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GladAllOver27 20 Jul 17 8.33am
Originally posted by Andy_G I do share some of the concerns of the OP but posting them this early was always asking for abuse. I was hoping for a slower style/system change but it looks as if we are going from the off which could well lead to another poor start and trouble by christmas. Really hope I'm wrong. I share a similar concern and feel for us to be successful in this formation, we need a big personal change. Whereas we could stick to a 433 and only need 3 players but with this 3-4-3, I feel we maybe need 6 or 7. This formation doesn't suit most of our current defenders and the likes of puncheon too slow in possession. Edited by GladAllOver27 (20 Jul 2017 8.33am)
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GladAllOver27

20 Jul 17 8.33am

Originally posted by Andy_G

I do share some of the concerns of the OP but posting them this early was always asking for abuse.

I was hoping for a slower style/system change but it looks as if we are going from the off which could well lead to another poor start and trouble by christmas. Really hope I'm wrong.

I share a similar concern and feel for us to be successful in this formation, we need a big personal change. Whereas we could stick to a 433 and only need 3 players but with this 3-4-3, I feel we maybe need 6 or 7. This formation doesn't suit most of our current defenders and the likes of puncheon too slow in possession.

Edited by GladAllOver27 (20 Jul 2017 8.33am)

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bexleydave Barnehurst 20 Jul 17 8.39am
Originally posted by GladAllOver27 I share a similar concern and feel for us to be successful in this formation, we need a big personal change. Whereas we could stick to a 433 and only need 3 players but with this 3-4-3, I feel we maybe need 6 or 7. This formation doesn't suit most of our current defenders and the likes of puncheon too slow in possession. That's the way I thought we'd be going, especially as the budget would appear to be limited to about that number of signings. If we'd gone with 4-3-3 yesterday I'd boldly suggest we'd have seen a different result. Bexley Dave Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing! "The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)
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bexleydave

Barnehurst 20 Jul 17 8.39am

Originally posted by GladAllOver27

I share a similar concern and feel for us to be successful in this formation, we need a big personal change. Whereas we could stick to a 433 and only need 3 players but with this 3-4-3, I feel we maybe need 6 or 7. This formation doesn't suit most of our current defenders and the likes of puncheon too slow in possession.

That's the way I thought we'd be going, especially as the budget would appear to be limited to about that number of signings. If we'd gone with 4-3-3 yesterday I'd boldly suggest we'd have seen a different result.

Bexley Dave

Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing!

"The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)

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Nobbybm Dartford 20 Jul 17 9.07am
Originally posted by GladAllOver27 I share a similar concern and feel for us to be successful in this formation, we need a big personal change. Whereas we could stick to a 433 and only need 3 players but with this 3-4-3, I feel we maybe need 6 or 7. This formation doesn't suit most of our current defenders and the likes of puncheon too slow in possession. Edited by GladAllOver27 (20 Jul 2017 8.33am) A year ago I'd have probably agreed however, Chelski just won the title with 3 at the back not in their preferred positions & two wingbacks that were never wingbacks. There was a good article in the Times a while back that detailed how these 5 were all out of their natural positions/comfort zones but Conte made it work. I think what it boils down to is these guys are professional footballers and, to a degree, should be able to play in any system. What makes me feel better is FdB's comments from the outset - he wants to try & change us, it won't happen overnight & he will adapt things accordingly. He's even been quoted as saying he will always learn from his mistakes - something Pardew never managed to do & that nearly cost us our EPL status. I, for one, am still excited by the prospect of a new era for us but am not expecting an instant impact, nor miracles at this early stage. Will this be five? It's gonna be five! It IS five!
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Dartford 20 Jul 17 9.07am

Originally posted by GladAllOver27

Edited by GladAllOver27 (20 Jul 2017 8.33am)

A year ago I'd have probably agreed however, Chelski just won the title with 3 at the back not in their preferred positions & two wingbacks that were never wingbacks. There was a good article in the Times a while back that detailed how these 5 were all out of their natural positions/comfort zones but Conte made it work.

I think what it boils down to is these guys are professional footballers and, to a degree, should be able to play in any system.

