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Hrolf The Ganger 21 Dec 20 12.30pm
Originally posted by DanH I think this can just be summarised as Stirling and Hrolf believing in the great replacement theory and calling anyone that doesn’t ‘brainwashed’. Firstly. Replacement does not have to be absolute in any sense. Not much is. Even Neanderthals still exist in terms of a few genes floating around. I would invite you to demonstrate with statistics, projections and maybe a bit of imagination, how the theory of 'replacement' is wrong. This is your big chance to blow it out of the water.

Hrolf The Ganger

21 Dec 20 12.30pm

Originally posted by DanH

I think this can just be summarised as Stirling and Hrolf believing in the great replacement theory and calling anyone that doesn’t ‘brainwashed’.

Firstly. Replacement does not have to be absolute in any sense. Not much is. Even Neanderthals still exist in terms of a few genes floating around.

I would invite you to demonstrate with statistics, projections and maybe a bit of imagination, how the theory of 'replacement' is wrong.

This is your big chance to blow it out of the water.

madcap_v2 SE25 / Ibiza 21 Dec 20 12.48pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Evasive answer. Forget the actual organisation. I know what they want. What do those that hide under the blanket of BLM but claim not to be associated with it want? What do they specifically want? Surely this is a simple question. People making public demonstrations and taking up hours of media time must know exactly what they are campaigning for. What exactly is it? Why do you think I speak for anyone but myself? I've answered this question multiple times, either digest what I've said or stop asking me. I don't speak for others and repeatedly asking me the same question isn't going to change my answer. Ask a footballer, write into the club. The answer will likely be the same as mine. La la la your mum

madcap_v2

SE25 / Ibiza 21 Dec 20 12.48pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Evasive answer.
Forget the actual organisation. I know what they want.

What do those that hide under the blanket of BLM but claim not to be associated with it want?

What do they specifically want?

Surely this is a simple question. People making public demonstrations and taking up hours of media time must know exactly what they are campaigning for.

What exactly is it?

Why do you think I speak for anyone but myself?
I've answered this question multiple times, either digest what I've said or stop asking me. I don't speak for others and repeatedly asking me the same question isn't going to change my answer.

Ask a footballer, write into the club. The answer will likely be the same as mine.

La la la your mum

madcap_v2 SE25 / Ibiza 21 Dec 20 12.48pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman What do you want/expecting to see changing from kneeling at football? Another question I've repeatedly answered on this thread. La la la your mum

madcap_v2

SE25 / Ibiza 21 Dec 20 12.48pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

What do you want/expecting to see changing from kneeling at football?

Another question I've repeatedly answered on this thread.

La la la your mum

Stirlingsays 21 Dec 20 1.20pm
Originally posted by madcap_v2 Another question I've repeatedly answered on this thread. Well to be fair, your points have also been answered multiple times on this forum but it hasn't stopped you from repeating them....For example this 'ask a footballer' point has been answered many times now. Indeed, the whole BLM discussion just goes round in circles now. Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Dec 2020 1.21pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

21 Dec 20 1.20pm

Originally posted by madcap_v2

Another question I've repeatedly answered on this thread.

Well to be fair, your points have also been answered multiple times on this forum but it hasn't stopped you from repeating them....For example this 'ask a footballer' point has been answered many times now.

Indeed, the whole BLM discussion just goes round in circles now.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Dec 2020 1.21pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Badger11 Beckenham 21 Dec 20 1.56pm
Sky has donated £3m to Kick it Out. Is this the start of football distancing itself from BLM? One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 21 Dec 20 1.56pm

Sky has donated £3m to Kick it Out. Is this the start of football distancing itself from BLM?

One more point

cryrst The garden of England 21 Dec 20 2.08pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Evasive answer. Forget the actual organisation. I know what they want. What do those that hide under the blanket of BLM but claim not to be associated with it want? What do they specifically want? Surely this is a simple question. People making public demonstrations and taking up hours of media time must know exactly what they are campaigning for. What exactly is it? He wants blacks to be treated different to whites in a country where they are already treated differently. One word from a black person and any whitey is arrested and have their life ruined. Hes got what he wanted but doesnt want to admit it. Positive discrimination... got it. Special treatment from the police...got it. Benefits on tap.... got it. To be able to cry racist and have multiple organisations, media,government and the like feel sorry for you.... got it. Have whites full of white guilt about slavery...got it. The last one was actually started by blacks but that dont matter as it's been erased... got it. Racist bingo and we have a winner.

cryrst

The garden of England 21 Dec 20 2.08pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Evasive answer.
Forget the actual organisation. I know what they want.

