So, in summary, you would agree that to say “I voted out for government failures” doesn’t make any sense, as they will not improve.

Yesterday the unelected EU commission told the elected Italian government that their budget was unacceptable and they should go away and redo it or face sanctions.

That's why I voted leave, why bother with elections lets save money and let the civil servants run the country.
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There's a lot of clueless remain supporters who don't really understand how the EU works. A fair number were fear mongered into remain by those governmental leaflets.....leaflets that have already been discredited.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Oct 2018 10.10am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Well, actually you related the housing point to a Brexit vote.

Hence talking about why voting 'remain' is potentially worse in having a say on housing does have relevance.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Not totally inaccurate.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

The only sensible way for us now is to revoke Article 50.

Brexit is a train going over a cliff.

I don't think I can recall a successful government project ever, any new project is by definition a complete disaster.

Our current crop of disasters have nothing to do with the EU.

D-Day was an example of meticulous planning and attention to detail, Westminster does not do any of that.

Fortunately democracy was not involved then so it was suuccessful, not that the British system has much democracy anyway.

Because Labour or Conservative shape their policies on public feeling (generally) and if you don't like their housing or immigration policies, you can vote them out. It's called democracy. UK politicians have the UK's interests at heart – not those in Brussels.

You cannot do this with the EU and have to accept free movement and its consequences no matter what. Can you not see the difference?

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They shape their manifesto on public feeling to win your vote but it's a different story when in power. Who votes for Austerity or benefit cuts? Government brings in changes which may benefit one section of society but disadvantage another, same as europe, but it's for the greater good.

EU doesn't bring in legislation to spite the UK as much as you like to think, their aim is to unify europe so we are as one and we can move and trade freely. In the main it has been a major benefit to the UK

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I genuinely don't understand what your question is? I said crony capitalism is a problem and limited, effective government – that is not corrupt – is the best solution to combat this.

I want more capitalism and less regulation and the government to actually enforce the genuine, limited regulation required – but they never seem able to do that.

A ban on politicians working for banks would be a step in the right direction but not sure it is actually enforceable.

What happens in the EU is big business and banks lobby its officials and MEPs in private and there is very little transparency, which is a bad thing. Crony capitalism is rife and I don't want the UK to be a part of that, hence a reason to vote leave.

The raft of bureaucracy the EU brings in each year can be handled by the large corporations because they have the money. But it f***s up the little guy trying to run a small business.

Edited by Penge Eagle (24 Oct 2018 1.18pm)