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PalazioVecchio south pole 17 Mar 19 3.36pm
Dublin does not want 1million Arlene Fosters. creationists, homophobic, xenophobic, loonies who still think its 1690 and appropriate for Catholic and Prod to be at each other's throat. but in fairness, its not 1 million Arlene's. That would be like dying and waking up in hell. Edited by PalazioVecchio (17 Mar 2019 4.05pm) Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

PalazioVecchio

south pole 17 Mar 19 3.36pm

Dublin does not want 1million Arlene Fosters.

creationists, homophobic, xenophobic, loonies who still think its 1690 and appropriate for Catholic and Prod to be at each other's throat.

but in fairness, its not 1 million Arlene's. That would be like dying and waking up in hell.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (17 Mar 2019 4.05pm)

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 17 Mar 19 7.41pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio Dublin does not want 1million Arlene Fosters. creationists, homophobic, xenophobic, loonies who still think its 1690 and appropriate for Catholic and Prod to be at each other's throat. but in fairness, its not 1 million Arlene's. That would be like dying and waking up in hell. Edited by PalazioVecchio (17 Mar 2019 4.05pm) Still would though. Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 17 Mar 19 7.41pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

Dublin does not want 1million Arlene Fosters.

creationists, homophobic, xenophobic, loonies who still think its 1690 and appropriate for Catholic and Prod to be at each other's throat.

but in fairness, its not 1 million Arlene's. That would be like dying and waking up in hell.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (17 Mar 2019 4.05pm)

Still would though.

Red and Blue Army!

PalazioVecchio south pole 22 Jan 22 10.34am
50 year anniversary bump. Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

PalazioVecchio

south pole 22 Jan 22 10.34am

50 year anniversary bump.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

Badger11 Beckenham 22 Jan 22 11.31am
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio 50 year anniversary bump. Unfortunately that about sums up the problems in that land. They are still remembering stuff that happened 400 years ago and no doubt will remember this in 400 years time. Forgive and forget doesn't go down well over there. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 22 Jan 22 11.31am

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

50 year anniversary bump.

Unfortunately that about sums up the problems in that land.

They are still remembering stuff that happened 400 years ago and no doubt will remember this in 400 years time.

Forgive and forget doesn't go down well over there.

One more point

PalazioVecchio south pole 22 Jan 22 12.51pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Unfortunately that about sums up the problems in that land. They are still remembering stuff that happened 400 years ago and no doubt will remember this in 400 years time. Forgive and forget doesn't go down well over there. does the Remembrance parade to the Cenotaph have any significance ? those who fail to learn the lessons of History are doomed to repeat its mistakes. Forgiveness yes. Forgetting ? not likely, just ask the British soldiers who built the bridge over the river kwai. Peace comes from mutual respect and working on it every day. Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

PalazioVecchio

south pole 22 Jan 22 12.51pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Unfortunately that about sums up the problems in that land.

They are still remembering stuff that happened 400 years ago and no doubt will remember this in 400 years time.

Forgive and forget doesn't go down well over there.

does the Remembrance parade to the Cenotaph have any significance ?

those who fail to learn the lessons of History are doomed to repeat its mistakes.

Forgiveness yes.

Forgetting ? not likely, just ask the British soldiers who built the bridge over the river kwai.

Peace comes from mutual respect and working on it every day.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 22 Jan 22 12.57pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Unfortunately that about sums up the problems in that land. They are still remembering stuff that happened 400 years ago and no doubt will remember this in 400 years time. Forgive and forget doesn't go down well over there. I think this is true for a lot of conflicts. A close friend is Irish (by descent) and after after a few glasses of vino, a lot of anti-British bile comes out. She was barely out of nappies when Bloody Sunday happened, but she prefers to source information from Irish propaganda. Likewise, I counter with a pro-British stance. Just for the fun of it. Similar with slavery. Descendants from owners or slaves have no connection with the past, other than family trees. Yet this issue is still banged on about, like somehow people from this generation are culpable. Look at Palace / Brighton rivalry. Comparatively few were around those days to even remember how it all started, but there are plenty trying to carry it on. Some things, however unpleasant, you have to let go. Referring to people who weren't actually there, as opposed to living victims Edited by Forest Hillbilly (22 Jan 2022 1.32pm) I disengage, I turn the page.