What makes me feel better is FdB's comments from the outset - he wants to try & change us, it won't happen overnight & he will adapt things accordingly. He's even been quoted as saying he will always learn from his mistakes - something Pardew never managed to do & that nearly cost us our EPL status.

I, for one, am still excited by the prospect of a new era for us but am not expecting an instant impact, nor miracles at this early stage.

Will this be five? It's gonna be five! It IS five!

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Spender Orpington 20 Jul 17 9.19am
The bottom line in the Premiership is that if a Club cannot afford to buy very top quality players throughout the side then it has to do what Big Sam preached and focus first and foremost on keeping a clean sheet. SP has made it clear that we are cash constrained in this transfer window so rather than trying to get an ordinary squad of players to play Sexy "pass from the back" football, we need to stick with "Clean Sheet First" football that kept us up under Sam. Even that is going to be a challenge without Sakho in the heart of our defence but it is the way to go this Season. FDB could be undoing the good work that Big Sam put in place. Yesterday did ring alarm bells and the lack of any suggested top quality signings 3 weeks before our Season starts does not help. Bringing in players like Lofus Cheek is all very well if he can be used as a bench player but he is never going to make a massive difference instantly to our performance at Premiership standard. He's just finding his feet as a young player.
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Orpington 20 Jul 17 9.19am

The bottom line in the Premiership is that if a Club cannot afford to buy very top quality players throughout the side then it has to do what Big Sam preached and focus first and foremost on keeping a clean sheet. SP has made it clear that we are cash constrained in this transfer window so rather than trying to get an ordinary squad of players to play Sexy "pass from the back" football, we need to stick with "Clean Sheet First" football that kept us up under Sam. Even that is going to be a challenge without Sakho in the heart of our defence but it is the way to go this Season.

FDB could be undoing the good work that Big Sam put in place.

Yesterday did ring alarm bells and the lack of any suggested top quality signings 3 weeks before our Season starts does not help.

Bringing in players like Lofus Cheek is all very well if he can be used as a bench player but he is never going to make a massive difference instantly to our performance at Premiership standard. He's just finding his feet as a young player.

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fishbone London 20 Jul 17 9.21am
Agree strongly with nobby Rome wasn't built in a day but when they had finished it lasted more than a thousand years
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London 20 Jul 17 9.21am

Agree strongly with nobby
Rome wasn't built in a day but when they had finished it lasted more than a thousand years

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 20 Jul 17 9.25am
Originally posted by Spender The bottom line in the Premiership is that if a Club cannot afford to buy very top quality players throughout the side then it has to do what Big Sam preached and focus first and foremost on keeping a clean sheet. SP has made it clear that we are cash constrained in this transfer window so rather than trying to get an ordinary squad of players to play Sexy "pass from the back" football, we need to stick with "Clean Sheet First" football that kept us up under Sam. Even that is going to be a challenge without Sakho in the heart of our defence but it is the way to go this Season. FDB could be undoing the good work that Big Sam put in place. Yesterday did ring alarm bells and the lack of any suggested top quality signings 3 weeks before our Season starts does not help. Bringing in players like Lofus Cheek is all very well if he can be used as a bench player but he is never going to make a massive difference instantly to our performance at Premiership standard. He's just finding his feet as a young player. Spender Given your reservations, maybe you believe that in our circumstances and recent 'Success' under Allardyce, that Dyche would have been a better choice as manager ?
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 20 Jul 17 9.25am

Originally posted by Spender

FDB could be undoing the good work that Big Sam put in place.

Yesterday did ring alarm bells and the lack of any suggested top quality signings 3 weeks before our Season starts does not help.

Spender

Given your reservations, maybe you believe that in our circumstances and recent 'Success' under Allardyce, that Dyche would have been a better choice as manager ?

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spartakev2 Anerley 20 Jul 17 9.26am
The thing that concerned me most was the service to benteke. Stop our wingers and wd have no creativity through thd middle. I know we've got RLC in, but think we really still need a creative no.10....
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Anerley 20 Jul 17 9.26am

The thing that concerned me most was the service to benteke. Stop our wingers and wd have no creativity through thd middle. I know we've got RLC in, but think we really still need a creative no.10....

