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Gary St.Andrews Flag Kenley 29 Jun 19 10.24am

Originally posted by midlandspalace

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49 clubs have been in the Premier league since it started. There are currently 20 places in the league. The "top 6" are untouchable in terms of revenue and spending power, unless another club gets taken over by a sovereign wealth fund (Norway anyone?) to use as publicity without any concern about losses.

Only 19 teams on that list have more seasons than us, and that includes 7 clubs who are now not in the Premier League.

There are a number of posters here who need to get a sense of perspective. The whole tenor of this board has changed since we have had a long spell in the top division. We have no divine right to be here, and all 14 teams outside the top six are in danger of being relegated at any time.

Yes I know some here are bored with the "I've watched Palace for 50+ years in all divisions" group, but at least we are supporters who watch the club wherever they are in the league. There is a generation of fans who have grown up knowing nothing but the Premier League, grown up watching wall to wall football on tv, and think that life only exists in the Premier League.

Will I disappointed if we get relegated? of course I will. Will i still support Palace? of course I will.

Look again at that list of 49 clubs, and enjoy what we have whilst we have it. We are more successful now than we have ever been. We have some of the best players we have ever had. The moaning that goes on here is just unbelievable.

Rant over, feel free to throw things.

Every football fan has their take on things, it’s a view from their own perspective. Now I haven’t followed the club for 50 years yet, but I have seen more lows than highs for sure, so we have a lot more to grumble about than a lot of fans of other clubs...

 

NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 29 Jun 19 10.25am

Originally posted by midlandspalace

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49 clubs have been in the Premier league since it started. There are currently 20 places in the league. The "top 6" are untouchable in terms of revenue and spending power, unless another club gets taken over by a sovereign wealth fund (Norway anyone?) to use as publicity without any concern about losses.

Only 19 teams on that list have more seasons than us, and that includes 7 clubs who are now not in the Premier League. Only 6 teams on that list have never been relegated. This is the first spell we have had in the Premier League without getting relegated after one season.

There are a number of posters here who need to get a sense of perspective. The whole tenor of this board has changed since we have had a long spell in the top division. We have no divine right to be here, and all 14 teams outside the top six are in danger of being relegated at any time.

Yes I know some here are bored with the "I've watched Palace for 50+ years in all divisions" group, but at least we are supporters who watch the club wherever they are in the league. There is a generation of fans who have grown up knowing nothing but the Premier League, grown up watching wall to wall football on tv, and think that life only exists in the Premier League.

Will I disappointed if we get relegated? of course I will. Will i still support Palace? of course I will.

Look again at that list of 49 clubs, and enjoy what we have whilst we have it. We are more successful now than we have ever been. We have some of the best players we have ever had. The moaning that goes on here is just unbelievable.

Rant over, feel free to throw things.

Edited by midlandspalace (29 Jun 2019 10.21am)

Well I'm bored with one of that group in particular ! And I'm in the group myself.

Good rant !

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 29 Jun 19 10.52am

Originally posted by TheExpatEagle

It's a bad deal all around.

Parish wanted £60m. We got £45m + £5m
Parish wanted 25% Wilf clause dropped. They said no.
We didn't need to sell, player said he want to go so we sold.

AWB was on £10k is now on £80k but most players signed for over m are on £200k. Walker at Man City, Benteke, Sakho even Cabaye was on more when we got him for £10m.

AWB is a pretty poor wage deal considering.

Man United are the winners. Parish backed down, AWB accepted less than he deserved. That's my summary.

AWB’s wage will rise as he proves himself.

 


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dreamwaverider Flag London 29 Jun 19 11.45am

Good on Parish sticking the boot in and getting a sell on clause. The top clubs need to be a little bit more giving in these deals. Without the lower clubs there would be no league. We don’t survive on nothing. We need a good deal to keep the premier alive and competitive. Liverpool gave us such a rotten deal with Benteke and sahko. Looks like SP has learnt well. Blooody northern b*******s.
at least Chelsea are half decent with us.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 29 Jun 19 11.52am

Originally posted by NEILLO

And what do you propose to do to stop the board doing what they want then ? My guess is sweet F.A. You did mention giving up your season ticket - good, there's a waiting list for them so you have the chance to make someone happy.

You talk about a lack of ambition - ok, would you care to share what you think Palace should be aiming for and how you think they can achieve it ?


Edited by NEILLO (29 Jun 2019 1.32am)

Sure.

Sell the club to richer owners who have a desire to win something.

Improve scouting and stop wasting money on poor players.

Get the ground redeveloped properly.

Buy/build a better training facility.

Stop selling your best talent to PL rivals.

Man City was a nothing club and look where they are now.

Money talks.

 

Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 29 Jun 19 11.59am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Sure.

