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 EverybodyDannsNow  SE19 14 Nov 18 4.19pm |
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Well now I’m sure Brexit is a great idea.
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| Mapletree Croydon 14 Nov 18 4.19pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
As for experts.....seriously? In my lifetime I've witnessed multiple events where the opinions of proclaimed 'experts' have proven to be a crock of s***e......Funny how these 'experts' move on and don't stay around to answer for their predictions. Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Nov 2018 4.05pm) Quite so. Presumably you choose your Doctor, Dentist, Financial Advisor and Solicitor based upon 'the cut of their jib'.
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 14 Nov 18 4.20pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
I was talking about the politicians. And you've had Brexiteers in charge of negotiations. We were never going to get a good deal, that was plainly obvious, no matter who was on charge. And it's going to affect every single person in this country - how, we obviously don't know yet, but putting so many disruptions and unknowns in place isn't going to exactly make it all amazing is it?
You are wrong. The 'remainers' Theresa May and Oliver Robbins led negotiations. That's why it's a s*** deal.
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| Mapletree Croydon 14 Nov 18 4.23pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Well now I’m sure Brexit is a great idea. Yeh, only 1.5% growth. Meanwhile, the UK gets 1.3%.
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 Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 14 Nov 18 4.34pm |
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Liar
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Attachment: | Mapletree Croydon 14 Nov 18 4.48pm |
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Originally posted by Lyons550
Of course you're correct, but then place it in proper context...a country unsure of its future vs one that is a dominating force in the EU; then it doesnt look half as good as you make out. Considering the Euro levels are favourable for exporting from within the Eu at the moment...its not the best set of results...also don't forget the rise of nationalism in Germany as well... they will clearly prey on this (just like UKIP)...and then see what happens. It's not stellar but it's not a disaster There is no doubt the emissions scandal has hit the economy and will continue to do so. There are multiple legal actions going on to claim damages which will take a while to play through the system. I suspect Brexit and Trump are also not helping right at the moment, much uncertainty. But I seriously doubt Germany is 'in trouble'. The rise of nationalism is a global phenomenon. As Stirling says, not to my tastes. I have hugely enjoyed working throughout the world and would regret it should my children not have similar opportunities. It is highly enlightening to have to reserve judgement and avoid being opinionated whilst you work out how another culture ticks.
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| chris123 hove actually 14 Nov 18 4.48pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
In my experience, principles are always mitigated by sharp economic reality I remain to be convinced that the real economic costs where fully understood and explained during the campaign. The best guess that I have seen from all sides appears to be short term pain, medium term pain, possible but indeterminable long term benefit. Mine was based on governance not economics
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| Mapletree Croydon 14 Nov 18 4.49pm |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
Liar Ah, I see you have an old photo from before the tablets and the pump.
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| Mapletree Croydon 14 Nov 18 4.51pm |
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Originally posted by chris123
Mine was based on governance not economics Yes, I had appreciated that. But in the end how much money are you prepared to lose for such principles. Maybe you can live with a slightly imperfect structure if your quality of life depends upon it.
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| chris123 hove actually 14 Nov 18 4.54pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Yes, I had appreciated that. But in the end how much money are you prepared to lose for such principles. Maybe you can live with a slightly imperfect structure if your quality of life depends upon it. I voted to stay in 1975 - what we finished up with was not what I voted for
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| Lyons550 Shirley 14 Nov 18 4.55pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
It's not stellar but it's not a disaster There is no doubt the emissions scandal has hit the economy and will continue to do so. There are multiple legal actions going on to claim damages which will take a while to play through the system. I suspect Brexit and Trump are also not helping right at the moment, much uncertainty. But I seriously doubt Germany is 'in trouble'. The rise of nationalism is a global phenomenon. As Stirling says, not to my tastes. I have hugely enjoyed working throughout the world and would regret it should my children not have similar opportunities. It is highly enlightening to have to reserve judgement and avoid being opinionated whilst you work out how another culture ticks.
The worst thing for the EU at the minute would be for a country who leaves doing well....
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| Mapletree Croydon 14 Nov 18 5.00pm |
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Originally posted by Lyons550
The worst thing for the EU at the minute would be for a country who leaves doing well.... Can't disagree with that The EU should have been more tuned in to the popular opinions two years ago and shown some flexibility in the run-up to the vote. Corbyn and the EU seem to have got away without significant criticism when in reality they should shoulder much of the blame.
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| Stuk Top half 14 Nov 18 5.13pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
It's been an absolute f*cking sh*tshow from the day that the referendum was announced and it's just embarrassing. This is going to affect so many people's lives in a way that they don't quite fully realise yet, all because of a 3 year long game of comparing cocks. We should have done it in reverse. Leave the day after the vote and negotiate it all after. You could put any deal on the table and people are still going to moan about part of or all of it. Trying to get an agreement before exiting has been ball ache, which is why most people just want it over with now, no matter what deal happens or doesn't.
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| Mapletree Croydon 14 Nov 18 5.17pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
We should have done it in reverse. Leave the day after the vote and negotiate it all after. You could put any deal on the table and people are still going to moan about part of or all of it. Trying to get an agreement before exiting has been ball ache, which is why most people just want it over with now, no matter what deal happens or doesn't. I am guessing your aren't an expert negotiator Stu. Still, those experts, pah.
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corkery  Cork City 14 Nov 18 5.43pm |
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The DUP won't like this.
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| chris123 hove actually 14 Nov 18 5.50pm |
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Originally posted by corkery
The DUP won't like this. No choice really
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| Stuk Top half 14 Nov 18 6.12pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
I am guessing your aren't an expert negotiator Stu. Still, those experts, pah. Yeah it's all sailed through so smoothly with these so called experts involved hasn't it. And of course none of their predictions have turned out to be incorrect either.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 14 Nov 18 6.50pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Another Suez debacle. The first totally our fault finally killed of the empire. The second totally our fault killed off any pretence that we are an important power. The cabinet, parliament, all the frenzy of Whitehall, anything about Brexit, simply are not of any interest to anyone that matters in the World. Who would have thought leaving the EU would make the UK a vassal state. I would, but then I thought about it, leavers never think of anything at all. Mrs May has gone against her "no deal is better than a bad deal". Corbyn has made it clear Labour will not support it so i cannot see it getting through Parliament unless the Tories put party before country. And if they do they will be out at the next GE. I think we can all agree this was a hopeless negotiation. We should had told the EU straight away we are leaving and going to WTO rules which would have solved all of these issues. Then we could have said to the EU if you want a deal and your 40bn its down to you. In fairness to the EU they offered a Canada plus deal which is how many Brexit politcans wanted to go. So I don't accept that this was inevitable but as soon as May came up with her Chequers proposal it was always going to be a dog's breakfast. What next: We will now see who puts country before party.
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