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hedgehog50 Croydon 01 May 17 2.59pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Mark my words. Those figures are not far wrong. [Link] Of course it's politically motivated. Starving schools of funds so they have to lower the quality of kids education is a political act. A lot of 'education' these days is political eduction, force-feeding kids with liberal/left dogma - political madrasas. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 01 May 17 2.59pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Mark my words. Those figures are not far wrong. [Link]

Of course it's politically motivated. Starving schools of funds so they have to lower the quality of kids education is a political act.

A lot of 'education' these days is political eduction, force-feeding kids with liberal/left dogma - political madrasas.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

Hrolf The Ganger 01 May 17 3.08pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Sarcasm is not passive aggression. It is sarcasm. So, the letter from my daughter's primary to all parents telling them the school budget will be £40k lighter next year is fake. Thank fvck for that. I will pass on the news. Thank you, Matthew. You are aware that it has always been Labour policy to overspend and borrow, so it is hardly a surprise that the Tories always have to cut back. You do remember the parting note left by the last Labour government saying that all the money was gone? It wasn't a joke.

Hrolf The Ganger

01 May 17 3.08pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Sarcasm is not passive aggression. It is sarcasm.

So, the letter from my daughter's primary to all parents telling them the school budget will be £40k lighter next year is fake. Thank fvck for that.

I will pass on the news. Thank you, Matthew.

You are aware that it has always been Labour policy to overspend and borrow, so it is hardly a surprise that the Tories always have to cut back.
You do remember the parting note left by the last Labour government saying that all the money was gone?
It wasn't a joke.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 01 May 17 4.40pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 A lot of 'education' these days is political eduction, force-feeding kids with liberal/left dogma - political madrasas. Source? Evidence? Links? Bulls***?

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 01 May 17 4.40pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

A lot of 'education' these days is political eduction, force-feeding kids with liberal/left dogma - political madrasas.

Source? Evidence? Links? Bulls***?

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 01 May 17 4.45pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger You are aware that it has always been Labour policy to overspend and borrow, so it is hardly a surprise that the Tories always have to cut back. You do remember the parting note left by the last Labour government saying that all the money was gone? It wasn't a joke. One of the most oft repeated "economic" arguments posited by Tory party supporters is the "didn't Labour leave a note admitting there was no money left?" question, which is often used in conjunction with the absurdly counter-factual "Labour bankrupted Britain" narrative. The first thing to note about this question is that the note that was left by Liam Byrne saying that "there's no money" was intended as a joke, not as a serious statement of fact. The joke being a reiteration of the 1965 note left by the Tory Chancellor Reginald Maudling for his successor Jim Callaghan that said "good luck old cock, sorry to leave it in a mess". [Link] Going on half truths again Hrolf. Sucker.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 01 May 17 4.45pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

One of the most oft repeated "economic" arguments posited by Tory party supporters is the "didn't Labour leave a note admitting there was no money left?" question, which is often used in conjunction with the absurdly counter-factual "Labour bankrupted Britain" narrative.

The first thing to note about this question is that the note that was left by Liam Byrne saying that "there's no money" was intended as a joke, not as a serious statement of fact. The joke being a reiteration of the 1965 note left by the Tory Chancellor Reginald Maudling for his successor Jim Callaghan that said "good luck old cock, sorry to leave it in a mess".

[Link]

Going on half truths again Hrolf. Sucker.

hedgehog50 Croydon 01 May 17 4.58pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Source? Evidence? Links? Bulls***? Not many government statistics on this for some reason. But from personal knowledge, a daughter of someone I know came home from school talking about Mohammed, adding the words ‘peace be upon him’. Asked why she was saying that, she said it was what they were taught to say in school. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 01 May 17 4.58pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Source? Evidence? Links? Bulls***?

Not many government statistics on this for some reason. But from personal knowledge, a daughter of someone I know came home from school talking about Mohammed, adding the words ‘peace be upon him’. Asked why she was saying that, she said it was what they were taught to say in school.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 01 May 17 5.05pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Not many government statistics on this for some reason. But from personal knowledge, a daughter of someone I know came home from school talking about Mohammed, adding the words ‘peace be upon him’. Asked why she was saying that, she said it was what they were taught to say in school. So she's had an re lesson where kids were taught that is what Muslims say when they mention the prophet. Next time she may tell her parents about Jewish Passover or why Sikh men are allowed to carry a knife for religious reasons.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 01 May 17 5.05pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

So she's had an re lesson where kids were taught that is what Muslims say when they mention the prophet. Next time she may tell her parents about Jewish Passover or why Sikh men are allowed to carry a knife for religious reasons.