Forest Hillbilly

in a hidey-hole 22 Jan 22 12.57pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Unfortunately that about sums up the problems in that land.

They are still remembering stuff that happened 400 years ago and no doubt will remember this in 400 years time.

Forgive and forget doesn't go down well over there.

I think this is true for a lot of conflicts.
A close friend is Irish (by descent) and after after a few glasses of vino, a lot of anti-British bile comes out. She was barely out of nappies when Bloody Sunday happened, but she prefers to source information from Irish propaganda. Likewise, I counter with a pro-British stance. Just for the fun of it.

Similar with slavery. Descendants from owners or slaves have no connection with the past, other than family trees. Yet this issue is still banged on about, like somehow people from this generation are culpable.

Look at Palace / Brighton rivalry. Comparatively few were around those days to even remember how it all started, but there are plenty trying to carry it on.

Some things, however unpleasant, you have to let go. Referring to people who weren't actually there, as opposed to living victims

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (22 Jan 2022 1.32pm)

I disengage, I turn the page.

steeleye20 Croydon 22 Jan 22 1.02pm
The catalyst for Bloody Sunday, the Ballymurphy massacre of innocent civilians including women and children crossing a field at the back of their homes, was unknown to us until the inquest. After 48 years the truth and the Army admitted its darkest day in NI. So that's why, the truth must win out.

steeleye20

Croydon 22 Jan 22 1.02pm

The catalyst for Bloody Sunday, the Ballymurphy massacre of innocent civilians including women and children crossing a field at the back of their homes, was unknown to us until the inquest.

After 48 years the truth and the Army admitted its darkest day in NI.

So that's why, the truth must win out.

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 22 Jan 22 1.30pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 The catalyst for Bloody Sunday, the Ballymurphy massacre of innocent civilians including women and children crossing a field at the back of their homes, was unknown to us until the inquest. After 48 years the truth and the Army admitted its darkest day in NI. So that's why, the truth must win out. Unfortunately this happened on both sides of the conflict. All parties tend to downplay anything they did, whilst highlighting the deeds of the other. I don't think justice can be done for one side, yet not the other. I would generally believe that all the inquests and charges now are not helpful. If the gunmen are let go, then the rest have to be too. Otherwise we're at the typical one rule for one, one for another depending on the political views of the time. And both sides can offer the same arguments, obviously from different perspectives. Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 22 Jan 22 1.30pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

The catalyst for Bloody Sunday, the Ballymurphy massacre of innocent civilians including women and children crossing a field at the back of their homes, was unknown to us until the inquest.

After 48 years the truth and the Army admitted its darkest day in NI.

So that's why, the truth must win out.

Unfortunately this happened on both sides of the conflict. All parties tend to downplay anything they did, whilst highlighting the deeds of the other. I don't think justice can be done for one side, yet not the other. I would generally believe that all the inquests and charges now are not helpful. If the gunmen are let go, then the rest have to be too. Otherwise we're at the typical one rule for one, one for another depending on the political views of the time. And both sides can offer the same arguments, obviously from different perspectives.

Red and Blue Army!

Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 22 Jan 22 1.36pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 The catalyst for Bloody Sunday, the Ballymurphy massacre of innocent civilians including women and children crossing a field at the back of their homes, was unknown to us until the inquest. After 48 years the truth and the Army admitted its darkest day in NI. So that's why, the truth must win out. Truth is often the forgotten victim. It's vitally important that everything comes out, however unpleasant. No doubt, "The official Secrets Act" and other similar traits within terrorist groups will prevent this happening. ASCPFC is correct in his summary. As the Unions used to say,.."One out, all out." I disengage, I turn the page.

