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Pussay Patrol Flag 05 Dec 18 1.13pm

Originally posted by rikz

If I was wilder I would be chasing straight after Joshua now, wilder will knock Joshua clean out. Joshua has improved very little as a pro, next to no movement, no jab at all, a heavier puncher than fury but if wilder can land on fury who's 6'9 and one of the most awkward boxers to hit then I can't see him not landing on Joshua plus Joshua will be even more petrified of his power now. tho he does know his way around the ring but it would have to be such a disciplined performance on Joshuas part I just can't see him not getting caught.

I think it works for all three to let wilder and Joshua fight. They've got all the belts between them and need to cash in asap with fury back in the mix. It gives fury another couple of fights to get rid of the ring rust and if wilder annihilates Joshua then I don't think they would call straight for the rematch so furys rematch with wilder could potentially be for all the belts.

Exciting times tho and we could end up having an equivalent to the fab four of the 80's in the heavyweight division with all three having a good shout of beating the other 2 and all fighting each other more than once.

Nonsense, Fury got up twice and if it weren't for a homer judge he wouldn't even have a belt

 


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rikz Flag Croydon 05 Dec 18 4.29pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Nonsense, Fury got up twice and if it weren't for a homer judge he wouldn't even have a belt

And fury is technically on a completely different level to Joshua. Wilder is completely wrong from him and there's no way Joshua is capable of the level of performance fury is. I'd actually give Joshua a much better chance of beating fury than I would wilder.

 

Casual Flag Orpington 05 Dec 18 8.36pm

Originally posted by rikz

And fury is technically on a completely different level to Joshua. Wilder is completely wrong from him and there's no way Joshua is capable of the level of performance fury is. I'd actually give Joshua a much better chance of beating fury than I would wilder.

Not for me. I think AJ beats them both. I agree that he, like anyone , would need to stay away from Wilders hayemaker. But Joshua , unlike fury, would also bother Wilder with his heavy hands. Let’s have it right, Ortiz was close to putting Wilder away.
Joshua has a stiff jab, unlike fury’s flicking jab, that would wear Wilder down, if AJ had Fury on the deck like Wilder did , I think he would finish him.

. Throw Usyk in the mix aswell and there’s good fights ahead

 

black eagle. Flag south croydon. 05 Dec 18 10.01pm

Originally posted by Casual

Not for me. I think AJ beats them both. I agree that he, like anyone , would need to stay away from Wilders hayemaker. But Joshua , unlike fury, would also bother Wilder with his heavy hands. Let’s have it right, Ortiz was close to putting Wilder away.
Joshua has a stiff jab, unlike fury’s flicking jab, that would wear Wilder down, if AJ had Fury on the deck like Wilder did , I think he would finish him.

. Throw Usyk in the mix aswell and there’s good fights ahead


Good post Casual,I totally agree about AJ finishing off Fury had he got up.

I think Wilder sometimes leaves himself wide open and could be caught on the counter.

Usyk did a good job on Bellew.

 

rikz Flag Croydon 06 Dec 18 11.18am

Usyk is about as big a threat as povetkin and whyte, his stepped up to make a bit of money. You got AJ who's 6'6 and 18 stone and a fairly good all rounder, wilder is 6'7 15 stone and has dynamite in both hands and fury 6'9 18 stone and by far the most intelligent and just has great general ring craft. I'm really not interested in them fighting other fighters apart from each other. Pulev, Miller, ortiz will have a go but all three would be massive underdogs. If fury, wilder and Joshua all fight a couple of times I'd be surprised afterwards if fury didn't have the best head to head.

 

Casual Flag Orpington 06 Dec 18 6.53pm

Originally posted by rikz

Usyk is about as big a threat as povetkin and whyte, his stepped up to make a bit of money. You got AJ who's 6'6 and 18 stone and a fairly good all rounder, wilder is 6'7 15 stone and has dynamite in both hands and fury 6'9 18 stone and by far the most intelligent and just has great general ring craft. I'm really not interested in them fighting other fighters apart from each other. Pulev, Miller, ortiz will have a go but all three would be massive underdogs. If fury, wilder and Joshua all fight a couple of times I'd be surprised afterwards if fury didn't have the best head to head.

Usyk is 6 ft 3 and by far the best boxer, although he’s not strong enough to stop any of them , but I bet he punches as hard as fury and is elusive.
Pulev isn’t good enough.
I’d beat miller Left handed.
Ortiz is 74.
Parker doesn’t start throwing his hands until the last 30seconds in the 12th.
Brazealle, Martin etc are all two Bob.
Hughie fury isn’t good enough.
Dubois/ Gorman are too raw, and a few years away, if they ever get there.
Joyce really isn’t very good, too slow and trying to be fast tracked due to his age.
Poverkin has been decent, but coming down the hill, rather than going up it.
Whyte is a level below them 3, but could trouble them if he landed.
As could Chisora , after what he did to Takkam , but is knocking on now and would be there for the money only.
For me it’s the 3 of them and Usyk , possibly after a couple of fights with lesser heavyweights.

