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Is It Time For Roy To Go, Yes or NO
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 Booted Eagle  Bristol 01 Jul 20 5.51pm |
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Originally posted by AERO
This is a pivotal time for cpfc in my opinion. Time to sort Zaha fiasco out once and for all ! Either cash in or build team around him .We need to invest this summer no doubt or we will be relegated next year for sure.We have an ageing squad, looks like no real talent emerging from within and Roy has done well but not the future.From this moment on we need to upgrade and improve. Good points which could easily be quoted this time last year. Unfortunately we haven't addressed any of this over a year, particularly in relation to 2 transfer windows.
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| Elpis In a pub 01 Jul 20 8.27pm |
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Originally posted by cpj
The question is what do you go to games for? If it's only the result that matters then you might as well just stay at home and check the table every week. I go in the hope that I will enjoy an entertaining game with my club trying to score goals. That will never happen under Hodgson. This season we've scored 12 goals in 16 home games; last season it was 19 in 19 and that was only because 5 came in the last match. I want to see us using our own youngsters or buying players from the lower leagues rather than ageing has-beens or PL cast-offs like McCarthy. I'd honestly prefer to be in the Championship and enjoy games than watch this dirge under Hodgson every time. I gave up on watching entertaining football at Selhurst years ago . Around the time Pardew got the sack lol .That was probably the last time we moved the ball forward with any purpose yet there were many on here moaning about not getting results though the football was generally good .
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jeeagles  01 Jul 20 10.02pm |
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Originally posted by Barcelona Based Fan
No from me, He'll have to retire soon anyway & to sack a manager who's kept us up this long deserves to see out his time! clearly the club need to add to the squad big time & off load some dead wood. Success breads complacency. Freedman has been clearing out the deadwood and getting in decent players. Roy seems to have avoided the transfer market as he knows it's something that could get him sacked. Since he's been hear we've got rid of Jordan Mutch, Lee Chung-Young, Sako, Souare, Williams, Puncheon, Cabaye and AWB. Cabaye and Puncheon were quality but ageing. We've done nothing to replace them, what makes you think he's going to do a decent job replacing anyone else. The rest were deadwood. Sure we got £45m for AWB, but hodgson got two seasons out of him. We've also aquired Guatia, Sakho, Cahill, Kouyate, McCarthy, Sorloth, Ayew, Mayer and Banks. Plus Reidewald was signed for £10m by FDB. BFS and Pardew emptied the coffers the season before he joined, but Thompkins, Luka, PVA, and Schlupp (plus Benteke) are all expensive improvements on what went befor them On the whole, he's probably got a better squad now than any other manager since we've been in the premier league. Having Batshuari or RLC would be nice, it was a shame about Tosun's injury.
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| Rachid Rachid Rachid 01 Jul 20 10.55pm |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
Success breads complacency. Freedman has been clearing out the deadwood and getting in decent players. Roy seems to have avoided the transfer market as he knows it's something that could get him sacked. Since he's been hear we've got rid of Jordan Mutch, Lee Chung-Young, Sako, Souare, Williams, Puncheon, Cabaye and AWB. Cabaye and Puncheon were quality but ageing. We've done nothing to replace them, what makes you think he's going to do a decent job replacing anyone else. The rest were deadwood. Sure we got £45m for AWB, but hodgson got two seasons out of him. We've also aquired Guatia, Sakho, Cahill, Kouyate, McCarthy, Sorloth, Ayew, Mayer and Banks. Plus Reidewald was signed for £10m by FDB. BFS and Pardew emptied the coffers the season before he joined, but Thompkins, Luka, PVA, and Schlupp (plus Benteke) are all expensive improvements on what went befor them On the whole, he's probably got a better squad now than any other manager since we've been in the premier league. Having Batshuari or RLC would be nice, it was a shame about Tosun's injury. Roy hasn't had us close to relegation in three seasons despite inheriting a car crash in 2017 and losing a £50m defender without replacement. You were on these boards in February saying you couldn't see us winning another game.
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| MKCPFC Spain/MK 01 Jul 20 11.09pm |
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| EddieMac 02 Jul 20 7.45am |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
Success breads complacency. Freedman has been clearing out the deadwood and getting in decent players. Roy seems to have avoided the transfer market as he knows it's something that could get him sacked. Since he's been hear we've got rid of Jordan Mutch, Lee Chung-Young, Sako, Souare, Williams, Puncheon, Cabaye and AWB. Cabaye and Puncheon were quality but ageing. We've done nothing to replace them, what makes you think he's going to do a decent job replacing anyone else. The rest were deadwood. Sure we got £45m for AWB, but hodgson got two seasons out of him. We've also aquired Guatia, Sakho, Cahill, Kouyate, McCarthy, Sorloth, Ayew, Mayer and Banks. Plus Reidewald was signed for £10m by FDB. BFS and Pardew emptied the coffers the season before he joined, but Thompkins, Luka, PVA, and Schlupp (plus Benteke) are all expensive improvements on what went befor them On the whole, he's probably got a better squad now than any other manager since we've been in the premier league. Having Batshuari or RLC would be nice, it was a shame about Tosun's injury. I can’t agree with this. We have 1 actual striker at the club and when he is not injured he can’t score. We have 1 right back. Townsend is on a serious decline. We had parts of this season where we struggled to get a full team on the pitch. Yes, Roy has his faults but we have massive problems with this squad. With all that has gone on this season with injuries and lack of cover in certain positions, there is no other manager that would have kept us up. The reason we are staying in the division this year and the last couple is Roy’s tactics. They may be boring but they will keep us safe.
