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Lyons550 Flag Shirley 15 Feb 19 3.55pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Completely agree

But no government will go anywhere near this far - political suicide. No measure that is introduced that results in lowering house prices will be tolerated by a significant portion of the voting electorate (ie the middle classes). It’s such a massive part of our culture that it’s impossible to change it.


Whilst I agree to an extent the changes in Sec.24 that relate to reducing the amount of Mortgage Interest Tax relief is doing a fair amount, as Landlords who own properties outside of a business (and therefore largely unregulated) are trying to sell off properties before it comes into full force (ie. no tax relief at all) in around 15months time.

This is flooding the market with properties in certain areas pulling prices down as they fight to get buyers.

In addition the legislation around HMO's is being tightened and is weeding out a lot of unscrupulous Landlords who've made money on the back of others through nefarious means.

 

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Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 15 Feb 19 4.23pm

Originally posted by Lyons550


Whilst I agree to an extent the changes in Sec.24 that relate to reducing the amount of Mortgage Interest Tax relief is doing a fair amount, as Landlords who own properties outside of a business (and therefore largely unregulated) are trying to sell off properties before it comes into full force (ie. no tax relief at all) in around 15months time.

This is flooding the market with properties in certain areas pulling prices down as they fight to get buyers.

In addition the legislation around HMO's is being tightened and is weeding out a lot of unscrupulous Landlords who've made money on the back of others through nefarious means.

Section 24 will I believe have several effects.
I think you are right that there have been a lot of amateur landlords selling up which is partly responsible for dampening the housing market (over supply for the first time in years) but what I think will also start to happen is that in a few years time there will be in effect be less buy-to-let properties to let out there which will then of course push up rental prices for what is available through lack of demand.

The landlord very rarely loses just as long as his portfolio is under the umbrella of a Limited Company.

Let me know how you go with Hull Lyons, very interested to hear what sort of yields you achieve.

Think Hull could be a property hotspot now its been capital of culture etc.

Good investment fella.

 

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.TUX. Flag 15 Feb 19 8.49pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Completely agree

But no government will go anywhere near this far - political suicide. No measure that is introduced that results in lowering house prices will be tolerated by a significant portion of the voting electorate (ie the middle classes). It’s such a massive part of our culture that it’s impossible to change it.

And there lies the problem. Nothing is ever about our country.

 

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PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 29 Mar 19 9.57am

follow the link. London is by far the worst performer in the whole UK. Down nearly 4% in 12 months.

You can blame Brexit, but I predict no recovery while the stabbings continue.

[Link]

 

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 29 Mar 19 10.01am

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

follow the link. London is by far the worst performer in the whole UK. Down nearly 4% in 12 months.

You can blame Brexit, but I predict no recovery while the stabbings continue.

[Link]

The usual bore probably will, as he’s forgotten how much he’s been complaining house prices are too high.

 

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Midlands Eagle Flag 29 Mar 19 11.16am

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

follow the link. London is by far the worst performer in the whole UK. Down nearly 4% in 12 months.

You can blame Brexit, but I predict no recovery while the stabbings continue.

That article is a load of testicles. I started to read it before noticing what the media was and having read that it was all the fault of Brexit I looked to see that it was The Guardian - quelle surprise

So house prices are rising everywhere except London so I presume that the rest of England isn't subject to Brexit

 
PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 29 Mar 19 11.59am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

That article is a load of testicles. I started to read it before noticing what the media was and having read that it was all the fault of Brexit I looked to see that it was The Guardian - quelle surprise

So house prices are rising everywhere except London so I presume that the rest of England isn't subject to Brexit

Zone 1 gets lorryloads of investment from Chinese/Russian/Saudi Billionaires. Innit ?

if Brexit punishes them with taxes, regulation or capital movement restrictions....their money will fly, capital flight off to somewhere nice and safe like Paris/Frankfurt/Sarajevo/Calais/Malmo/Marseilles/Naples/Detroit

 

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Lyons550 Flag Shirley 29 Mar 19 3.09pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

Zone 1 gets lorryloads of investment from Chinese/Russian/Saudi Billionaires. Innit ?

if Brexit punishes them with taxes, regulation or capital movement restrictions....their money will fly, capital flight off to somewhere nice and safe like Paris/Frankfurt/Sarajevo/Calais/Malmo/Marseilles/Naples/Detroit

For the umpteenth time...you're not telling us anything that we didnt already know....so what? You just seem to revel in bad news stories about the Capital...poor trolling.

