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rollercoaster Cornwall 14 Mar 20 2.32pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Don’t count on that. The government are about to ban all large gatherings everywhere. The premier league has just acted in advanced of that because playing squads and management teams have caught the virus. And then it’s not about contracting the virus but stretching and availability of emergency services. Police must be gutted their easy overtime shifts might be lost. My point is the government hadn't banned large gatherings when the football was suspended. It was only because Arteta & Hudson-Odoi contracted the virus and a few other players self-isolated at Leicester etc. If games had been played this weekend and maybe next surely it would make it easier to finish the season over the Summer. Playing behind closed doors is a greater danger to the public because it is much easier to catch the virus in a confined space like a pub than it is in an open space like a stadium.

rollercoaster

Cornwall 14 Mar 20 2.32pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Don’t count on that. The government are about to ban all large gatherings everywhere. The premier league has just acted in advanced of that because playing squads and management teams have caught the virus. And then it’s not about contracting the virus but stretching and availability of emergency services. Police must be gutted their easy overtime shifts might be lost.

My point is the government hadn't banned large gatherings when the football was suspended. It was only because Arteta & Hudson-Odoi contracted the virus and a few other players self-isolated at Leicester etc. If games had been played this weekend and maybe next surely it would make it easier to finish the season over the Summer.
Playing behind closed doors is a greater danger to the public because it is much easier to catch the virus in a confined space like a pub than it is in an open space like a stadium.

Rudi Hedman Caterham 14 Mar 20 2.42pm
Originally posted by rollercoaster My point is the government hadn't banned large gatherings when the football was suspended. It was only because Arteta & Hudson-Odoi contracted the virus and a few other players self-isolated at Leicester etc. If games had been played this weekend and maybe next surely it would make it easier to finish the season over the Summer. Playing behind closed doors is a greater danger to the public because it is much easier to catch the virus in a confined space like a pub than it is in an open space like a stadium. Then it was Leicester players, Everton players, Watford players, which could keep happening. Even before that there should have been no hospitality, no mixing players with anyone. No fans, opposition owners. Nobody. This was achievable. It happened at Blackburn when they got changed down the road when the ground was being redeveloped. Could be done everywhere with showering and changing in the stadiums. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 14 Mar 20 2.42pm

Originally posted by rollercoaster

Then it was Leicester players, Everton players, Watford players, which could keep happening.

Even before that there should have been no hospitality, no mixing players with anyone. No fans, opposition owners. Nobody. This was achievable. It happened at Blackburn when they got changed down the road when the ground was being redeveloped. Could be done everywhere with showering and changing in the stadiums.

COYP

Midlands Eagle 14 Mar 20 3.48pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman We are secured creditors of Manchester Utd. No we aren't. We are unsecured creditors of Manchester United

Midlands Eagle

14 Mar 20 3.48pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

We are secured creditors of Manchester Utd.

No we aren't. We are unsecured creditors of Manchester United

Rudi Hedman Caterham 14 Mar 20 3.52pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle No we aren't. We are unsecured creditors of Manchester United When we went into administration all football debts had to be settled. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 14 Mar 20 3.52pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

No we aren't. We are unsecured creditors of Manchester United

When we went into administration all football debts had to be settled.

COYP

Midlands Eagle 14 Mar 20 4.39pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman When we went into administration all football debts had to be settled. That doesn't make us secured creditors though

Midlands Eagle

14 Mar 20 4.39pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

When we went into administration all football debts had to be settled.

That doesn't make us secured creditors though

Rudi Hedman Caterham 14 Mar 20 4.40pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle That doesn't make us secured creditors though Ah but under football rules football debts have to be paid. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 14 Mar 20 4.40pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

That doesn't make us secured creditors though

Ah but under football rules football debts have to be paid.

COYP

ex hibitionist Hastings 15 Mar 20 11.27am
I'd rather follow the example of the premier league than that pr*ck in Number 10. [Link]

ex hibitionist

Hastings 15 Mar 20 11.27am

I'd rather follow the example of the premier league than that pr*ck in Number 10.

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Henry of Peckham Eton Mess 15 Mar 20 2.43pm
Depending on how the virus escalates over the next 3 weeks, I think I'd rather have matches played behind closed doors than not at all. I can't see why the matches can't be televised though? Surely, government has authority to ask broadcasters and the PL to waive restrictions in the event of an emergency? They wouldn't be the only sectors having to make a sacrifice in the circumstances. Denial is not just a river in Egypt

Henry of Peckham

Eton Mess 15 Mar 20 2.43pm

Depending on how the virus escalates over the next 3 weeks, I think I'd rather have matches played behind closed doors than not at all. I can't see why the matches can't be televised though? Surely, government has authority to ask broadcasters and the PL to waive restrictions in the event of an emergency? They wouldn't be the only sectors having to make a sacrifice in the circumstances.