Forest Hillbilly

in a hidey-hole 22 Jan 22 1.36pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

The catalyst for Bloody Sunday, the Ballymurphy massacre of innocent civilians including women and children crossing a field at the back of their homes, was unknown to us until the inquest.

After 48 years the truth and the Army admitted its darkest day in NI.

So that's why, the truth must win out.

Truth is often the forgotten victim. It's vitally important that everything comes out, however unpleasant.
No doubt, "The official Secrets Act" and other similar traits within terrorist groups will prevent this happening.

ASCPFC is correct in his summary. As the Unions used to say,.."One out, all out."

I disengage, I turn the page.

Badger11 Beckenham 22 Jan 22 1.57pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 The catalyst for Bloody Sunday, the Ballymurphy massacre of innocent civilians including women and children crossing a field at the back of their homes, was unknown to us until the inquest. After 48 years the truth and the Army admitted its darkest day in NI. So that's why, the truth must win out. Blair should have held a Truth and Reconciliation Commission for that. Anybody who appeared and told the truth would be immune from prosecution so only those who refused to appear or were caught lying would face justice. Instead Blair gave a one sided free pass to the terrorists which allows them to continue to persecute former members of the army and the police. Edited by Badger11 (22 Jan 2022 1.58pm) One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 22 Jan 22 1.57pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

The catalyst for Bloody Sunday, the Ballymurphy massacre of innocent civilians including women and children crossing a field at the back of their homes, was unknown to us until the inquest.

After 48 years the truth and the Army admitted its darkest day in NI.

So that's why, the truth must win out.

Blair should have held a Truth and Reconciliation Commission for that. Anybody who appeared and told the truth would be immune from prosecution so only those who refused to appear or were caught lying would face justice.

Instead Blair gave a one sided free pass to the terrorists which allows them to continue to persecute former members of the army and the police.

Edited by Badger11 (22 Jan 2022 1.58pm)

One more point

PalazioVecchio south pole 22 Jan 22 2.17pm
This Southern Irish Catholic Eagle believes that Ulster is British and it can stay British forever. but imagine if Bloody Sunday happened in Glasgow or Cardiff ? the British army opening fire on British citizens. And then the politicians throwing the soldiers under the bus for simply following orders. Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

PalazioVecchio

south pole 22 Jan 22 2.17pm

This Southern Irish Catholic Eagle believes that Ulster is British and it can stay British forever.

but imagine if Bloody Sunday happened in Glasgow or Cardiff ?

the British army opening fire on British citizens. And then the politicians throwing the soldiers under the bus for simply following orders.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 22 Jan 22 2.39pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio This Southern Irish Catholic Eagle believes that Ulster is British and it can stay British forever. but imagine if Bloody Sunday happened in Glasgow or Cardiff ? the British army opening fire on British citizens. And then the politicians throwing the soldiers under the bus for simply following orders. I have a lot of Irish Republic family, and what appears to be largely a consensus amongst them and their acquaintances, is that they really don't care about "the North". They'd rather it was towed into the middle of the Atlantic and have nothing to do with it. And as for accountability, I've always considered those in charge to be held responsible. This is a mis held belief, as time and again, subordinates following orders are thrown under the bus and those in charge evade justice. I disengage, I turn the page.

Forest Hillbilly

in a hidey-hole 22 Jan 22 2.39pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

This Southern Irish Catholic Eagle believes that Ulster is British and it can stay British forever.

but imagine if Bloody Sunday happened in Glasgow or Cardiff ?

the British army opening fire on British citizens. And then the politicians throwing the soldiers under the bus for simply following orders.

I have a lot of Irish Republic family, and what appears to be largely a consensus amongst them and their acquaintances, is that they really don't care about "the North". They'd rather it was towed into the middle of the Atlantic and have nothing to do with it.
And as for accountability, I've always considered those in charge to be held responsible. This is a mis held belief, as time and again, subordinates following orders are thrown under the bus and those in charge evade justice.

