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Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 21 Oct 18 9.53pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

That's not really the issue, alot of people voted leave based on xenophobia

I'm not spreading anything, I'm happy with immigration, it benefits our economy and I don't think it's a big problem

There are many on the left who believe that we have to rectify the imbalances of Britain's colonial history with a 'white guilt' by having unlimited immigration and to hell with the consequences. Of course they see zero negatives because it doesn't fit in with the strange ideology and will never accept any facts or evidence to the contrary. To query this automatically means you are a racist or xenophobe. I guess you are in that camp?

Edited by Penge Eagle (21 Oct 2018 9.54pm)

 

Pussay Patrol Flag 22 Oct 18 6.16am

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

There are many on the left who believe that we have to rectify the imbalances of Britain's colonial history with a 'white guilt' by having unlimited immigration and to hell with the consequences. Of course they see zero negatives because it doesn't fit in with the strange ideology and will never accept any facts or evidence to the contrary. To query this automatically means you are a racist or xenophobe. I guess you are in that camp?

Edited by Penge Eagle (21 Oct 2018 9.54pm)

No I see alot of issues we face in Britain whether it be the economy, the NHS, cost of living, Brexit and immigration is not high on the list yet it is usually the number one subject that concerns voters. I think to myself why is that? For me lot scaremongering by UKIP and tabloid press which tap into people's prejudices, i.e. find a section of society to blame. Just a pity so many, even intelligent people, have swallowed this pill

 


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Midlands Eagle Flag 22 Oct 18 7.53am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

I see alot of issues we face in Britain whether it be the economy, the NHS, cost of living, Brexit and immigration is not high on the list yet it is usually the number one subject that concerns voters.

Where on earth did you get that idea from?

 

Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 22 Oct 18 10.21am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

No I see alot of issues we face in Britain whether it be the economy, the NHS, cost of living, Brexit and immigration is not high on the list yet it is usually the number one subject that concerns voters. I think to myself why is that? For me lot scaremongering by UKIP and tabloid press which tap into people's prejudices, i.e. find a section of society to blame. Just a pity so many, even intelligent people, have swallowed this pill

Well why don't you research why this is the case, and look at things like jobs and wage deflation for example, instead of demonising everyone as racist?

And what about the likes of the Guardian or Independent that tap in to your prejudices? The pseudo-intellectuals. Ever thought about that?

Edited by Penge Eagle (22 Oct 2018 10.22am)

 

Pussay Patrol Flag 22 Oct 18 10.22am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Where on earth did you get that idea from?

doesn't this thread highlight that?

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 22 Oct 18 11.04am

95% there says May.

Hope for remainers still then.


 

Pussay Patrol Flag 22 Oct 18 12.40pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Well why don't you research why this is the case, and look at things like jobs and wage deflation for example, instead of demonising everyone as racist?

And what about the likes of the Guardian or Independent that tap in to your prejudices? The pseudo-intellectuals. Ever thought about that?

Edited by Penge Eagle (22 Oct 2018 10.22am)

I don't need to look for reasons why immigration is the most important issue when it isn't because i'm not pushing that agenda

I'm trying to research and understand why immigration bothers people so much in the face of facts that show it isn't a big problem (and in terms of EU freedom of movement has benefited our economy)

I want to believe it's not Xenephobia but I can't see any other reason

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 22 Oct 18 12.53pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

I don't need to look for reasons why immigration is the most important issue when it isn't because i'm not pushing that agenda

I'm trying to research and understand why immigration bothers people so much in the face of facts that show it isn't a big problem (and in terms of EU freedom of movement has benefited our economy)

I want to believe it's not Xenephobia but I can't see any other reason

I'm not sure why it matters how you feel about it.

But you can rest assured as a phobia is an irrational fear and there's nothing irrational about disliking and recognising the negatives from too many foreigners taking citizenship and jobs in the country.

You have already been shown that it's a net loss....something that will only worsen as immigrants get older and add to the aging ratio problem.


Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Oct 2018 12.54pm)

 


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Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 22 Oct 18 1.29pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol


I want to believe it's not Xenephobia but I can't see any other reason

I could list loads of reasons but I feel that it wouldn't change your mind. If you are genuinely interested, then there is a lot of information online regarding immigration and Brexit from a wide range of media outlets.