Denial is not just a river in Egypt

Booted Eagle Bristol 15 Mar 20 2.53pm
Originally posted by rollercoaster Well there certainly wont be games behind closed doors. The football has only been suspended (against government advice) to protect the players and staff. The players, by the way, being the very least likely group to get a bad reaction to he virus. The decision about how to move forward will be based on the ulterior motives to the clubs. I suspect those in risk or relegation will join forces with the top 5 to declare that positions stay or such like. The teams in the middle of the table will not really care. It is only Bournemouth and Villa that would feel hard done by so would be out-voted. Completely unfair but how it might go. Also to free up the emergency services that have to be around all major sporting events. Supposedly the banning of large scale events doesn't have a great effect on the virus, it's the strain on the services. “ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ” —United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld

Booted Eagle

Bristol 15 Mar 20 2.53pm

Originally posted by rollercoaster

Well there certainly wont be games behind closed doors. The football has only been suspended (against government advice) to protect the players and staff.
The players, by the way, being the very least likely group to get a bad reaction to he virus.

The decision about how to move forward will be based on the ulterior motives to the clubs. I suspect those in risk or relegation will join forces with the top 5 to declare that positions stay or such like. The teams in the middle of the table will not really care. It is only Bournemouth and Villa that would feel hard done by so would be out-voted. Completely unfair but how it might go.

Also to free up the emergency services that have to be around all major sporting events. Supposedly the banning of large scale events doesn't have a great effect on the virus, it's the strain on the services.

“ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ”
—United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld

pssguy 15 Mar 20 3.36pm
Originally posted by rollercoaster Playing behind closed doors is a greater danger to the public because it is much easier to catch the virus in a confined space like a pub than it is in an open space like a stadium. But how long are pubs going to remain open> Other European countries are cutting down on any outside socializing right now

pssguy

15 Mar 20 3.36pm

Originally posted by rollercoaster

Playing behind closed doors is a greater danger to the public because it is much easier to catch the virus in a confined space like a pub than it is in an open space like a stadium.

But how long are pubs going to remain open> Other European countries are cutting down on any outside socializing right now

Vaibow vancouver/croydon 15 Mar 20 4.20pm
If it were me, I would self isolate the club, after two weeks see who is fit and ready to play - this includes all back room staff too and a core skeleton crew for the stadium. I would then also keep referees in isolation. I would then play out the rest of the season on Saturdays and Wednesdays and get 9 matches done in a month. Just view it as tournament camp - to be honest, for 40k+ a week, it's no drama. Think about it, other businesses are still running - sainsburys, how many staff are wandering around the aisle and staff room? Also, as an after thought - the champ and lower leagues - if the same can be done for them, great, if not, void the league and the promotion prize money distributed to the clubs as compensation. The alternative is a way bigger, expensive headache. Edited by Vaibow (15 Mar 2020 4.24pm) This was once a quality forum....

Vaibow

vancouver/croydon 15 Mar 20 4.20pm

If it were me, I would self isolate the club, after two weeks see who is fit and ready to play - this includes all back room staff too and a core skeleton crew for the stadium.

I would then also keep referees in isolation.

I would then play out the rest of the season on Saturdays and Wednesdays and get 9 matches done in a month.

Just view it as tournament camp - to be honest, for 40k+ a week, it's no drama.

Think about it, other businesses are still running - sainsburys, how many staff are wandering around the aisle and staff room?

Also, as an after thought - the champ and lower leagues - if the same can be done for them, great, if not, void the league and the promotion prize money distributed to the clubs as compensation.

The alternative is a way bigger, expensive headache.

Edited by Vaibow (15 Mar 2020 4.24pm)

This was once a quality forum....

Booted Eagle Bristol 15 Mar 20 5.06pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC I’m not so sure. I think they will find some way to promote/relegate La Liga already considering developing a formula, for example. Surely this has precedent - there must have been one season where it either finished prematurely or one that had a pause and restarted? y=mx+c where m= league position, x = number of points and c = amount of money in the bank. Well done Barcelona and Real Madrid. “ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ” —United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld

Booted Eagle

Bristol 15 Mar 20 5.06pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

I’m not so sure. I think they will find some way to promote/relegate

La Liga already considering developing a formula, for example.