I disengage, I turn the page.

PalazioVecchio south pole 22 Jan 22 2.53pm
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly I have a lot of Irish Republic family, and what appears to be largely a consensus amongst them and their acquaintances, is that they really don't care about "the North". They'd rather it was towed into the middle of the Atlantic and have nothing to do with it. i believe a 3 County Northern Ireland, 100% protestant, would have been a better solution in 1922. With financial incentives to get Catholics & Protestants to relocate as required. see map below istricts_of_Northern_Ireland_by_predominant_religion.png" target="_blank">[Link] Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

PalazioVecchio

south pole 22 Jan 22 2.53pm

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

i believe a 3 County Northern Ireland, 100% protestant, would have been a better solution in 1922. With financial incentives to get Catholics & Protestants to relocate as required.

see map below

istricts_of_Northern_Ireland_by_predominant_religion.png" target="_blank">[Link]

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 22 Jan 22 3.40pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Blair should have held a Truth and Reconciliation Commission for that. Anybody who appeared and told the truth would be immune from prosecution so only those who refused to appear or were caught lying would face justice. Instead Blair gave a one sided free pass to the terrorists which allows them to continue to persecute former members of the army and the police. Edited by Badger11 (22 Jan 2022 1.58pm) 100% Badger, that traitor bLIAR has thrown those serving forces at the time(Op Banner), under the bus. This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

eagleman13

On The Road To Hell & Alicante 22 Jan 22 3.40pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Instead Blair gave a one sided free pass to the terrorists which allows them to continue to persecute former members of the army and the police.

Edited by Badger11 (22 Jan 2022 1.58pm)

100% Badger, that traitor bLIAR has thrown those serving forces at the time(Op Banner), under the bus.

This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

Stirlingsays 22 Jan 22 3.57pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio This Southern Irish Catholic Eagle believes that Ulster is British and it can stay British forever. but imagine if Bloody Sunday happened in Glasgow or Cardiff ? the British army opening fire on British citizens. And then the politicians throwing the soldiers under the bus for simply following orders. British politicians haven't stuck up for the British for decades....not since Thatcher. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

22 Jan 22 3.57pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

This Southern Irish Catholic Eagle believes that Ulster is British and it can stay British forever.

but imagine if Bloody Sunday happened in Glasgow or Cardiff ?

the British army opening fire on British citizens. And then the politicians throwing the soldiers under the bus for simply following orders.

British politicians haven't stuck up for the British for decades....not since Thatcher.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

steeleye20 Croydon 22 Jan 22 4.06pm
Originally posted by eagleman13 100% Badger, that traitor bLIAR has thrown those serving forces at the time(Op Banner), under the bus. 100% wrong. You must deal with reality to negotiate a peace. The other parties do not accept that they are terrorists, more likely that you are an occupier of their country. And in the case of Ballymurphy and Bloody Sunday what else would they do but flock to the republican flag. Blair provided the solution, he talked to the 'terrorists'. The result 20 years of peace and prosperity in NI. Tory governments prolonged the troubles for over 20 years they wore not even in contact. A further look at the troubles on iplayer will probably give you a quite different view of the pulp you were fed over NI.

steeleye20

Croydon 22 Jan 22 4.06pm

Originally posted by eagleman13

100% Badger, that traitor bLIAR has thrown those serving forces at the time(Op Banner), under the bus.

100% wrong.

You must deal with reality to negotiate a peace.

The other parties do not accept that they are terrorists, more likely that you are an occupier of their country.

And in the case of Ballymurphy and Bloody Sunday what else would they do but flock to the republican flag.

Blair provided the solution, he talked to the 'terrorists'.

The result 20 years of peace and prosperity in NI.

Tory governments prolonged the troubles for over 20 years they wore not even in contact.

