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Originally posted by snytaxx
I'm not here to defend, UKIP, I don't care what happens to them or any other MEP, my issue is that you seem intent to just keep blaming the electorate for why the system isn't working. This is the whole issue with the EU and why it loses / refuses to address its really sketchy democratic record. If anyone takes issue with its structure, they just turn around and say, "oh no, its not our fault our system of government doesn't fit your local populace, its their fault they don't fit into our imposed system of doing things". Literally shocking behaviour. When China and Australia signed their FTA last year, the Chinese didn't say "oh no Australia, we here in China are bigger than everyone else meaning you can only trade with us". China and Australia now have a fully functioning FTA which allows 95% tariff free trade, millions of dollars of mutual trade and thousands of working holiday visa's for ordinary Chinese citizens with the skills Australia needs. Can we have that? I'm still waiting for your link... Nope your solution is to rely on big man brussels, the head of a trade bloc that hasn't grown economically in 10 years to just bully our way in trade negotiation while still thinking we run the world. With respect, it does sound like you at
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Originally posted by JohnyBoy
With respect, it does sound like you at It's a fundamental mistake to assume that those who will vote for Brexit are solely from right of centre parties. As can be seen from my sparring with Gusset, the EU is alot more vulnerable from attacks from the left of the political spectrum than it is from the right. Again, I won't berate your political ideology, if a central left approach is what you want, then go and vote for it, no criticism here, but the notion this can only be found at European level is not true. As for trade deal scenario, its key that both sides own up to their risks. As a Brexiteer, I will be the first to admit leaving has risks, but so does staying and its very important the remain camp are clear about these risks. The beauty of our country is it has special relationships and soft power levels which some other countries in Europe can only dream about. I can't talk for all other countries here, but being an international student in China, i've quickly realised just how much the Chinese love 'us - the British' and how badly they want to buy into all things British. The potential for post Brexit UK to tap into two of the worlds largest economies of which we are held in high regard is almost limitless, why should we give other countries a veto on that relationship? FYI, my last post for the night. Thanks for playing.
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Originally posted by snytaxx
It's a fundamental mistake to assume that those who will vote for Brexit are solely from right of centre parties. As can be seen from my sparring with Gusset, the EU is alot more vulnerable from attacks from the left of the political spectrum than it is from the right. Again, I won't berate your political ideology, if a central left approach is what you want, then go and vote for it, no criticism here, but the notion this can only be found at European level is not true. As for trade deal scenario, its key that both sides own up to their risks. As a Brexiteer, I will be the first to admit leaving has risks, but so does staying and its very important the remain camp are clear about these risks. The beauty of our country is it has special relationships and soft power levels which some other countries in Europe can only dream about. I can't talk for all other countries here, but being an international student in China, i've quickly realised just how much the Chinese love 'us - the British' and how badly they want to buy into all things British. The potential for post Brexit UK to tap into two of the worlds largest economies of which we are held in high regard is almost limitless, why should we give other countries a veto on that relationship? FYI, my last post for the night. Thanks for playing. Yep good debate syntaxx.....btw centre/left is not necessarily my political ideology and i take your point re China but i think we are trading just fine as it is, Germany now exports 10% of its trade to china, brexit would not make it better necessarily for either.
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Has it really come to this?
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Originally posted by elgrande
Has it really come to this....outright racism on the remain side
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Originally posted by elgrande
Has it really come to this....outright racism on the remain side You're right. A disgraceful poster and further proof of the desperation of the Remain camp.
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Originally posted by elgrande
The days of the white skinhead, racially abusing an Indian lady haven't been seen for donkeys years. That image was typical in the 70's to 90's. Thankfully you rarely even hear racist words being thrown around now. Don't know who that ad campaign is supposed to target as it certainly doesn't connect with anything I've seen or heard for at least 20 years.
VOTING OUT - Brexit will allow Britain to embrace the Commonwealth and be GREAT again |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
You're right. A disgraceful poster and further proof of the desperation of the Remain camp. As bad as the Brexit ze Germans billboard. Is there a way that both sides can lose?
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Originally posted by nickgusset
As bad as the Brexit ze Germans billboard. Is there a way that both sides can lose? Spot on. Both sides getting increasingly desperate and nasty, to try and capture the minority who haven't made up their minds yet. Expect more of the same in the next 4 weeks- the press reporting on the financial apocalyptic meltdown that Brexit will bring, or the hordes of criminals waiting to flood over the borders if we remain, depending on the stance of the various news organisations.
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Seen a lot today about Cameron being on his way out regardless of the result.
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Seen a lot today about Cameron being on his way out regardless of the result. No more snap elections - they're every 5 years now.
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Originally posted by chris123
No more snap elections - they're every 5 years now. The newspapers must be wrong and you must be right then.
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Originally posted by nickgusset
The newspapers must be wrong and you must be right then. Fixed Term Parliaments Act 2011.
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Originally posted by chris123
Fixed Term Parliaments Act 2011. are only two circumstances in which a general election can take place earlier than the scheduled five years after the previous one. First, the House of Commons can vote for one – but the number of votes for must be equal to or greater than two thirds of the number of seats in the House (including vacant seats). In other words, even if a Prime Minister has a single-party majority, he cannot simply summon up an early general election. Only a Prime Minister in possession of a massive landslide or cross-party agreement could vote one through under this provision. (This means that during both the 2010 and 2015 Parliaments, a ‘snap general election’ could not simply be called by the Prime Minister, despite some pundit who should know better liking speculating that he should or was about to.) The second route is if the House of Commons passes a vote of no confidence in the government (by a simple majority) and then fails within fourteen days to pass a motion of confidence in a new government. In other words, if a Prime Minister were to demand an early election, call a vote of no confidence in themselves and even get his own party to vote for the motion – there is no general election. Instead, the leader of the opposition would get the chance to form a government first. It is only if they – and everyone else – fails that there is then an early general election
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Originally posted by nickgusset
As bad as the Brexit ze Germans billboard. Is there a way that both sides can lose? One of the issues is the fact that the EU is worryingly German-dominated. The concept of 'ze Germans' is firmly entrenched in British popular culture. The Remain poster, on the other hand, is nothing but a crude stereotype which suggests that young white males habitually go arounnd intimidating those of formerly-colonial ancestry. So no, it's actually far worse and more objectionable than the Brexit poster.
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Originally posted by nickgusset
The newspapers must be wrong and you must be right then. This sums up politics.
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