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 Penge Eagle  Beckenham 23 Oct 18 5.24pm |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
Stop bailing-out privately owned banks with money borrowed (with interest!) from another privately owned bank (BoE) would be a start. We'd be in a far batter position now had we let the fookers rot 10yrs ago. But that's not the way the game is played. I agree with you, they should have been left to go under and bankers jailed but the government has now been paid back.
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 23 Oct 18 5.33pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Why are you and so many others so quick to defend the rich anyway? sounds like you've swallowed the same 'it's all the immigrants fault' pill. Because the 'rich' contribute more than their fair share to the treasury – the top 1% fund 28% of the entire UK income tax revenue generated. They also provide innovation and jobs which helps our society better than any socialist government could. I don't hate the rich because I'm not a Marxist.
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Pussay Patrol  23 Oct 18 5.39pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
I agree with you regarding the housing problem but taxing the rich will not solve it. The left's answer is always to tax the rich. If you seriously think that will solve it, then give me some figures to back it up. How much money will it cost to build social housing and from your suggestions, how much money will these tax rises on the rich bring in? It is nonsense until you can back it up with figures and not populist rhetoric. Your sums do not add up. I don't need to back it up with numbers, you merely have to apply basic logic. If central London is like a millionaires playground whilst at the same time ordinary people can't afford to buy a house, homelessness it rife and council waiting lists are 10 years long, there is imbalance. Too much money at the top, not enough at the bottom. Just redress the balance
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 23 Oct 18 6.00pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
I don't need to back it up with numbers, you merely have to apply basic logic. If central London is like a millionaires playground whilst at the same time ordinary people can't afford to buy a house, homelessness it rife and council waiting lists are 10 years long, there is imbalance. Too much money at the top, not enough at the bottom. Just redress the balance
You absolutely do need numbers. The magic money tree doesn't exist. Shouting problems and no workable solution, that needs to be based on facts and figures, is worthless.
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| Stuk Top half 23 Oct 18 7.08pm |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
Very true but if your moving to save tax then It basically saying "sod you lot" I'm going to keep all my money and not help the poorer with my tax. Very anti left!! The two things have no relevance to one another. You can be proud to be British but still think the tax system is terrible. I don't think any state should be able to take half of anyone's earnings, especially when they're so terrible at using it in any kind of efficient or effective way. And seeing as he's not taking anything out of the system, at all, why should he help fund it? Even though he'll still actually be paying far more into the UK system than 90% of people.
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| Stuk Top half 23 Oct 18 7.13pm |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
Stop bailing-out privately owned banks with money borrowed (with interest!) from another privately owned bank (BoE) would be a start. We'd be in a far batter position now had we let the fookers rot 10yrs ago. But that's not the way the game is played. They should've let Northern Rock go, then the others would never have got into the situations they did. And even if they did, sod them too. They should also take a leaf out of the USA's book too and give the fines to the treasury rather than the s*** system the FCA has over here, which effectively gives it back to other banks.
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| Pussay Patrol 23 Oct 18 8.43pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
You absolutely do need numbers. The magic money tree doesn't exist. Shouting problems and no workable solution, that needs to be based on facts and figures, is worthless. Ah yes the magic money tree This magic money tree? [Link]
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| Pussay Patrol 23 Oct 18 8.54pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
The two things have no relevance to one another. You can be proud to be British but still think the tax system is terrible. I don't think any state should be able to take half of anyone's earnings, especially when they're so terrible at using it in any kind of efficient or effective way. And seeing as he's not taking anything out of the system, at all, why should he help fund it? Even though he'll still actually be paying far more into the UK system than 90% of people. didn't this country give him the freedom and opportunity to be able to take up the sport and made him the person he is?
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| Stuk Top half 23 Oct 18 9.20pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
didn't this country give him the freedom and opportunity to be able to take up the sport and made him the person he is? Nope. His dad's hard work gave him the opportunity and his talent did the rest.
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| Pussay Patrol 23 Oct 18 9.48pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
Nope. His dad's hard work gave him the opportunity and his talent did the rest. apologies, his dad worked hard outside the UK, he went to school outside the UK and the sports clubs and racing tracks were also outside the UK?