Surely this has precedent - there must have been one season where it either finished prematurely or one that had a pause and restarted?

y=mx+c where m= league position, x = number of points and c = amount of money in the bank. Well done Barcelona and Real Madrid.

Badger11 Beckenham 15 Mar 20 5.18pm
Originally posted by Booted Eagle y=mx+c where m= league position, x = number of points and c = amount of money in the bank. Well done Barcelona and Real Madrid. Or for the PL we could use the BBC Brexit's formula in which case the sum total of points bar Liverpool have more points so the scousers can't win it. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 15 Mar 20 5.18pm

Originally posted by Booted Eagle

y=mx+c where m= league position, x = number of points and c = amount of money in the bank. Well done Barcelona and Real Madrid.

Or for the PL we could use the BBC Brexit's formula in which case the sum total of points bar Liverpool have more points so the scousers can't win it.

One more point

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 15 Mar 20 7.00pm
The bar will still be out of Palace Ale. Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 15 Mar 20 7.00pm

The bar will still be out of Palace Ale.

Red and Blue Army!

Vaibow vancouver/croydon 15 Mar 20 7.53pm
In all honesty, looking at the league table and the last 5 matches for form guide, there are a few dead certs and a few unlucky clubs. At the bottom, Villa have the worse record - 4 straight losses one could argue the cups were a factor. Norwich losing too many to assume they could turn it around but are only 7 points off safety (goal difference the factor) so to deny them an opportunity would be a tad harsh. Bournemouth, Watford, West Ham all on 27 with goal difference keeping them safe/18th. Brighton look like they are headed lower in the league - they are lucky. At the top, Liverpool odds on to win league, not even a question. Top seven though, 4th to 7th could be anyones, with spurs slipping out, arsenal creeping in. Palace are on form and actually look like the only mid table team to challenge for top 7, being only 4 points away, with 27 points to play for. So it's a tad harsh on the bottom 3 clubs as they will argue they 'could' turn it around, but, their form doesn't really suggest that. So, it literally boils down to, if the league stops now and is void, Palace look to be the unlucky ones - as their form suggests European football is within touching distance, on a shoe string budget and the lucky ones look to be Brighton, who's descent into the bottom three looks halted. This was once a quality forum....

Vaibow

vancouver/croydon 15 Mar 20 7.53pm

In all honesty, looking at the league table and the last 5 matches for form guide, there are a few dead certs and a few unlucky clubs.

At the bottom, Villa have the worse record - 4 straight losses one could argue the cups were a factor. Norwich losing too many to assume they could turn it around but are only 7 points off safety (goal difference the factor) so to deny them an opportunity would be a tad harsh. Bournemouth, Watford, West Ham all on 27 with goal difference keeping them safe/18th.

Brighton look like they are headed lower in the league - they are lucky.

At the top, Liverpool odds on to win league, not even a question. Top seven though, 4th to 7th could be anyones, with spurs slipping out, arsenal creeping in. Palace are on form and actually look like the only mid table team to challenge for top 7, being only 4 points away, with 27 points to play for.

So it's a tad harsh on the bottom 3 clubs as they will argue they 'could' turn it around, but, their form doesn't really suggest that.

So, it literally boils down to, if the league stops now and is void, Palace look to be the unlucky ones - as their form suggests European football is within touching distance, on a shoe string budget and the lucky ones look to be Brighton, who's descent into the bottom three looks halted.

This was once a quality forum....

Rudi Hedman Caterham 15 Mar 20 8.35pm
Originally posted by Vaibow In all honesty, looking at the league table and the last 5 matches for form guide, there are a few dead certs and a few unlucky clubs. At the bottom, Villa have the worse record - 4 straight losses one could argue the cups were a factor. Norwich losing too many to assume they could turn it around but are only 7 points off safety (goal difference the factor) so to deny them an opportunity would be a tad harsh. Bournemouth, Watford, West Ham all on 27 with goal difference keeping them safe/18th. Brighton look like they are headed lower in the league - they are lucky. At the top, Liverpool odds on to win league, not even a question. Top seven though, 4th to 7th could be anyones, with spurs slipping out, arsenal creeping in. Palace are on form and actually look like the only mid table team to challenge for top 7, being only 4 points away, with 27 points to play for. So it's a tad harsh on the bottom 3 clubs as they will argue they 'could' turn it around, but, their form doesn't really suggest that. So, it literally boils down to, if the league stops now and is void, Palace look to be the unlucky ones - as their form suggests European football is within touching distance, on a shoe string budget and the lucky ones look to be Brighton, who's descent into the bottom three looks halted. European football would do us no favours and I’d take the place money now looking at our run in. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 15 Mar 20 8.35pm

Originally posted by Vaibow

In all honesty, looking at the league table and the last 5 matches for form guide, there are a few dead certs and a few unlucky clubs.