Good fights coming though.
AJ for me.

 

rikz Flag Croydon 07 Dec 18 7.05pm

I think for once in a long time that boxing fans are genuinely gonna win, there's so much money to be made from all three fighting each other that I can't see the fights not happening. All three are now massive names in the sporting world not just boxing world. Will be an exciting couple of years in the heavyweight division.

 

Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 07 Dec 18 7.23pm

Noises from the Warren camp that AJ will be fighting a wild card in AJ’s booker date at Wembley. So Fury v Wilder first it’ll be then. If AJ beats that winner I’d like to see him fight the loser after as well, but you know he won’t. His camp will probably delay the fight vs the winner for a while anyway. There should be more blatant calling out of this ducking to maximise guaranteed earnings bollox.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 07 Dec 18 8.26pm

Originally posted by Casual

Usyk is 6 ft 3 and by far the best boxer, although he’s not strong enough to stop any of them , but I bet he punches as hard as fury and is elusive.
Pulev isn’t good enough.
I’d beat miller Left handed.
Ortiz is 74.
Parker doesn’t start throwing his hands until the last 30seconds in the 12th.
Brazealle, Martin etc are all two Bob.
Hughie fury isn’t good enough.
Dubois/ Gorman are too raw, and a few years away, if they ever get there.
Joyce really isn’t very good, too slow and trying to be fast tracked due to his age.
Poverkin has been decent, but coming down the hill, rather than going up it.
Whyte is a level below them 3, but could trouble them if he landed.
As could Chisora , after what he did to Takkam , but is knocking on now and would be there for the money only.
For me it’s the 3 of them and Usyk , possibly after a couple of fights with lesser heavyweights.

Good fights coming though.
AJ for me.

I like your listings....exciting times.

Joyce gave Usyk a competitive fight and is up there in the mix for a title if he isn't avoided......I think he could beat Wilder mainly because he has an iron jaw.....but that's probably why Wilder would never fight him.

If he gets the Ortiz fight and wins he could fight for the mandatory.

 


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chris123 Flag hove actually 07 Dec 18 9.13pm

Looks like a rematch has been sanctioned.

 

Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 07 Dec 18 9.20pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Noises from the Warren camp that AJ will be fighting a wild card in AJ’s booker date at Wembley. So Fury v Wilder first it’ll be then. If AJ beats that winner I’d like to see him fight the loser after as well, but you know he won’t. His camp will probably delay the fight vs the winner for a while anyway. There should be more blatant calling out of this ducking to maximise guaranteed earnings bollox.

To be fair I don't think AJ can be accused of ducking anyone.

Considering hes only had 22 pro fights I would say his resume is outstanding. Until Fury drew with Wilder no one was calling for AJ Fury.

The fight everyone wanted was Wilder and from my understanding it was Wilder who didn't sign the contract.

I think the next few years are going to be fantastic for boxing fans!

 


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youngpalacefan111 Flag 07 Dec 18 9.38pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Noises from the Warren camp that AJ will be fighting a wild card in AJ’s booker date at Wembley. So Fury v Wilder first it’ll be then. If AJ beats that winner I’d like to see him fight the loser after as well, but you know he won’t. His camp will probably delay the fight vs the winner for a while anyway. There should be more blatant calling out of this ducking to maximise guaranteed earnings bollox.

Yes your right, AJ is the ducker out of the three. His resume is only better than Wilder and Furys combined in half the fights.

 

Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 07 Dec 18 9.44pm

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

To be fair I don't think AJ can be accused of ducking anyone.

Considering hes only had 22 pro fights I would say his resume is outstanding. Until Fury drew with Wilder no one was calling for AJ Fury.

The fight everyone wanted was Wilder and from my understanding it was Wilder who didn't sign the contract.

I think the next few years are going to be fantastic for boxing fans!

It’s what the managers have in their plans that often decide what happens. A sport focused on money. Now where else has that damaged a sport for all fans.

Hopefully we’ll see some great fights we expect to for a change, and over a period of time.

 


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Pussay Patrol Flag 07 Dec 18 10.32pm

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

To be fair I don't think AJ can be accused of ducking anyone.

Considering hes only had 22 pro fights I would say his resume is outstanding. Until Fury drew with Wilder no one was calling for AJ Fury.

The fight everyone wanted was Wilder and from my understanding it was Wilder who didn't sign the contract.