A further look at the troubles on iplayer will probably give you a quite different view of the pulp you were fed over NI.

steeleye20 Croydon 22 Jan 22 4.10pm
It's quite amazing that Blair could ever be criticised over NI. Why not Mrs Thatcher with her Anglo-Irish agreement? It excluded the unionists who were outraged and the result was practically civil war.

steeleye20

Croydon 22 Jan 22 4.10pm

It's quite amazing that Blair could ever be criticised over NI.

Why not Mrs Thatcher with her Anglo-Irish agreement?

It excluded the unionists who were outraged and the result was practically civil war.

Stirlingsays 22 Jan 22 4.16pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 100% wrong. You must deal with reality to negotiate a peace. The other parties do not accept that they are terrorists, more likely that you are an occupier of their country. And in the case of Ballymurphy and Bloody Sunday what else would they do but flock to the republican flag. Blair provided the solution, he talked to the 'terrorists'. The result 20 years of peace and prosperity in NI. Tory governments prolonged the troubles for over 20 years they wore not even in contact. A further look at the troubles on iplayer will probably give you a quite different view of the pulp you were fed over NI. The Tories were actually in contact with the IRA during Thatcher's time. And when you say Blair 'talked' to the IRA far nearer to the truth is that he capitulated to them. As previous posters have stated our troops have been betrayed. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

22 Jan 22 4.16pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

100% wrong.

You must deal with reality to negotiate a peace.

The other parties do not accept that they are terrorists, more likely that you are an occupier of their country.

And in the case of Ballymurphy and Bloody Sunday what else would they do but flock to the republican flag.

Blair provided the solution, he talked to the 'terrorists'.

The result 20 years of peace and prosperity in NI.

Tory governments prolonged the troubles for over 20 years they wore not even in contact.

A further look at the troubles on iplayer will probably give you a quite different view of the pulp you were fed over NI.

The Tories were actually in contact with the IRA during Thatcher's time.

And when you say Blair 'talked' to the IRA far nearer to the truth is that he capitulated to them.

As previous posters have stated our troops have been betrayed.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Badger11 Beckenham 22 Jan 22 4.21pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 100% wrong. You must deal with reality to negotiate a peace. The other parties do not accept that they are terrorists, more likely that you are an occupier of their country. And in the case of Ballymurphy and Bloody Sunday what else would they do but flock to the republican flag. Blair provided the solution, he talked to the 'terrorists'. The result 20 years of peace and prosperity in NI. Tory governments prolonged the troubles for over 20 years they wore not even in contact. A further look at the troubles on iplayer will probably give you a quite different view of the pulp you were fed over NI. A political solution is the only option for peace I don't criticise Blair or Major for that, talking to terrorists was the only solution. I do criticise Blair in that he pardoned terrorists in jail and those on the run whilst not providing the same for the army and police. Bad things were done by both sides and any settlement should have drawn a line for everybody, the way to do that would have been a truth commission. Edited by Badger11 (22 Jan 2022 4.22pm) One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 22 Jan 22 4.21pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

100% wrong.

You must deal with reality to negotiate a peace.

The other parties do not accept that they are terrorists, more likely that you are an occupier of their country.

And in the case of Ballymurphy and Bloody Sunday what else would they do but flock to the republican flag.

Blair provided the solution, he talked to the 'terrorists'.

The result 20 years of peace and prosperity in NI.

Tory governments prolonged the troubles for over 20 years they wore not even in contact.

A further look at the troubles on iplayer will probably give you a quite different view of the pulp you were fed over NI.

A political solution is the only option for peace I don't criticise Blair or Major for that, talking to terrorists was the only solution.

I do criticise Blair in that he pardoned terrorists in jail and those on the run whilst not providing the same for the army and police. Bad things were done by both sides and any settlement should have drawn a line for everybody, the way to do that would have been a truth commission.

Edited by Badger11 (22 Jan 2022 4.22pm)

One more point

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