What do those that hide under the blanket of BLM but claim not to be associated with it want?

What do they specifically want?

Surely this is a simple question. People making public demonstrations and taking up hours of media time must know exactly what they are campaigning for.

What exactly is it?

He wants blacks to be treated different to whites in a country where they are already treated differently. One word from a black person and any whitey is arrested and have their life ruined.
Hes got what he wanted but doesnt want to admit it.
Positive discrimination... got it.
Special treatment from the police...got it.
Benefits on tap.... got it.
To be able to cry racist and have multiple organisations, media,government and the like feel sorry for you.... got it.
Have whites full of white guilt
about slavery...got it.
The last one was actually started by blacks but that dont matter as it's been erased... got it.

Racist bingo and we have a winner.

Hrolf The Ganger 21 Dec 20 2.10pm
Originally posted by madcap_v2 Why do you think I speak for anyone but myself? I've answered this question multiple times, either digest what I've said or stop asking me. I don't speak for others and repeatedly asking me the same question isn't going to change my answer. Ask a footballer, write into the club. The answer will likely be the same as mine. I'm not asking you what you want or expecting you to take responsibility for anything. I just want to know exactly what the movement you are defending wants to achieve. What exactly is this campaign aiming to achieve and how will we know when they achieved it. Any individual supporting the movement surely must know what he or she is promoting. He must be able to write it down.

Hrolf The Ganger

21 Dec 20 2.10pm

Originally posted by madcap_v2

Ask a footballer, write into the club. The answer will likely be the same as mine.

I'm not asking you what you want or expecting you to take responsibility for anything. I just want to know exactly what the movement you are defending wants to achieve.
What exactly is this campaign aiming to achieve and how will we know when they achieved it. Any individual supporting the movement surely must know what he or she is promoting. He must be able to write it down.

Hrolf The Ganger 21 Dec 20 2.14pm
Originally posted by cryrst He wants blacks to be treated different to whites in a country where they are already treated differently. One word from a black person and any whitey is arrested and have their life ruined. Hes got what he wanted but doesnt want to admit it. Positive discrimination... got it. Special treatment from the police...got it. Benefits on tap.... got it. To be able to cry racist and have multiple organisations, media,government and the like feel sorry for you.... got it. Have whites full of white guilt about slavery...got it. The last one was actually started by blacks but that dont matter as it's been erased... got it. Racist bingo and we have a winner. In a nutshell. Funny how when given the opportunity to disprove or explain this away, everyone who defends BLM goes all coy.

Hrolf The Ganger

21 Dec 20 2.14pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Racist bingo and we have a winner.

In a nutshell.
Funny how when given the opportunity to disprove or explain this away, everyone who defends BLM goes all coy.

Rudi Hedman Caterham 21 Dec 20 2.47pm
Originally posted by madcap_v2 Another question I've repeatedly answered on this thread. Well if you have and you can, answer it again. What do you want/expecting to see changing from kneeling at football? I’ve already said what positive changes I’d make. The penal system and custodial sentences and changes to the history curriculum in schools. Your turn. Edited by Rudi Hedman (21 Dec 2020 3.11pm) COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 21 Dec 20 2.47pm

Originally posted by madcap_v2

Another question I've repeatedly answered on this thread.

Well if you have and you can, answer it again.

What do you want/expecting to see changing from kneeling at football?

I’ve already said what positive changes I’d make. The penal system and custodial sentences and changes to the history curriculum in schools. Your turn.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (21 Dec 2020 3.11pm)

COYP

madcap_v2 SE25 / Ibiza 21 Dec 20 4.04pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I'm not asking you what you want or expecting you to take responsibility for anything. I just want to know exactly what the movement you are defending wants to achieve. What exactly is this campaign aiming to achieve and how will we know when they achieved it. Any individual supporting the movement surely must know what he or she is promoting. He must be able to write it down. I've answered the above already La la la your mum

madcap_v2

SE25 / Ibiza 21 Dec 20 4.04pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I've answered the above already

La la la your mum

madcap_v2 SE25 / Ibiza 21 Dec 20 4.05pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Well if you have and you can, answer it again. What do you want/expecting to see changing from kneeling at football? I’ve already said what positive changes I’d make. The penal system and custodial sentences and changes to the history curriculum in schools. Your turn. Edited by Rudi Hedman (21 Dec 2020 3.11pm) No thanks, if people can't be arsed to read what I'm saying, why repeat myself? La la la your mum

madcap_v2

SE25 / Ibiza 21 Dec 20 4.05pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Well if you have and you can, answer it again.