Hrolf The Ganger 01 May 17 5.15pm
Originally posted by nickgusset One of the most oft repeated "economic" arguments posited by Tory party supporters is the "didn't Labour leave a note admitting there was no money left?" question, which is often used in conjunction with the absurdly counter-factual "Labour bankrupted Britain" narrative. The first thing to note about this question is that the note that was left by Liam Byrne saying that "there's no money" was intended as a joke, not as a serious statement of fact. The joke being a reiteration of the 1965 note left by the Tory Chancellor Reginald Maudling for his successor Jim Callaghan that said "good luck old cock, sorry to leave it in a mess". [Link] Going on half truths again Hrolf. Sucker. Blah blah blah. The Tories are paying back the debt Labour created.

Hrolf The Ganger

01 May 17 5.15pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

[Link]

Going on half truths again Hrolf. Sucker.

Blah blah blah.

The Tories are paying back the debt Labour created.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 01 May 17 5.16pm
[Link] More evidence of Tory cuts to your children's education. Don't say you haven't been warned.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 01 May 17 5.16pm

[Link]

More evidence of Tory cuts to your children's education.
Don't say you haven't been warned.

Hrolf The Ganger 01 May 17 5.19pm
Originally posted by nickgusset [Link] More evidence of Tory cuts to your children's education. Don't say you haven't been warned. You mean trying to ensure that our kids and their's are saddled with huge amounts of debt repayments that the last Labour government created.....like they always do.

Hrolf The Ganger

01 May 17 5.19pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

[Link]

More evidence of Tory cuts to your children's education.
Don't say you haven't been warned.

You mean trying to ensure that our kids and their's are saddled with huge amounts of debt repayments that the last Labour government created.....like they always do.

hedgehog50 Croydon 01 May 17 5.20pm
Originally posted by nickgusset So she's had an re lesson where kids were taught that is what Muslims say when they mention the prophet. Next time she may tell her parents about Jewish Passover or why Sikh men are allowed to carry a knife for religious reasons. Mohamed is not 'the prophet', he was an Islamic prophet, and according to the Christian religion of the girl, a false prophet at that. However, of course the school does not mention that. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 01 May 17 5.20pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Mohamed is not 'the prophet', he was an Islamic prophet, and according to the Christian religion of the girl, a false prophet at that. However, of course the school does not mention that.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 01 May 17 5.38pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Blah blah blah. The Tories are paying back the debt Labour created. Any source for that or is more unsupported bollocks? "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

pefwin

Where you have to have an English ... 01 May 17 5.38pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Blah blah blah.

The Tories are paying back the debt Labour created.

Any source for that or is more unsupported bollocks?

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

Stirlingsays 01 May 17 5.50pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Mohamed is not 'the prophet', he was an Islamic prophet, and according to the Christian religion of the girl, a false prophet at that. However, of course the school does not mention that. How religious ideas are presented to children in a school should be handled extremely sensitively. If my child came home to me saying what you described I would be concerned. I'm not so certain as Nick is in how ideas are presented in school. Many teachers are professionals but not all teachers. Some are pretty poor when comes to keeping their own personal agendas out of what they teach over time....though I can say that in the schools I've worked in I never saw a problem with RE...as they use to call it. Edited by Stirlingsays (01 May 2017 5.51pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

01 May 17 5.50pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Mohamed is not 'the prophet', he was an Islamic prophet, and according to the Christian religion of the girl, a false prophet at that. However, of course the school does not mention that.

How religious ideas are presented to children in a school should be handled extremely sensitively.

If my child came home to me saying what you described I would be concerned. I'm not so certain as Nick is in how ideas are presented in school. Many teachers are professionals but not all teachers. Some are pretty poor when comes to keeping their own personal agendas out of what they teach over time....though I can say that in the schools I've worked in I never saw a problem with RE...as they use to call it.

Edited by Stirlingsays (01 May 2017 5.51pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 01 May 17 5.57pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Mohamed is not 'the prophet', he was an Islamic prophet, and according to the Christian religion of the girl, a false prophet at that. However, of course the school does not mention that. I apologise for using the wrong determiner. The re curriculum at primary level is about beliefs and practices of different religions. Whether theological arguments about what prophets are false according to what scripture I don't know. But teaching kids that Muslims use pbuh is not leftist political dogma. You are really really clutching at straws.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 01 May 17 5.57pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Mohamed is not 'the prophet', he was an Islamic prophet, and according to the Christian religion of the girl, a false prophet at that. However, of course the school does not mention that.