 

dannyboy1978 Flag 22 Oct 18 1.46pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

I don't need to look for reasons why immigration is the most important issue when it isn't because i'm not pushing that agenda

I'm trying to research and understand why immigration bothers people so much in the face of facts that show it isn't a big problem (and in terms of EU freedom of movement has benefited our economy)

I want to believe it's not Xenephobia but I can't see any other reason

Less police, stagnating wages, skint councils, NHS struggling, house prices to high, government still borrowing, Yes hasn't our economy done well!!

As for immigrants all I See is mass migration putting up house prices so in answer I would be happy to earn less if houses wernt so expensive and that's the fault of our government. They wanted growth on the cheap! And got it. If they governed correctly people might have actually been happy staying in the EU.


 

Pussay Patrol Flag 22 Oct 18 10.24pm

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Less police, stagnating wages, skint councils, NHS struggling, house prices to high, government still borrowing, Yes hasn't our economy done well!!

As for immigrants all I See is mass migration putting up house prices so in answer I would be happy to earn less if houses wernt so expensive and that's the fault of our government. They wanted growth on the cheap! And got it. If they governed correctly people might have actually been happy staying in the EU.


If there's a housing shortage then local and central government policy have not acted to resolve the problem, other factors such as right to buy, buy to let, ease of borrowing and lack of regulation in the housing sector all culminate in pushing up house prices. Instead of calling on these rational explanations people such as yourself look to blame another section of society, mainly from stories peddled by the right wing media

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 22 Oct 18 11.30pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

If there's a housing shortage then local and central government policy have not acted to resolve the problem, other factors such as right to buy, buy to let, ease of borrowing and lack of regulation in the housing sector all culminate in pushing up house prices. Instead of calling on these rational explanations people such as yourself look to blame another section of society, mainly from stories peddled by the right wing media


Excuse me!? What 'right wing media' is that now?

Also, blaming housing policy.....are you for real? Do you know how much it costs to build houses for low income social housing?

The very fact that hundreds of thousands of immigrants come in every year makes you point utter drivel. Even if decision makers at the local or government level wanted to build the required number of houses they couldn't.

You would need the Marshall plan.

'the problem with the left is that they run out of other people's money'.

Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Oct 2018 11.32pm)

 


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Pussay Patrol Flag 23 Oct 18 6.16am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


Excuse me!? What 'right wing media' is that now?

Also, blaming housing policy.....are you for real? Do you know how much it costs to build houses for low income social housing?

The very fact that hundreds of thousands of immigrants come in every year makes you point utter drivel. Even if decision makers at the local or government level wanted to build the required number of houses they couldn't.

You would need the Marshall plan.

'the problem with the left is that they run out of other people's money'.

Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Oct 2018 11.32pm)

There are many ways you could build social housing at low cost and if it's needed it should be done. What about the fact you cannot buy in Central London? only the mega rich can buy and that pushes up prices and spreads to the outskirts. Tax them more and use that to build more social housing

Immigration could be used as one factor for increased demand but you only pinpoint that over many contributory factors as you let your prejudices blind rational thought

Edited by Pussay Patrol (23 Oct 2018 6.17am)

 


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dannyboy1978 Flag 23 Oct 18 9.17am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

If there's a housing shortage then local and central government policy have not acted to resolve the problem, other factors such as right to buy, buy to let, ease of borrowing and lack of regulation in the housing sector all culminate in pushing up house prices. Instead of calling on these rational explanations people such as yourself look to blame another section of society, mainly from stories peddled by the right wing media

I don't think you understand my point. Ive never blamed immigrants for trying to better them selves, I blame government. Government failures to build enough housing stock have pushed up house prices so most of MY disposable income now goes towards my housing.

I then get asked to Vote, IN or OUT. I voted OUT because of OUR Government failures not immigrants. But the left keep banding Racist around,they just don't get it.

Would a business employ more workers if it didn't have the facilities to look after them ? No!

 

Stirlingsays Flag 23 Oct 18 9.40am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

There are many ways you could build social housing at low cost and if it's needed it should be done. What about the fact you cannot buy in Central London? only the mega rich can buy and that pushes up prices and spreads to the outskirts. Tax them more and use that to build more social housing

Immigration could be used as one factor for increased demand but you only pinpoint that over many contributory factors as you let your prejudices blind rational thought

Edited by Pussay Patrol (23 Oct 2018 6.17am)

What 'right wing media'?