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dp Tunbridge Wells 20 Jul 17 9.26am
I love this post OP. This site is full of irrational optimism, unjustified suicidal negativity, Wikipedia driven facts, spiteful jibes and complete nuts with a little bit of good analysis thrown in for good measure. Your OP fits the unjustified negativity, by the end there will be a bit of everything else added too. Thanks for brightening my day.
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Tunbridge Wells 20 Jul 17 9.26am

I love this post OP. This site is full of irrational optimism, unjustified suicidal negativity, Wikipedia driven facts, spiteful jibes and complete nuts with a little bit of good analysis thrown in for good measure.

Your OP fits the unjustified negativity, by the end there will be a bit of everything else added too.

Thanks for brightening my day.

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DANGERCLOSE london 20 Jul 17 9.33am
Originally posted by GladAllOver27 I share a similar concern and feel for us to be successful in this formation, we need a big personal change. Whereas we could stick to a 433 and only need 3 players but with this 3-4-3, I feel we maybe need 6 or 7. This formation doesn't suit most of our current defenders and the likes of puncheon too slow in possession. Edited by GladAllOver27 (20 Jul 2017 8.33am) Agreed
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london 20 Jul 17 9.33am

Originally posted by GladAllOver27

Edited by GladAllOver27 (20 Jul 2017 8.33am)

Agreed

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bexleydave Barnehurst 20 Jul 17 9.51am
Originally posted by Nobbybm A year ago I'd have probably agreed however, Chelski just won the title with 3 at the back not in their preferred positions & two wingbacks that were never wingbacks. There was a good article in the Times a while back that detailed how these 5 were all out of their natural positions/comfort zones but Conte made it work. But we are not Chelsea and do not, nor can we buy, players of the quality that they have. We need to cut our cloth according to our means and let's not forget that we beat them, in their own backyard, last season with our 'inferior' brand of football. Who were the April Fools that day? Bexley Dave Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing! "The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)
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Barnehurst 20 Jul 17 9.51am

Originally posted by Nobbybm

A year ago I'd have probably agreed however, Chelski just won the title with 3 at the back not in their preferred positions & two wingbacks that were never wingbacks. There was a good article in the Times a while back that detailed how these 5 were all out of their natural positions/comfort zones but Conte made it work.

But we are not Chelsea and do not, nor can we buy, players of the quality that they have. We need to cut our cloth according to our means and let's not forget that we beat them, in their own backyard, last season with our 'inferior' brand of football. Who were the April Fools that day?

Bexley Dave

Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing!

"The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 20 Jul 17 9.55am
Originally posted by bexleydave But we are not Chelsea and do not, nor can we buy, players of the quality that they have. We need to cut our cloth according to our means and let's not forget that we beat them, in their own backyard, last season with our 'inferior' brand of football. Who were the April Fools that day? Get the feeling that some of our supporters are thinking of the word 'Transition' and shuddering when one considers some of the issues in the past !
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 20 Jul 17 9.55am

Originally posted by bexleydave

Get the feeling that some of our supporters are thinking of the word 'Transition' and shuddering when one considers some of the issues in the past !

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DutchEagleJohan Vlissingen, Netherlands 20 Jul 17 10.03am
I honestly think this 3-4-3 talk is complete, utter and total Bollocks if playing with Delaney and Dann in the center. Who played midfield and was supposed to be ahead of the defense? I genuinely was pleased with the first half as I could not detect a minor bit off difference from us under Allerdyce but maybe I am tactically blind. And further more: this was a hyped training session. The fact that 30 odd thousand locals scream at every touch and it is on TV does not make it more then a pre season training game. Originally posted by bexleydave That's the way I thought we'd be going, especially as the budget would appear to be limited to about that number of signings. If we'd gone with 4-3-3 yesterday I'd boldly suggest we'd have seen a different result.
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I honestly think this 3-4-3 talk is complete, utter and total Bollocks if playing with Delaney and Dann in the center. Who played midfield and was supposed to be ahead of the defense? I genuinely was pleased with the first half as I could not detect a minor bit off difference from us under Allerdyce but maybe I am tactically blind.
And further more: this was a hyped training session. The fact that 30 odd thousand locals scream at every touch and it is on TV does not make it more then a pre season training game.

Originally posted by bexleydave

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