You're leaving the sinking ship early when really we need those who realise the ship is holed.....but I can't blame you....here's to your success!

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Oct 2018 3.07pm)

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 05 Oct 18 6.35pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

I am so looking forward to proper devolution, Surrey leaving England could be called Sexit or Suxit.

Stop those damned Essex people working across the border in Kent (Kexoff) and Surrey. I never voted for Essex MPs, why should they have a say in Croydon life?

Wolves supporters having to get visas for South East London.

I say hand the power back to the people, I am considering moving to Tooting.

I was born in England and I never voted to join a European superstate. I'm just returning to where I started. The EU will only go one way if it prevails.

Do you actually think that more people being rules by less is a better situation? How do you think that will affect a satellite region like Britain? How much more corruptible will the decision makers be?

 
Stirlingsays Flag 06 Oct 18 10.15am

Look at the EU now....desperate to keep a Johnson government out which would have a real Brexit....... now they are full of 'positive' noises.

Totally desperate to secure their 40 Billion and keep the soft underbelly of the Tory party in negotiations.

Shows up the remainers with all that tough EU talk for what it was.

[Link]


Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Oct 2018 10.16am)

 

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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 06 Oct 18 11.42am

As Shakespeare would have put it:-

Exit, pursued by a bear.

 
the.universal 06 Oct 18 1.43pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Look at the EU now....desperate to keep a Johnson government out which would have a real Brexit....... now they are full of 'positive' noises.

Totally desperate to secure their 40 Billion and keep the soft underbelly of the Tory party in negotiations.

Shows up the remainers with all that tough EU talk for what it was.

[Link]

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Oct 2018 10.16am)

A little early to draw firm conclusions, wouldn’t you say?

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 06 Oct 18 4.21pm

Originally posted by the.universal

A little early to draw firm conclusions, wouldn’t you say?

That's never stopped me before.

 

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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 07 Oct 18 6.27pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

I am so looking forward to proper devolution, Surrey leaving England could be called Sexit or Suxit.

Stop those damned Essex people working across the border in Kent (Kexoff) and Surrey. I never voted for Essex MPs, why should they have a say in Croydon life?

Wolves supporters having to get visas for South East London.

I say hand the power back to the people, I am considering moving to Tooting.

There was/is a campaign for a totally independent London, hopefully within the EU, leaving the rest of England in the s***

 

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.TUX. Flag 07 Oct 18 7.00pm

Originally posted by pefwin

There was/is a campaign for a totally independent London, hopefully within the EU, leaving the rest of England in the s***

We've had it for decades tbf, it's called The City of London.

 

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dannyboy1978 Flag 08 Oct 18 7.49am

We are told youngsters can't get on the housing ladder and deposits are huge to buy.
The question is why are youngsters so pro brexit when it's been the catalyst to huge migration pushing up property prices.

If a higher % goes to rent/deposit and mortgage because of huge migration needing houses what has the point to the British public? Business benefits but not the normal person.

Housing % has ridden hugely more than wages, I just don't see what the point has been?
I would be happy earning less if my mortgage was a third less.

Any youngsters here who voted remain who can't get a house?

[Link]

Edited by dannyboy1978 (08 Oct 2018 7.59am)

 
Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 08 Oct 18 8.06am

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

We are told youngsters can't get on the housing ladder and deposits are huge to buy.
The question is why are youngsters so pro brexit when it's been the catalyst to huge migration pushing up property prices.

If a higher % goes to rent/deposit and mortgage because of huge migration needing houses what has the point to the British public? Business benefits but not the normal person.

Housing % has ridden hugely more than wages, I just don't see what the point has been?
I would be happy earning less if my mortgage was a third less.

Any youngsters here who voted remain who can't get a house?

[Link]

Edited by dannyboy1978 (08 Oct 2018 7.59am)

I don't think youngsters are as nationalistic as older generations. Although I was born in 69, the Second World War still loomed large in the background featuring in comics and on the TV etc. My generation were far more queen and country than today's (rightly or wrongly)

You are correct regarding housing however I don't think many youngsters correlate the link between open door migration and high housing.

 

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Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 08 Oct 18 11.04am

Plans for a march demanding a People's Vote (although I could have sworn we'd already had one) in London, with various 'celebrities' sponsoring coaches to bus in the masses.

And who do we see on this list of worthy citizens but one Pardew, A, described as a 'former footballer, manager'. Well, goodness me.