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| .TUX. 23 Oct 18 9.59pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
I agree with you, they should have been left to go under and bankers jailed but the government has now been paid back. Irrelevant bud as 'We the people' are still being put through the wringer 10yrs later while the financial sector are once again posting record profits. All i ever see on this site is 'capitalism'. Never the word 'crony'.
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| Pussay Patrol 23 Oct 18 10.35pm |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
Irrelevant bud as 'We the people' are still being put through the wringer 10yrs later while the financial sector are once again posting record profits. All i ever see on this site is 'capitalism'. Never the word 'crony'. I suppose they used the magic money tree when they bailed out the banks, but when it's really needed for housing and public services you can't get money from the money tree, where's it going to come from? Then when Conservatives got a kicking in the election and needed to bribe the DWP, all of a sudden 1bn suddenly appears - could it be the magic money tree?
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| dannyboy1978 23 Oct 18 11.01pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
The two things have no relevance to one another. You can be proud to be British but still think the tax system is terrible. I don't think any state should be able to take half of anyone's earnings, especially when they're so terrible at using it in any kind of efficient or effective way. And seeing as he's not taking anything out of the system, at all, why should he help fund it? Even though he'll still actually be paying far more into the UK system than 90% of people. Wasn't born here, doesn't live here, doesn't want to pay tax here. Nothing very british about that!
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| Stuk Top half 24 Oct 18 12.08am |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
apologies, his dad worked hard outside the UK, he went to school outside the UK and the sports clubs and racing tracks were also outside the UK? Where his dad worked multiple jobs, where he was schooled and where his dad paid for him to race on private tracks have no correlation to where he is now. Taxes don't provide jobs, they take your income from them, and they certainly don't pay for track time or the equipment required. School has nothing to do with any of it, but that would've been contributed towards by the tax his parents paid as with any other child. No one pays for their own state education.
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| Stuk Top half 24 Oct 18 12.10am |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
Wasn't born here, doesn't live here, doesn't want to pay tax here. Nothing very british about that! I was referring to Hamilton, but regardless of that it's his nationality as it is Farah's. They are British, whether you like it or agree with it.
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 24 Oct 18 1.40am |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
All i ever see on this site is 'capitalism'. Never the word 'crony'. I agree crony capitalism is a problem. It's one of the many reasons why the EU is so bad. The best solution is limited government and leaving the EU. Former President of the European Commission José Manuel Barroso is the non-executive chairman at Goldman Sachs. Former German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder is chairman of Russia’s biggest oil producer Rosneft. George Osborne works for asset manager BlackRock, one day a week for £650,000-a-year. etc etc etc Edited by Penge Eagle (24 Oct 2018 1.51am)
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 24 Oct 18 8.37am |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
I don't think you understand my point. Ive never blamed immigrants for trying to better them selves, I blame government. Government failures to build enough housing stock have pushed up house prices so most of MY disposable income now goes towards my housing. I then get asked to Vote, IN or OUT. I voted OUT because of OUR Government failures not immigrants. But the left keep banding Racist around,they just don't get it. Would a business employ more workers if it didn't have the facilities to look after them ? No! Just to clarify here; you voted out to put more power in the hands of the government who have failed so badly? How do you think these failures will be improved post-brexit?
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| Stirlingsays 24 Oct 18 8.41am |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Just to clarify here; you voted out to put more power in the hands of the government who have failed so badly? How do you think these failures will be improved post-brexit?
Whereas the EU...
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 24 Oct 18 8.45am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
You'd end up with loads of bankrupt pensioners. My parents live in an affluent Surrey suburb and they paid about £8,500 for their house some forty years ago. The house is now approaching your target value of £1m but my 91 year old mother couldn't afford to pay any more Council Tax out of her pension and I'm guessing that her whole road is in a similar position This is incredible - an asset which has increased in value over a hundredfold in 40 years through nothing but lucky timing, and you’re quite literally pleading poverty.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 24 Oct 18 8.49am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Whereas the EU... As is the case now, that doesn’t address my question - the post was about government failures (mainly re housing); I want to know how voting for Brexit will improve these government failures.
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