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| Neilsym26 Bromley 02 Jul 20 8.30am |
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Originally posted by PatrickA
Where’s the evidence no other manager could have kept us up? 100% agree, time to go I think, or at the very least look to find a suitable replacement. As soon as we went one nil down I thought thats it, we've lost this. So so predictable!!!
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| Booted Eagle Bristol 02 Jul 20 8.55am |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
Success breads complacency. Freedman has been clearing out the deadwood and getting in decent players. Roy seems to have avoided the transfer market as he knows it's something that could get him sacked. Since he's been hear we've got rid of Jordan Mutch, Lee Chung-Young, Sako, Souare, Williams, Puncheon, Cabaye and AWB. Cabaye and Puncheon were quality but ageing. We've done nothing to replace them, what makes you think he's going to do a decent job replacing anyone else. The rest were deadwood. Sure we got £45m for AWB, but hodgson got two seasons out of him. We've also aquired Guatia, Sakho, Cahill, Kouyate, McCarthy, Sorloth, Ayew, Mayer and Banks. Plus Reidewald was signed for £10m by FDB. BFS and Pardew emptied the coffers the season before he joined, but Thompkins, Luka, PVA, and Schlupp (plus Benteke) are all expensive improvements on what went befor them On the whole, he's probably got a better squad now than any other manager since we've been in the premier league. Having Batshuari or RLC would be nice, it was a shame about Tosun's injury. Very unbalanced though in terms of defense and attack. Where are the attacking options that we are willing to play ?
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 02 Jul 20 9.07am |
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Originally posted by Goal Machine
What were your feelings when we were playing open and attacking football under Pardew and losing 3-2 or 4-3 most weeks? Would you take that over steady Roy? Personally I don't think Roy is the problem (if you can call it a problem, we've comfortably survived again), we just seriously lack creativity. I'm surprised Townsend isn't playing more and I think I've finally come to terms with Meyer not being good enough. 100% yes - don’t get me wrong, when we chopped Pardew I think it was probably time, but most of his tenure was good and considerably more entertaining. And to say we were losing ‘most weeks’ is just hyperbole; the points accumulated and positions we finished under Pardew were much the same as we achieve now - the idea that Hodgson is solely responsible for us staying up, or that no one else could possibly achieve it any other way is just nonsense. It’s a choice to approach games this conservatively.
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HKOwen  Hong Kong 02 Jul 20 9.12am |
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If we end up with our best ever PL points haul would you change your opinion? Originally posted by thechaddyboy
His CV is respected but, these were many years ago. I'm all for consistency but he's beyond his best years. Done well on a budget with injuries but, given these issues you'd expect any manager with sense to raid the academy & allow them a chance but he flatly refuses to. In a window with few signings most of us raved about Camarasa only for him to be left out in the rain to rot & then we have Sorloth, so poor he's farmed out to Turkey where he's banging in goals for fun & his price soars. Might not have had much money to spend but he could at least make full use of everything we have.
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| jeeagles 02 Jul 20 9.21am |
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Originally posted by Booted Eagle
Very unbalanced though in terms of defense and attack. Where are the attacking options that we are willing to play ? We've not really had a decent attacking option since we've been in the Premiership. Benteke is the only striker who managed to get over 10 goals in a season. Murray was possibily our best option but was injured and ageing. Gayle was ok, otherwise we've been relying on the likes of Chamakh and Campbell, or Wickham (always injured).
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| jeeagles 02 Jul 20 9.27am |
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Originally posted by EddieMac
I can’t agree with this. We have 1 actual striker at the club and when he is not injured he can’t score. We have 1 right back. Townsend is on a serious decline. We had parts of this season where we struggled to get a full team on the pitch. Yes, Roy has his faults but we have massive problems with this squad. With all that has gone on this season with injuries and lack of cover in certain positions, there is no other manager that would have kept us up. The reason we are staying in the division this year and the last couple is Roy’s tactics. They may be boring but they will keep us safe. Under Pardew we had to play with Kelly at left back for 6 months after Soaure's crash.
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