Brighton look like they are headed lower in the league - they are lucky.

So it's a tad harsh on the bottom 3 clubs as they will argue they 'could' turn it around, but, their form doesn't really suggest that.

European football would do us no favours and I’d take the place money now looking at our run in.

COYP

Vaibow vancouver/croydon 15 Mar 20 8.45pm
Ofcourse, it's all ifs and buts - just saying, as it stands, how things look. Most of us know, as you rightly said, Europe would ruin us, parish wouldn't invest for it, doesn't even invest for the league. I said months ago, that if we did ever get Europe and things panned out, financially as they have been, I would just let the fans in for free and say 'don't expect us to properly compete, so with that in mind, it's free to go to" The gate receipt isn't anything crazy for a club, the fans would love it - the money spent at selhurst would help cover costs. I would honestly look at it as pre season friendly style. It ruined Burnley, Wolves are enjoying it but come on we all know a club needs to squad and money for it. This was once a quality forum....

Vaibow

vancouver/croydon 15 Mar 20 8.45pm

Ofcourse, it's all ifs and buts - just saying, as it stands, how things look.

Most of us know, as you rightly said, Europe would ruin us, parish wouldn't invest for it, doesn't even invest for the league.

I said months ago, that if we did ever get Europe and things panned out, financially as they have been, I would just let the fans in for free and say 'don't expect us to properly compete, so with that in mind, it's free to go to"

The gate receipt isn't anything crazy for a club, the fans would love it - the money spent at selhurst would help cover costs.

I would honestly look at it as pre season friendly style.

It ruined Burnley, Wolves are enjoying it but come on we all know a club needs to squad and money for it.

This was once a quality forum....

dannyboy1978 12 Apr 20 9.32pm
Is it out the relmes the government buys the remainder of the premier league from sky& BT and broadcast it on BBC for everyone to see. Show each game every day and huge amounts of people will stay in to watch.

dannyboy1978

12 Apr 20 9.32pm

Is it out the relmes the government buys the remainder of the premier league from sky& BT
and broadcast it on BBC for everyone to see.
Show each game every day and huge amounts of people will stay in to watch.

Henry of Peckham Eton Mess 12 Apr 20 9.46pm
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 Is it out the relmes the government buys the remainder of the premier league from sky& BT and broadcast it on BBC for everyone to see. Show each game every day and huge amounts of people will stay in to watch. Yes ... taxpayer's money is sorely needed elsewhere. Sky and BT will start charging customers again to watch any televised matches but if they are all played behind closed doors we should ask for 22% of our current season ticket money to be refunded. Denial is not just a river in Egypt

Henry of Peckham

Eton Mess 12 Apr 20 9.46pm

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Yes ... taxpayer's money is sorely needed elsewhere.

Sky and BT will start charging customers again to watch any televised matches but if they are all played behind closed doors we should ask for 22% of our current season ticket money to be refunded.

Denial is not just a river in Egypt

dannyboy1978 12 Apr 20 9.53pm
Originally posted by Henry of Peckham Yes ... taxpayer's money is sorely needed elsewhere. Sky and BT will start charging customers again to watch any televised matches but if they are all played behind closed doors we should ask for 22% of our current season ticket money to be refunded. Keeping people in watching footy will saves lives and money in the NHS, if we are spending hundreds on millions on foreign aid then the tax payer should be looked after. It's a win win for everyone. I'll forgo my season ticket in these special times if I get all the game's on TV.

dannyboy1978

12 Apr 20 9.53pm

Originally posted by Henry of Peckham

Yes ... taxpayer's money is sorely needed elsewhere.

Sky and BT will start charging customers again to watch any televised matches but if they are all played behind closed doors we should ask for 22% of our current season ticket money to be refunded.

Keeping people in watching footy will saves lives and money in the NHS, if we are spending hundreds on millions on foreign aid then the tax payer should be looked after.

It's a win win for everyone. I'll forgo my season ticket in these special times if I get all the game's on TV.

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