I apologise for using the wrong determiner.
The re curriculum at primary level is about beliefs and practices of different religions.

Whether theological arguments about what prophets are false according to what scripture I don't know.

But teaching kids that Muslims use pbuh is not leftist political dogma. You are really really clutching at straws.

Rudi Hedman Caterham 01 May 17 6.01pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays How religious ideas are presented to children in a school should be handled extremely sensitively. If my child came home to me saying what you described I would be concerned. I'm not so certain as Nick is in how ideas are presented in school. Many teachers are professionals but not all teachers. Some are pretty poor when comes to keeping their own personal agendas out of what they teach over time....though I can say that in the schools I've worked in I never saw a problem with RE...as they use to call it. Edited by Stirlingsays (01 May 2017 5.51pm) Years ago in my RE class someone brought up Zionism. What they said I can't remember. The teacher had a Polish surname and a Jewish bias, saying the land was originally their's. Wasn't part of the curriculum. Only things like beliefs, religious holidays and customs were. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 01 May 17 6.01pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

How religious ideas are presented to children in a school should be handled extremely sensitively.

Edited by Stirlingsays (01 May 2017 5.51pm)

Years ago in my RE class someone brought up Zionism. What they said I can't remember. The teacher had a Polish surname and a Jewish bias, saying the land was originally their's. Wasn't part of the curriculum. Only things like beliefs, religious holidays and customs were.

COYP

matt_himself Matataland 01 May 17 6.02pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Sarcasm is not passive aggression. It is sarcasm. So, the letter from my daughter's primary to all parents telling them the school budget will be £40k lighter next year is fake. Thank fvck for that. I will pass on the news. Thank you, Matthew. It probably doesn't exist. I don't believe much you post on here. Most of it is said for effect to try and 'win' debate - for example your 'evangelical chum' and all of the 'black mates' you had in Croydon. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 01 May 17 6.02pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Sarcasm is not passive aggression. It is sarcasm.

So, the letter from my daughter's primary to all parents telling them the school budget will be £40k lighter next year is fake. Thank fvck for that.

I will pass on the news. Thank you, Matthew.

It probably doesn't exist. I don't believe much you post on here. Most of it is said for effect to try and 'win' debate - for example your 'evangelical chum' and all of the 'black mates' you had in Croydon.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

hedgehog50 Croydon 01 May 17 6.07pm
Originally posted by nickgusset I apologise for using the wrong determiner. The re curriculum at primary level is about beliefs and practices of different religions. Whether theological arguments about what prophets are false according to what scripture I don't know. But teaching kids that Muslims use pbuh is not leftist political dogma. You are really really clutching at straws. This is why anyone with common sense and concern for their children and grandchildren should not vote for liberal left candidates who would agree with you. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 01 May 17 6.07pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

I apologise for using the wrong determiner.
The re curriculum at primary level is about beliefs and practices of different religions.

Whether theological arguments about what prophets are false according to what scripture I don't know.

But teaching kids that Muslims use pbuh is not leftist political dogma. You are really really clutching at straws.

This is why anyone with common sense and concern for their children and grandchildren should not vote for liberal left candidates who would agree with you.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

Hrolf The Ganger 01 May 17 6.16pm
Originally posted by pefwin Any source for that or is more unsupported bollocks? Yeah. The figures Nick himself posted the other day for starters.

Hrolf The Ganger

01 May 17 6.16pm

Originally posted by pefwin

Any source for that or is more unsupported bollocks?

