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View Icepick Tony's Profile Icepick Tony Flag Chester 05 Feb 17 11.02am Send a Private Message to Icepick Tony Add Icepick Tony as a friend

Originally posted by chateauferret

Pity we brought on Ledley instead of Flamini. Pity the Home Office couldn't issue Milevojevic' visa in time, as well.

I can only guess he is still not 100% as the last few outings he's been rock solid.

 


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View rikz's Profile rikz Flag Croydon 05 Feb 17 12.21pm Send a Private Message to rikz Add rikz as a friend

Originally posted by Icepick Tony

Yes, let's compare Punch to one of the best playmakers ever? His basic story with us over the last 2/3 seasons has been, he wasn't good enough to be a winger once Wilf and Bolasie were on song so he was tried out as a No.10 as Chamakh was injured all the time. He got the odd goal in the beginning but the way the team set up allowed him to basically float and not really have many duties.
He then he got pushed further back into the midfield as apparently he is very technical and good on the ball.

He is out of his depth now and can't play the position, regardless of who is next to him he doesn't have the vision or ability needed to play the role. Our team isnt good enough to carry him so it highlights how ineffective he is. He isn't a Kroos, Pirlo or a Motta, he's a lad from south London who done alright but has never been top quality. Not an international midfielder that you're comparing him to.

Yesterday really did show how much of a difference Cabaye makes in our midfield 3 as once he went off we were lost in the middle.

Summed him up perfectly.

 

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View Mstrobez's Profile Mstrobez Flag 05 Feb 17 2.24pm Send a Private Message to Mstrobez Add Mstrobez as a friend

Originally posted by mattteo


Well thank you for the kind words and the vast improvement you bring on this site.

For your knowledge, all those players were wingers in their youth

For your knowledge Puncheon played on the wing for us at the age of 27 and started playing number 10 at 29. But your knowledge on palace is so limited I would question whether or not you actually support us.

 


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View bexleydave's Profile bexleydave Flag Barnehurst 05 Feb 17 2.47pm Send a Private Message to bexleydave Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add bexleydave as a friend

Originally posted by Mstrobez

For your knowledge Puncheon played on the wing for us at the age of 27 and started playing number 10 at 29. But your knowledge on palace is so limited I would question whether or not you actually support us.

...... Nah!

 


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View mattteo's Profile mattteo Flag 05 Feb 17 7.35pm Send a Private Message to mattteo Add mattteo as a friend

Originally posted by Mstrobez

For your knowledge Puncheon played on the wing for us at the age of 27 and started playing number 10 at 29. But your knowledge on palace is so limited I would question whether or not you actually support us.


FOR MY KNOWLEDGE WHAT??? HOW IS ANY OF WHAT YOU WROTE THERE SUPPOSED TO CONTRADICT WHAT I SAID OR IMPROVE MY KNOWLEDGE?

WHY ARE YOU BEING A JACKASS AND TELLING ME THAT I DON'T SUPPORT THIS TEAM?

 

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View cols123's Profile cols123 Flag beckenham 05 Feb 17 7.40pm Send a Private Message to cols123 Add cols123 as a friend

Originally posted by mattteo

Pirlo played in front of the defence in his last years. He wasn't very different from Puncheon. Thiago Motta does it for PSG, Kroos for Madrid sometimes.

Not a defensive midfielder, but a deep lying playmaker. If there are 2 central box-to-box midfielders in front of him, it's doable. All he'd have to do is maintain position and close spaces, as the other 2 midfielders would be the ones doing the tackles. McArthur and Cabaye could be those.

But I reckon Allardyce will always play them differently: McArthur and Cabaye lower, Puncheon behind the striker. And not having the necessary pace in that position where you're basically the second striker really damages the pressing and recovery of the team.

Puncheon is like Pirlo

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

I needed a laugh like this!


 

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View Nobbybm's Profile Nobbybm Flag Dartford 05 Feb 17 7.48pm Send a Private Message to Nobbybm Add Nobbybm as a friend

Originally posted by mattteo


Well thank you for the kind words and the vast improvement you bring on this site.

For your knowledge, all those players were wingers in their youth

So were Thierry Henry & David Trezeguet but if you think you can compare them to Punch then you are deluded.

You do actually understand that Football Manager is not 'real' don't you?