As for the illiterate idea that's never worked.

Tax the mega rich? What's that? The top one percent? Five percent? Are you living in the past? These people aren't nationally restricted.

This is what makes me so angry about the left....Don't you understand? Being 'mega rich' means you make your money nontaxable by use of accountants. And if you could somehow change that being 'mega rich' means you can leave.

Also, do you have even the slightest idea of how much money you need to build this social housing when your own policies are welcoming 300, 000 new people a year into the country when you have millions already waiting for homes?

So this make believe of 'taxing the rich' is just for the houses then.

In reality your idea just means money accelerates away from the country 'Lewis Hamilton' style.

The far left tell the poor they will improve things by talking economic make believe when in reality the result makes the poor poorer.

In reality your 'tax' is going to fall on the middle and lower middle class.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Oct 2018 9.41am)

 


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Midlands Eagle Flag 23 Oct 18 9.44am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol


There are many ways you could build social housing at low cost and if it's needed it should be done. What about the fact you cannot buy in Central London? only the mega rich can buy and that pushes up prices and spreads to the outskirts. Tax them more and use that to build more social housing

Harold Wilson tried that with a top rate of tax of over 90% and all of the bright people pushed off to USA and other more enlightened countries leaving just the dullards to run British industry

 

Pussay Patrol Flag 23 Oct 18 10.19am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Harold Wilson tried that with a top rate of tax of over 90% and all of the bright people pushed off to USA and other more enlightened countries leaving just the dullards to run British industry

I wouldn't change income tax, i'm talking more about property taxes. I would put a tax on people with 2nd properties and increase council tax on properties over £1m. Use that to tackle homelessness and put into improving social housing

At the end of the day we have huge wealth in London and many expensive properties out of the reach of ordinary people, yet homelessness is at record levels and we allowed Grenfell to happen in one of the richest parts of the country. Big social imbalance, it's time to redress that

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 23 Oct 18 10.24am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Harold Wilson tried that with a top rate of tax of over 90% and all of the bright people pushed off to USA and other more enlightened countries leaving just the dullards to run British industry

I am sure people realise that income tax is staged and only a very few rich people paid at the 90% top band.


 

Pussay Patrol Flag 23 Oct 18 10.30am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

What 'right wing media'?

As for the illiterate idea that's never worked.

Tax the mega rich? What's that? The top one percent? Five percent? Are you living in the past? These people aren't nationally restricted.

This is what makes me so angry about the left....Don't you understand? Being 'mega rich' means you make your money nontaxable by use of accountants. And if you could somehow change that being 'mega rich' means you can leave.

Also, do you have even the slightest idea of how much money you need to build this social housing when your own policies are welcoming 300, 000 new people a year into the country when you have millions already waiting for homes?

So this make believe of 'taxing the rich' is just for the houses then.

In reality your idea just means money accelerates away from the country 'Lewis Hamilton' style.

The far left tell the poor they will improve things by talking economic make believe when in reality the result makes the poor poorer.

In reality your 'tax' is going to fall on the middle and lower middle class.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Oct 2018 9.41am)

That's not true, Lewis Hamilton's lifestyle is such that he is rarely in one place and he doesn't make his income in the UK so it makes sense for him to be based in a tax haven, you can't apply the same theory across the board

If you're happy for the rich and corporates to take advantage of taxloopholes and pay as little as possible, fine. I guess as long as ordinary folk blame immigrants for all the countries ills they can get away with it

 


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Midlands Eagle Flag 23 Oct 18 10.35am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

I wouldn't change income tax, i'm talking more about property taxes. I would put a tax on people with 2nd properties and increase council tax on properties over £1m. Use that to tackle homelessness and put into improving social housing

You'd end up with loads of bankrupt pensioners.

My parents live in an affluent Surrey suburb and they paid about £8,500 for their house some forty years ago.

The house is now approaching your target value of £1m but my 91 year old mother couldn't afford to pay any more Council Tax out of her pension and I'm guessing that her whole road is in a similar position

 

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