I think the next few years are going to be fantastic for boxing fans!

I think AJ demanded a 60/40 purse

 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 08 Dec 18 8.16am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

I think AJ demanded a 60/40 purse

If true I don't blame AJ. For decades British fighters have had to take smaller purses and concede home advantage to American opponents. For once the boot is on the other foot. AJ has the most titles and can fill Wembley stadium. Wilder is not a big name in the USA and the only time he got mobbed was in the UK when he came to see Fury fight.

On that basis AJ should get the bigger purse.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 08 Dec 18 8.44am

60/40 purse.....that is way too generous.

For fighters and its industry boxing is about money....first, second and third.....belts are only a method of upping that price.....If they weren't there would only be one per division.

Now, AJ draws far far more PPV numbers than Wilder does......He first and only PPV against Fury had 320, 000 PPV buys and about 20, thousand in attendance.

AJ has been a PPV star for five or six fights and has gone over a million PPV buys and gets 80, 000 plus attending his fights.

The revenue AJ brings in doesn't even come close......So Wilder doesn't deserve 40 percent because all he brings is one belt and limited pulling power in comparison.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 08 Dec 18 10.37am

Originally posted by youngpalacefan111

Yes your right, AJ is the ducker out of the three. His resume is only better than Wilder and Furys combined in half the fights.

No. He just wasn't going to be suckered into a fight in America where he would be cheated out of his belts. A wise decision.

 

Casual Flag Orpington 08 Dec 18 12.42pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

60/40 purse.....that is way too generous.

For fighters and its industry boxing is about money....first, second and third.....belts are only a method of upping that price.....If they weren't there would only be one per division.

Now, AJ draws far far more PPV numbers than Wilder does......He first and only PPV against Fury had 320, 000 PPV buys and about 20, thousand in attendance.

AJ has been a PPV star for five or six fights and has gone over a million PPV buys and gets 80, 000 plus attending his fights.

The revenue AJ brings in doesn't even come close......So Wilder doesn't deserve 40 percent because all he brings is one belt and limited pulling power in comparison.

All true. AJ could have a fight with an Asda security guard and he’d sell 80000 tickets . I reckon a fair split for him and Wilder would be 80/20 and 70/30 for fury.
Ward doesn’t earn as much as Zaha for a reason.

Joshua has had 22 fights and fought
- an unbeaten whyte, who beat him in the amateurs
-an unbeaten and fancied Parker
-a dangerous Klitschko that had just been beaten by fury, so he had to win
-povetkin, decent fighter
-Takam at short notice

Fury’s spent 3 years on the packet and brassing and Wilder wanted him to sign for a fight without seeing the contract, who’s he meant to have ducked?

 

Stirlingsays Flag 08 Dec 18 1.08pm

Originally posted by Casual

All true. AJ could have a fight with an Asda security guard and he’d sell 80000 tickets . I reckon a fair split for him and Wilder would be 80/20 and 70/30 for fury.
Ward doesn’t earn as much as Zaha for a reason.

Joshua has had 22 fights and fought
- an unbeaten whyte, who beat him in the amateurs
-an unbeaten and fancied Parker
-a dangerous Klitschko that had just been beaten by fury, so he had to win
-povetkin, decent fighter
-Takam at short notice

Fury’s spent 3 years on the packet and brassing and Wilder wanted him to sign for a fight without seeing the contract, who’s he meant to have ducked?


Excepting throwing his belt into the bin, Wilder is doing his best Riddick Bowe impression.

Fury is trying to earn as much money as he can before he balloons back to to thirty five stone and dies in a crackhouse surround by hoes.

He said recently that he's giving all his purse away to charity......Fury's track record on telling the truth is so bad that he makes used car salesman look like moral custodians.

 


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rikz Flag Croydon 09 Dec 18 2.16pm

We all know boxing is a business but when fans start trying to justify fights not getting made due to, a side b side, politics and whatever, is when we might aswell call it a day. Unless you're fighting, promoting or receiving any kind of payment from the event then as fans all we should do is demand the best fight the best. Yeah it's a business but a business they need the public to buy into. All three have made more than enough already. now it's down to fans to constantly put pressure on the promoters to make the fights.

To be fair to aj I think he's pretty game and would go in with either fury or wilder and obviously Hearn being a promoter he would be stupid to risk his cash cow. But as a boxing fan all I care about is them fighting each other.

Fury is in a pretty strong position now tho and if I was him I'd look at taking step aside money with first dibs on the winner, let wilder and Joshua fight for all the belts, have another fight in the meantime giving himself even more time to get in shape then late next year he will have either a massive rematch for all the belts or the biggest British fight of all time. He can't really lose.

 

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