Sell the club to richer owners who have a desire to win something.

Improve scouting and stop wasting money on poor players.

Get the ground redeveloped properly.

Buy/build a better training facility.

Stop selling your best talent to PL rivals.

Man City was a nothing club and look where they are now.

Money talks.

I agree with you, only we have major US shareholders that don’t want to invest and our scouting and recruitment apart from a couple of windows has been poor. Again, that is partly why we’re in the financial position we’re in, we’re hamstrung on transfer activity and have to sell to buy.

Also, as you know, getting new owners isn’t that easy, and your plan of living by off loans only because we have practically nothing to spend with and keeping every single good player isn’t a concrete plan because you can end up with some right wastes of time and space.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 29 Jun 19 12.05pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

I agree with you, only we have major US shareholders that don’t want to invest and our scouting and recruitment apart from a couple of windows has been poor. Again, that is partly why we’re in the financial position we’re in, we’re hamstrung on transfer activity and have to sell to buy.

Also, as you know, getting new owners isn’t that easy, and your plan of living by off loans only because we have practically nothing to spend with and keeping every single good player isn’t a concrete plan because you can end up with some right wastes of time and space.

The sooner they sell the club better now.

 

ChrisGC Flag Wantage 29 Jun 19 12.11pm

Originally posted by TheExpatEagle

It's a bad deal all around.

Parish wanted £60m. We got £45m + £5m
Parish wanted 25% Wilf clause dropped. They said no.
We didn't need to sell, player said he want to go so we sold.

AWB was on £10k is now on £80k but most players signed for over m are on £200k. Walker at Man City, Benteke, Sakho even Cabaye was on more when we got him for £10m.

AWB is a pretty poor wage deal considering.

Man United are the winners. Parish backed down, AWB accepted less than he deserved. That's my summary.

Hard to argue with facts, good post.

 

NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 29 Jun 19 12.25pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Sure.

Sell the club to richer owners who have a desire to win something.

Improve scouting and stop wasting money on poor players.

Get the ground redeveloped properly.

Buy/build a better training facility.

Stop selling your best talent to PL rivals.

Man City was a nothing club and look where they are now.

Money talks.

So you basically want Palace to be another Chelsea / Man City ?

You make it sound so simple - but it isn't.

We already have billionaire owners. On the face of it, their contribution has been minimal. And now they want to sell their shares and that has been the case for some months now. Despite a few rumours I have seen no evidence of a serious offer being made.

Improve scouting - yes, that certainly needs to be done and should be achievable. But first I think there has to be recognition within the club that it is actually an issue - not seeing that at all. There has been a shift in how they go about their business but it's still all reporting into DF.

Get the ground redeveloped - as you well know that is work in progress albeit at snails pace. You can't just wave a magic wand and it happens.

The Academy is being invested in - I'm not aware of a burning requirement to replace the training ground.

Are Man Utd our '' rivals '' ? I think not.

Money talks indeed and potentially new ownership could address some of what needs to be done. But at the moment we have the same ownership as a year ago and we are where we are.

One of the big differences is my mentality v. yours is that you seem to struggle with the reality of the situation as it is now.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 29 Jun 19 1.00pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The sooner they sell the club better now.

Yep. But how long that’ll take in real life is guesswork.

We cannot rely on getting by on loans.

 


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fishbone Flag London 29 Jun 19 1.04pm

Really sad to see him go but am glad that he is going places and will experience European football which I don't feel will happen with palace within the next 3 years!!

 

pompeyeagle Flag Relocated to Shropshire 29 Jun 19 1.17pm

Originally posted by Gary St.Andrews

Time will tell and if we are bottom 3 at Christmas after selling AWB and Wilf, who’s going to say “ you know what this wasn’t such a great move”

Selling those 2 isn’t going to make us a better side for sure, and let’s not forget how s*** our home form has been for 3 seasons now.

Away from home Wilf was our get out of jail free card and we won’t have that luxury anymore.

We are nailed on to get relegated....

I think it’s a bit premature to start talking about relegation. I’m sure the fans of the three sides who came up have a lot more to worry about than we have as do probably Brighton. Clearly whether Wilf goes or not we are going to need several additions to the squad and I’m sure they will arrive in due course. Still six weeks to go so no need to panic yet.

 

cp forever Flag south london 29 Jun 19 1.30pm

I am really very sad not to see AWB play again in our colours and I will miss watching him. I assume he wanted to go when the offer was seen as serious and why wouldn't he want to take the chance when it comes. I also think whatever the club's situation if the player is turned by agents etc etc then what can they do but put a very high price on him...that didn't work so away he goes, I wish him well but not that well now he plays for MU, will always watch as wherever he goes he will always be ours.
We really don't have the power of the big clubs and we should remember that, I don't want new owners, glad to have Palace people running things, I don't think they have done that badly, but this site seems to be the repository of the feelings of badly frustrated people who are never happy with anything, sadly that dominates which makes most threads football and other a miserable experience...is it because we are established in the Prem, maybe but people love to dump stuff on here and there are quite a few very regular contributors who dominate....making for the misery.