 

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kenbarr Flag Jackson Heights, Queens, New York ... 29 Mar 19 8.06pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

follow the link. London is by far the worst performer in the whole UK. Down nearly 4% in 12 months.

You can blame Brexit, but I predict no recovery while the stabbings continue.

[Link]

I’m sorry but this one falls under the heading “Lies, damn lies & statistics. One area of the country has a fall of over 5 times the entire country 0.7% versus 3.8%) in percentage terms just doesn’t cut it for this old debater. If I were debating pro-Remain I’d have far better figures than this.

 

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PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 17 Jul 19 1.53pm

Originally posted by kenbarr

I’m sorry but this one falls under the heading “Lies, damn lies & statistics. One area of the country has a fall of over 5 times the entire country 0.7% versus 3.8%) in percentage terms just doesn’t cut it for this old debater. If I were debating pro-Remain I’d have far better figures than this.


forget about abstract Brexit debates. The evidence is of a property market crash, just like the one that started in 1989 and kept going to 1996, wiping a ton of value off homes.

good news if you want to become a first time buyer. So there will be winners also.

[Link]

 

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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 17 Jul 19 1.59pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio


forget about abstract Brexit debates. The evidence is of a property market crash, just like the one that started in 1989 and kept going to 1996, wiping a ton of value off homes.

good news if you want to become a first time buyer. So there will be winners also.

[Link]

The houses never really become 'affordable' in reality though. Hilariously, I can remember the days when houses were a few grand. I can also remember extensive government and council housing schemes. That seems like it belongs to a by-gone era now and I'm really not that old.
If you had a decent job - say 50 grand, can you then afford 400-500 grand on a semi? You are not going to get a mortgage 8-10 times your wages.

 

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.TUX. Flag 18 Jul 19 7.25am

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio


forget about abstract Brexit debates. The evidence is of a property market crash, just like the one that started in 1989 and kept going to 1996, wiping a ton of value off homes.

good news if you want to become a first time buyer. So there will be winners also.

[Link]

One day, just not anytime soon.
The odds favour further drops for a long while yet.

 

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Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 18 Jul 19 2.14pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

One day, just not anytime soon.
The odds favour further drops for a long while yet.

I sold up in February. Already the valuation, according to Zoopla, is down £20k. I think I may have left London at the right time.

 

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Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 18 Jul 19 2.44pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

I sold up in February. Already the valuation, according to Zoopla, is down £20k. I think I may have left London at the right time.

Maybe it’s just the Cucking effect with neighbourhoods dropping in value once you leave.

 

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Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 18 Jul 19 3.11pm

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

Maybe it’s just the Cucking effect with neighbourhoods dropping in value once you leave.

One mustn't rule it out, Tom. Now there's nowhere in Wallington where folks can re-enact the 1934 Nuremberg Rally in peace and safety.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 18 Jul 19 4.10pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

One mustn't rule it out, Tom. Now there's nowhere in Wallington where folks can re-enact the 1934 Nuremberg Rally in peace and safety.

I had noticed the steady rise in sales of bratwurst and sauerkraut myself.

 

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PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 13 Sep 19 10.15pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

One day, just not anytime soon.
The odds favour further drops for a long while yet.

correct...

[Link]

 

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Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 13 Sep 19 10.58pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

correct...

[Link]

This does not have anything to do with house prices in general.
The report states that flats have fallen slightly, however if you carry on reading it states that non flats, ie houses, have been rising.

The reason flats have been falling would be due to a lack of demand in the buy to let sector plus many ‘amateur’ landlords selling up due to the change in property tax laws (abolishing Mortgage relief).

 

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PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 28 Mar 20 3.37pm


in response to the other fella on here, asking about buying a flat.

here are the data...

[Link]

 

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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Flag Stoke sub normal 28 Mar 20 8.32pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio


in response to the other fella on here, asking about buying a flat.

here are the data...

[Link]

Lower prices for buying a house only affect first time buyers or end sellers, ie heirs to property. However, whenever you buy a property, regardless of the market prices, you will be better off financially within 5 years unless you default on the mortgage contract.

 

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