What do you want/expecting to see changing from kneeling at football?

I’ve already said what positive changes I’d make. The penal system and custodial sentences and changes to the history curriculum in schools. Your turn.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (21 Dec 2020 3.11pm)

No thanks, if people can't be arsed to read what I'm saying, why repeat myself?

La la la your mum

madcap_v2 SE25 / Ibiza 21 Dec 20 4.06pm
Originally posted by cryrst He wants blacks to be treated different to whites in a country where they are already treated differently. One word from a black person and any whitey is arrested and have their life ruined. Hes got what he wanted but doesnt want to admit it. Positive discrimination... got it. Special treatment from the police...got it. Benefits on tap.... got it. To be able to cry racist and have multiple organisations, media,government and the like feel sorry for you.... got it. Have whites full of white guilt about slavery...got it. The last one was actually started by blacks but that dont matter as it's been erased... got it. Racist bingo and we have a winner. Sweeping generalisation there, as I've said literally none of that, but carry on, you're showing more arse than myonlyfans here. La la la your mum

madcap_v2

SE25 / Ibiza 21 Dec 20 4.06pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Racist bingo and we have a winner.

Sweeping generalisation there, as I've said literally none of that, but carry on, you're showing more arse than myonlyfans here.

La la la your mum

georgenorman 21 Dec 20 4.06pm
Arch-fan of Millwall, Rod Liddle, sums it up well in the Spectator magazine: "The knee-bending in support of a genuinely odious organisation, Black Lives Matter, was encouraged from the top down by the virtue-signalling idiots in the Football Association, the Premier League and the English Football League. It would have lasted precisely one week if fans had been allowed into the grounds — or not have been introduced at all. But when the public is absent, corporate wokeism faces no corrective from the real world."

georgenorman

21 Dec 20 4.06pm

Arch-fan of Millwall, Rod Liddle, sums it up well in the Spectator magazine: "The knee-bending in support of a genuinely odious organisation, Black Lives Matter, was encouraged from the top down by the virtue-signalling idiots in the Football Association, the Premier League and the English Football League.
It would have lasted precisely one week if fans had been allowed into the grounds — or not have been introduced at all. But when the public is absent, corporate wokeism faces no corrective from the real world."

Stirlingsays 21 Dec 20 4.15pm
Originally posted by georgenorman Arch-fan of Millwall, Rod Liddle, sums it up well in the Spectator magazine: "The knee-bending in support of a genuinely odious organisation, Black Lives Matter, was encouraged from the top down by the virtue-signalling idiots in the Football Association, the Premier League and the English Football League. It would have lasted precisely one week if fans had been allowed into the grounds — or not have been introduced at all. But when the public is absent, corporate wokeism faces no corrective from the real world." Spot on. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

21 Dec 20 4.15pm

Originally posted by georgenorman

Spot on.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Teddy Eagle 21 Dec 20 4.32pm
This is such an emotive subject it’s hard to be objective but for me the reaction to the players’ action is almost a symptom of compassion fatigue. The anti-racism movement has been in full swing for over 40 years - the Rock Against Racism gig in Victoria Park was in 1978 so certainly it started before then - and yet in 2020 we’re still being told how racist we all are. No doubt there was racism in the country decades ago but it’s been so effectively demonised that even people who might hold those views, and I don’t think anyone on here does, would be reluctant to admit it.

Teddy Eagle

21 Dec 20 4.32pm

This is such an emotive subject it’s hard to be objective but for me the reaction to the players’ action is almost a symptom of compassion fatigue. The anti-racism movement has been in full swing for over 40 years - the Rock Against Racism gig in Victoria Park was in 1978 so certainly it started before then - and yet in 2020 we’re still being told how racist we all are.
No doubt there was racism in the country decades ago but it’s been so effectively demonised that even people who might hold those views, and I don’t think anyone on here does, would be reluctant to admit it.