Quoting stats does not prove knowledge of the game, just knowledge of the numbers. Take yesterday's Hull V Liverpool: the scousers had:

72% possession
22 shots v 7
15 corners v 1

but, guess what, they lost 2-0.

PS: no need to SHOUT we can read in lower case too.

 


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View cpfc1976's Profile cpfc1976 Flag Reading 05 Feb 17 7.56pm Send a Private Message to cpfc1976 Add cpfc1976 as a friend

Originally posted by mattteo


FOR MY KNOWLEDGE WHAT??? HOW IS ANY OF WHAT YOU WROTE THERE SUPPOSED TO CONTRADICT WHAT I SAID OR IMPROVE MY KNOWLEDGE?

WHY ARE YOU BEING A JACKASS AND TELLING ME THAT I DON'T SUPPORT THIS TEAM?

Dear oh dear. Still going matteo....

Pirlo like Puncheon??? Ha ha ha. A day later and you still haven't given us the punchline.

 

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View mattteo's Profile mattteo Flag 05 Feb 17 8.19pm Send a Private Message to mattteo Add mattteo as a friend

Originally posted by Nobbybm

So were Thierry Henry & David Trezeguet but if you think you can compare them to Punch then you are deluded.

You do actually understand that Football Manager is not 'real' don't you?

Quoting stats does not prove knowledge of the game, just knowledge of the numbers. Take yesterday's Hull V Liverpool: the scousers had:

72% possession
22 shots v 7
15 corners v 1

but, guess what, they lost 2-0.

PS: no need to SHOUT we can read in lower case too.

Take those statistics into consideration, SMART PANTS, and realize that Liverpool is 4th and Hull is f******ing 18th and it was just 90 minutes that nobody could control.

But at the end of the championship, Liverpool will be at least 10 positions higher BECAUSE of those statistics

 

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View cpfc1976's Profile cpfc1976 Flag Reading 05 Feb 17 8.27pm Send a Private Message to cpfc1976 Add cpfc1976 as a friend

Originally posted by mattteo

Take those statistics into consideration, SMART PANTS, and realize that Liverpool is 4th and Hull is f******ing 18th and it was just 90 minutes that nobody could control.

But at the end of the championship, Liverpool will be at least 10 positions higher BECAUSE of those statistics

Yeah and we came 11th in 13/14 with about 30% possession. We are doubling that this season and are bottom three and getting beat every week.

 

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View mattteo's Profile mattteo Flag 05 Feb 17 8.37pm Send a Private Message to mattteo Add mattteo as a friend

Originally posted by cpfc1976

Dear oh dear. Still going matteo....

Pirlo like Puncheon??? Ha ha ha. A day later and you still haven't given us the punchline.

The idea is that when Pirlo got slow and couldn't run anymore as a winger, he became a central midfielder.
Not that Puncheon is as good as him. Proportions must be kept, we're talking about Juventus and Palace here. But Benteke is still the type of Mandzukic striker and Mandanda is still a goalkeeper like Buffon.

The point is that Pirlo played first man in front of the defence when Juventus won their first title under Conte. 3 at the back: Bonucci, Barzagli, Chiellini. Pirlo in front of the defence, with Vidal and Pogba as box-to-box. 2 strikers: Tevez and Morata.

In Allegri's first season, they even ditched Barzagli and played Marchisio as a third box-to-box midfielder and still won the league by a great margin.
Now, they go between 3-5-2 and 4-4-2. But they still have a playmaker in front of the defence: Pjanic.

And many low level teams have one too, to distribute the balls: Huddlestone for Hull, Shelvey for Newcastle, Charlie Adam for Stoke, Wilshire plays there many times, Jurado for Espanyol, Huszti for Eintracht.....

All of those players were a lot faster when younger, but got slower and more intelligent with the passage of time. I don't see why Puncheon can't play like this as long as he has Cabaye and McArthur to sweep in front of him. Do you think Milivojevic is that much different from Puncheon? Good technique, slow feet. This is exactly what you'll get from him

 

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View mattteo's Profile mattteo Flag 05 Feb 17 8.38pm Send a Private Message to mattteo Add mattteo as a friend

Originally posted by cpfc1976

Yeah and we came 11th in 13/14 with about 30% possession. We are doubling that this season and are bottom three and getting beat every week.

It's the number of shots and the goals scored that matter, not necessary the possession

 

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