You shouldn't object to a further vote as you favour democracy, and what they will be voting on will have no relation to what leavers thought they were voting for in 2016.

So let them choose on the basis of what is actually going to happen.

And how about a vote after that.....and a vote after that....and a vote after that......Na....we were told this would be the vote and now you have to suck it up.

Like I've said....leavers had to wait forty years for another vote on the EU...even though it was the common market then....yet another lie sold to us.

Enjoy your wait......though personally because I'm more ethical than your side I'd allow another vote within a generation....unlike you lot.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Oct 2018 2.57pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Like I said.

They can vote on what leaving actually is, not as politicians said 2 years ago.

How ridiculous it looks now, go back to it the campaign is painful, but if you vote again democrats no objection from me.

The last referendum was advisory only as you know.

Referendums bah humbug .........

Pick up the phone and scrap the whole thing.....

No it would be final the 2nd vote, must be a binding vote though.

Unless it didn't go your way (again) of course.

You stated that the catalyst for unaffordable homes was EU immigration. So unless your point was something other than what you stated I didn't miss it.

I pointed out the holes in your analysis.

I think you'll find it's conservatives rather than liberals who are the first to moan about building on the green belt. You could build millions of homes on half the UK's golf courses and I wouldn't mind and you'd lose practically no public space in doing so.

Automation will be a good thing as long as its benefits aren't seized by the wealthy and not shared with workers. However certain jobs like caring for the sick and elderly, mental health professionals, teachers etc. can't be automated. Automation should allow us to spend more time with our families rather than make swathes of people redundant.

Immigration has been proven again and again to be broadly positive. To use it as an excuse for government failings is callous, cowardly, bigoted and ignorant.

Now people know there are only 3 concrete options and there is far more clarity on the implications for the border in NI. Also we know we're all about £900 poorer than we would have been without the vote and we know the government is incapable of negotiating.

But importantly we know the 3 options:

Remain.

Leave with a Canada style deal (with added security cooperation) or WTO terms with a border in the Irish Sea.

Leave but stay in the CU/SM (so called Norway option). This would avoid any border between Ireland and GB/UK.

Big government is bad news. We already have one of those here screwing our lives so why on earth would i want to extend it further?
The bloc is little more than a box-ticking, debt-driven experiment............and it's failing.

Buy Litecoin.

What utter tripe. The parameters of our relationship with the EU have not changed one iota. You are just whining about the outcomes following our decision. And it is pathetic.

We are still subject to the exact same treaty conditions, subservience to the ECJ, limitations in our trading relations outside their protectionist barrier, taking law passed via a rubber-stamping parliament and meeking dumping it into our statute books with no dissent allowed.

If (for example) in the intervening 2 years EU membership were re-defined such that, we were no long subject to ECJ rulings and were able to strike trade deals with the ROW, then it would perhaps be legitimate to re-consider the question.

But you only want to revisit the question because you lost. Dress it up however you want, it is only those that want to remain that are calling for another referendum.

Ironically, of course, the original referendum in the 70's didn't include the huge drive for "integration" (read "United States of Europe") within the scope for the vote. Our relationship fundamentally changed with Maastricht (no referendum), Nice (no referendum) and Lisbon (no referendum, and by far the most far-reaching transfer of power).

Edited by davenotamonkey (08 Oct 2018 5.54pm)

Try explaining that to the bulk of Remainiacs on here and it’ll be fingers in ears accompanied by a chant of ‘la la la’.