Maine Eagle USA 21 Dec 20 4.42pm
Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle You say that players are free to make a statement if they wish to but they are not. They are ONLY allowed to take a knee for racism. What if they want to take a knee over climate control or any other issue? Then they need to organize, approach the Premier League/FA or whoever, form some kind of group, and lobby for their right to take a knee for climate change. Simple really. Of course any issue can be highlighted in this way, if is it of enough importance to society. Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

Maine Eagle

USA 21 Dec 20 4.42pm

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

You say that players are free to make a statement if they wish to but they are not. They are ONLY allowed to take a knee for racism.

What if they want to take a knee over climate control or any other issue?

Then they need to organize, approach the Premier League/FA or whoever, form some kind of group, and lobby for their right to take a knee for climate change.

Simple really.

Of course any issue can be highlighted in this way, if is it of enough importance to society.

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

jeeagles 21 Dec 20 4.59pm
Having heard the news from the PFA that players want to do this, then inspite of my objections that the symbolism has been hijacked by Anti-FA, I think it should be supported. Many of the players receive untold amounts of racist abuse on social media. If its pissing of those vile little trolls then on balanced, its worth it. Although, if its a centrally organised protest then that's completely different. Players should have the right to chose. Even Derry born McClean right to not wear a poppy should be respected to some extent - but he generally acts in a offensive and hostile manner towards the English, despite chosing to earn a living here.

jeeagles

21 Dec 20 4.59pm

Having heard the news from the PFA that players want to do this, then inspite of my objections that the symbolism has been hijacked by Anti-FA, I think it should be supported.

Many of the players receive untold amounts of racist abuse on social media. If its pissing of those vile little trolls then on balanced, its worth it.

Although, if its a centrally organised protest then that's completely different.

Players should have the right to chose. Even Derry born McClean right to not wear a poppy should be respected to some extent - but he generally acts in a offensive and hostile manner towards the English, despite chosing to earn a living here.

JRW2 Dulwich 21 Dec 20 5.06pm
Originally posted by Maine Eagle Then they need to organize, approach the Premier League/FA or whoever, form some kind of group, and lobby for their right to take a knee for climate change. Simple really. Of course any issue can be highlighted in this way, if is it of enough importance to society. If the right to make a meaningless gesture such as taking the knee was proportionate to the importance of the issue in question, we'd all be on our knees all the time if the issue was climate change. Compared with that, alleged racism is of no importance whatsoever.

JRW2

Dulwich 21 Dec 20 5.06pm

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

Then they need to organize, approach the Premier League/FA or whoever, form some kind of group, and lobby for their right to take a knee for climate change.

Simple really.

Of course any issue can be highlighted in this way, if is it of enough importance to society.

If the right to make a meaningless gesture such as taking the knee was proportionate to the importance of the issue in question, we'd all be on our knees all the time if the issue was climate change. Compared with that, alleged racism is of no importance whatsoever.

cryrst The garden of England 21 Dec 20 6.53pm
Originally posted by madcap_v2 Sweeping generalisation there, as I've said literally none of that, but carry on, you're showing more arse than myonlyfans here. How general is it. Pick it apart and show me what bits are just that. I bet you wont because you cant. It is all that you want and as they say, the truth hurts.

cryrst

The garden of England 21 Dec 20 6.53pm

Originally posted by madcap_v2

Sweeping generalisation there, as I've said literally none of that, but carry on, you're showing more arse than myonlyfans here.

How general is it.
Pick it apart and show me what bits are just that.
I bet you wont because you cant.
It is all that you want and as they say, the truth hurts.

madcap_v2 SE25 / Ibiza 21 Dec 20 7.40pm
Originally posted by cryrst How general is it. Pick it apart and show me what bits are just that. I bet you wont because you cant. It is all that you want and as they say, the truth hurts. If you have any actual real life black friends, have this conversation with them, the picture you're painting is quite inaccurate. Compared to my viewpoint anyway. The bit about preferencial treatment by the police was particularly funny. La la la your mum

madcap_v2

SE25 / Ibiza 21 Dec 20 7.40pm

Originally posted by cryrst

How general is it.
Pick it apart and show me what bits are just that.
I bet you wont because you cant.
It is all that you want and as they say, the truth hurts.

If you have any actual real life black friends, have this conversation with them, the picture you're painting is quite inaccurate. Compared to my viewpoint anyway.

The bit about preferencial treatment by the police was particularly funny.

La la la your mum

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