 

Eagleshavelanded Flag Tooting 29 Jun 19 1.41pm

Took long enough:

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Canterbury Palace Flag Whitstable 29 Jun 19 1.42pm

Well, he’s gone. Pity he didn’t give us another season but there you go. Congrats to our academy for this incredible success story.

 


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Jefroc Flag Crete 29 Jun 19 3.17pm

Originally posted by cp forever

I am really very sad not to see AWB play again in our colours and I will miss watching him. I assume he wanted to go when the offer was seen as serious and why wouldn't he want to take the chance when it comes. I also think whatever the club's situation if the player is turned by agents etc etc then what can they do but put a very high price on him...that didn't work so away he goes, I wish him well but not that well now he plays for MU, will always watch as wherever he goes he will always be ours.
We really don't have the power of the big clubs and we should remember that, I don't want new owners, glad to have Palace people running things, I don't think they have done that badly, but this site seems to be the repository of the feelings of badly frustrated people who are never happy with anything, sadly that dominates which makes most threads football and other a miserable experience...is it because we are established in the Prem, maybe but people love to dump stuff on here and there are quite a few very regular contributors who dominate....making for the misery.

 


Always remembering walking from the Holmesdale to the Whitehorse end at half time!

Winch Eagle Flag Fleet, Hampshire 29 Jun 19 3.24pm

I have to say that the money offered for AWB really could bit be turned down.
I think that United are paying a lot for potential.
I KNOW what an outstanding defensive full back he is, in my opinion the best in the league, but Manchester United will want more than that.
He will be expected to be a lot more creative than he was at Palace.. get used to a team playing with the majority of possession and expect to be as much as an attacking threat as a defensive rock.
I am not sure he is at point in time capable of playing as a wing back and is certainly far from the finished article and at times poor on the attacking 3rd.
At that next level he will need a lot of work.
I hope I am wrong.
Aa for is it good money for him, well that dependeds on what the fans think is good money, translated to transfer business and what the club does with the money on the pitch..and what the club thinks ,investment in the ground and non playing side.
I fear if we feel we are going to splash all of the fee on new players we may be unhappy bunnies.

 


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Jefroc Flag Crete 29 Jun 19 3.27pm

Originally posted by Jefroc

Well said. A lot of the negative moans on this site have resulted in me visiting this site far less often than I used to. I thank Parish for being in charge. No one is perfect and yet we are one of a very few number of professional clubs that are (predominantly) owned and run by lifelong fans.

I am so very glad that some of the fans who post on this site don’t run the club. We would be in the National League by now w and falling further if that were the case! Being a fan and running a club are two totally different thIngs. Being a fan and an owner must be something else again!

BTW good luck AWB. Mind you we look forward to a couple of own goals when you play the Eagles &#129413;&#129413;&#129413;&#10071;&#65039;

 


Always remembering walking from the Holmesdale to the Whitehorse end at half time!

Jefroc Flag Crete 29 Jun 19 3.28pm

Originally posted by cp forever

I am really very sad not to see AWB play again in our colours and I will miss watching him. I assume he wanted to go when the offer was seen as serious and why wouldn't he want to take the chance when it comes. I also think whatever the club's situation if the player is turned by agents etc etc then what can they do but put a very high price on him...that didn't work so away he goes, I wish him well but not that well now he plays for MU, will always watch as wherever he goes he will always be ours.
We really don't have the power of the big clubs and we should remember that, I don't want new owners, glad to have Palace people running things, I don't think they have done that badly, but this site seems to be the repository of the feelings of badly frustrated people who are never happy with anything, sadly that dominates which makes most threads football and other a miserable experience...is it because we are established in the Prem, maybe but people love to dump stuff on here and there are quite a few very regular contributors who dominate....making for the misery.

See my post above!

 


Always remembering walking from the Holmesdale to the Whitehorse end at half time!

PatrickA Flag London 29 Jun 19 3.54pm

Who knows - next season we could see AWB in a Man Utd shirt marking Zaha in an Arsenal shirt in a Man Utd v Arsenal game.
How many of us thought we’d see that at the end of the season?
AWB gave an interview to Palace TV at that time saying he would definitely be a Palace player next season.
Whatever happens now I recognise that players move on and the club will survive, but I feel it’s a shame that we couldn’t build an exciting team around both players.

 

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