Yeah. The figures Nick himself posted the other day for starters.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 01 May 17 6.23pm
Originally posted by matt_himself It probably doesn't exist. I don't believe much you post on here. Most of it is said for effect to try and 'win' debate - for example your 'evangelical chum' and all of the 'black mates' you had in Croydon. [Link] [Link] letter to parents re funding cuts March 2017 9th March 2017 Dear Parent/Carer, School Funding Changes You may have seen or read about the ongoing situation with school funding on the news recently so I am writing to update you on how these issues impact upon our school. The government are changing the way that money will be allocated per pupil (this is the new National Funding Formula). The NFF aims to spread funds more evenly regardless of geographical location. Whilst we agree that this is a fairer way to fund schools, what is clear is that the Government does not have enough money in the system for this to happen without many schools losing out. The amount that Hollymount will receive per pupil is forecast to reduce (an average £210 in Merton). This means that in 2018/19, Hollymount will face a £100,000 reduction on its current budget of £1,500,000. The school's costs are going up; National Insurance and pension contributions, utilities and services have all increased significantly. From April 2017, all schools will have to pay a 0.5% Apprenticeship levy. As you can see, the school is facing significant financial challenges and I wanted to share this with you so that you begin to understand why things will inevitably have to change as a result of this. I will of course be working with governors to ensure we do whatever we can to limit the worst effects of the cuts and Robert Hatley, Chair of Governors, and myself are due to meet with our local MP, Stephen Hammond so that he is aware of the negative impact such cuts will have on our school. I would also encourage you to get in touch with your local MP to ask them what they are doing to protect schools in the area and also sign the petition which has been set up online at [Link] You can also find more information at [Link] a parent-led website (leaflet attached). You could also support by responding to the DFE consultation (by 22 March 2017): [Link] I am sorry if this letter makes for some difficult reading however I feel it is important to let you know of the challenges we are facing at the school with regards to funding so you can better understand what is happening. As ever, I am very grateful for the support parents give – in a myriad of ways – to our school. Yours sincerely, Philippa Jackson Headteacher [Link] [Link] [Link] [Link] People can stick their heads in the sand over this and deny it. That's their prerogative. But the cuts are happening, they are going to leave schools in the s*** financially and staff redundancies will affect the quality of Education. So if you are happy about this happening, vote Tory.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 01 May 17 6.23pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

[Link]

[Link]

letter to parents re funding cuts March 2017

9th March 2017

Dear Parent/Carer,

School Funding Changes

You may have seen or read about the ongoing situation with school funding on the news recently so I am
writing to update you on how these issues impact upon our school.
The government are changing the way that money will be allocated per pupil (this is the new
National Funding Formula). The NFF aims to spread funds more evenly regardless of geographical
location. Whilst we agree that this is a fairer way to fund schools, what is clear is that the
Government does not have enough money in the system for this to happen without many schools
losing out.
The amount that Hollymount will receive per pupil is forecast to reduce (an average £210 in
Merton). This means that in 2018/19, Hollymount will face a £100,000 reduction on its current
budget of £1,500,000.
The school's costs are going up; National Insurance and pension contributions, utilities and
services have all increased significantly. From April 2017, all schools will have to pay a 0.5%
Apprenticeship levy.
As you can see, the school is facing significant financial challenges and I wanted to share this with you
so that you begin to understand why things will inevitably have to change as a result of this.
I will of course be working with governors to ensure we do whatever we can to limit the worst effects
of the cuts and Robert Hatley, Chair of Governors, and myself are due to meet with our local MP,
Stephen Hammond so that he is aware of the negative impact such cuts will have on our school. I
would also encourage you to get in touch with your local MP to ask them what they are doing to
protect schools in the area and also sign the petition which has been set up online at [Link]
You can also find more information at [Link] a parent-led website (leaflet
attached).

You could also support by responding to the DFE consultation (by 22 March 2017):
[Link]
I am sorry if this letter makes for some difficult reading however I feel it is important to let you know
of the challenges we are facing at the school with regards to funding so you can better understand
what is happening. As ever, I am very grateful for the support parents give – in a myriad of ways – to
our school.

Yours sincerely,

Philippa Jackson
Headteacher

[Link]

People can stick their heads in the sand over this and deny it. That's their prerogative.
But the cuts are happening, they are going to leave schools in the s*** financially and staff redundancies will affect the quality of Education.
So if you are happy about this happening, vote Tory.

Kermit8 Hevon 01 May 17 6.23pm
Originally posted by matt_himself It probably doesn't exist. I don't believe much you post on here. Most of it is said for effect to try and 'win' debate - for example your 'evangelical chum' and all of the 'black mates' you had in Croydon. I will tell Vittorio, Richard, Jackie and Jay that they don't exist and never have next time i see them. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 01 May 17 6.23pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

I will tell Vittorio, Richard, Jackie and Jay that they don't exist and never have next time i see them.

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 01 May 17 6.24pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Yeah. The figures Nick himself posted the other day for starters. So you agree with the stats to support your own argument? There are valid reasons why lending went up, easily supportable but no one seems that interested. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

pefwin

Where you have to have an English ... 01 May 17 6.24pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Yeah. The figures Nick himself posted the other day for starters.

So you agree with the stats to support your own argument?

There are valid reasons why lending went up, easily supportable but no one seems that interested.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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