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 08 Oct 18 11.36am

I can't decide if this is a conspiracy by Remainers of all parties and those that really run things, to subvert democracy. I always suspected that they would try and get their way no matter what the vote.

 
steeleye20 Flag Croydon 08 Oct 18 11.47am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I can't decide if this is a conspiracy by Remainers of all parties and those that really run things, to subvert democracy. I always suspected that they would try and get their way no matter what the vote.

To 'subvert democracy' you have to be in one to start with!

No more referendums please, and especially democracy.

Britains problems are the result of voters.

The question here simply should never have been asked in the first place, the government, no matter how few voted for it (less than 30%) is there constitutionally to govern, not to ask the population what they think they should do.



 
CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 08 Oct 18 11.49am

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

We are told youngsters can't get on the housing ladder and deposits are huge to buy.
The question is why are youngsters so pro brexit when it's been the catalyst to huge migration pushing up property prices.

If a higher % goes to rent/deposit and mortgage because of huge migration needing houses what has the point to the British public? Business benefits but not the normal person.

Housing % has ridden hugely more than wages, I just don't see what the point has been?
I would be happy earning less if my mortgage was a third less.

Any youngsters here who voted remain who can't get a house?

[Link]

Edited by dannyboy1978 (08 Oct 2018 7.59am)

To simply blame immigration for the cost of housing is far too simplistic and arrives at the wrong conclusions.

For real insight into the issue you should start at the fundamentals of house building. For house builders, in simple terms, if you have more demand for housing the prices will go up so they will build more homes and this in turn increases supply bring the price back into equilibrium. The housing market though is inefficient, and the planning system creates huge difficulties and additional (inefficient) costs.

There is also the issue that the majority of voters in older generations have been influencing policy and planning through NIMBYism and a desire to increase the value of their homes. These two factors flow through to governments who are incentivised to restrict the supply of housing.


This also ignores the fact that businesses and public services hire the amount of people they need, not the amount of people who will fit into existing housing stock. Pretending that getting rid of immigration to solve the housing crisis will not have negative effects on other parts of the economy is stupid.

The real policy solution should be to overhaul the planning system and to fund more housing, plus invest in infrastructure and jobs, especially in the regions and incentivise businesses and people to relocate from London. The last 10 years have seen inaction from government on this, merely trialing policies that simply push prices up and make matters worse.

 
dannyboy1978 Flag 08 Oct 18 12.52pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

To simply blame immigration for the cost of housing is far too simplistic and arrives at the wrong conclusions.

For real insight into the issue you should start at the fundamentals of house building. For house builders, in simple terms, if you have more demand for housing the prices will go up so they will build more homes and this in turn increases supply bring the price back into equilibrium. The housing market though is inefficient, and the planning system creates huge difficulties and additional (inefficient) costs.

There is also the issue that the majority of voters in older generations have been influencing policy and planning through NIMBYism and a desire to increase the value of their homes. These two factors flow through to governments who are incentivised to restrict the supply of housing.


This also ignores the fact that businesses and public services hire the amount of people they need, not the amount of people who will fit into existing housing stock. Pretending that getting rid of immigration to solve the housing crisis will not have negative effects on other parts of the economy is stupid.

The real policy solution should be to overhaul the planning system and to fund more housing, plus invest in infrastructure and jobs, especially in the regions and incentivise businesses and people to relocate from London. The last 10 years have seen inaction from government on this, merely trialing policies that simply push prices up and make matters worse.

I think your missing my point.
Why do we want to increase the population?

Why do we want busier roads, more pollution
Straigned services when we could keep the population low. Lower population lowers housing giving people more in their pockets.

And yes if we increase the population we will need nurses so stop increasing the population.

I bet all these liberals who love open borders are the first to moan about building on the green belt or pollution from more cars in cities.

And don't forget automatization is around the corner!!

So all in all these youngsters voting to remain have not got a clue.

 
Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 08 Oct 18 1.31pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

To 'subvert democracy' you have to be in one to start with!

No more referendums please, and especially democracy.

Britains problems are the result of voters.

The question here simply should never have been asked in the first place, the government, no matter how few voted for it (less than 30%) is there constitutionally to govern, not to ask the population what they think they should do.



You want to get into a debate about what democracy is?

I know you would prefer a totalitarian communist government, but we voted for Leave just the same as we vote to decide a government and no one complains except the losers. It ain't a perfect system but we regularly ask stupid people who should be Prime Minister and I'm sure you would be happy if stupid people voted in Jeremy next time.
The losers think it's all so unfair. What a shocker. We live in a society where people have not learned how to lose with dignity.

 
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