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jamiemartin721 Reading 31 May 16 1.14pm
Interesting - The UK cannot just leave the EU, it has to negotiate an exit over a two year period, possibly longer if the Referendum result is close enough to appeal the decision or force a recount etc (so say two years and six weeks). Which I guess makes sense, given the UK has obligations to the EU it has already given notice to undertake etc. Still, interesting times and all that. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 31 May 16 1.14pm

Interesting - The UK cannot just leave the EU, it has to negotiate an exit over a two year period, possibly longer if the Referendum result is close enough to appeal the decision or force a recount etc (so say two years and six weeks).

Which I guess makes sense, given the UK has obligations to the EU it has already given notice to undertake etc.

Still, interesting times and all that.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

jamiemartin721 Reading 31 May 16 1.17pm
Originally posted by mezzer Just out of interest, how can Norwegian Air be the fastest growing budget airline in Europe if it's so hard to trade within the EU if you're outside it, and if the forecasts of more expensive travel is to be believed? Norway is part of the European Trade Agreement (effectively its 'partially EU'. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 31 May 16 1.17pm

Originally posted by mezzer

Just out of interest, how can Norwegian Air be the fastest growing budget airline in Europe if it's so hard to trade within the EU if you're outside it, and if the forecasts of more expensive travel is to be believed?

Norway is part of the European Trade Agreement (effectively its 'partially EU'.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

jamiemartin721 Reading 31 May 16 1.19pm
Originally posted by Johnny Eagles Is it worth reading all hundred pages of this thread or is it about as enlightening as the guff in the mainstream media? I sent off my ballot yesterday. I voted 'Leave'. Remain will win. In a fit of pique I put a slightly-too-large amount of cash on 'Bremain' to get over 55% of the vote. Got 13/5, now it's down to 2/1. Just to make smug Cameron's face slightly more tolerable on June 24th when he squeaks through to victory once again. Its interesting to see your perspective, given you're a UK citizen living and working with the Hun. What happens to you, if the UK leaves, do you have to get a visa, sign up to the Wehrmacht or will the liberal EU just say, f**k it, we'll keep 'em in case there is another war. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 31 May 16 1.19pm

Originally posted by Johnny Eagles

Is it worth reading all hundred pages of this thread or is it about as enlightening as the guff in the mainstream media?

I sent off my ballot yesterday. I voted 'Leave'.

Remain will win.

In a fit of pique I put a slightly-too-large amount of cash on 'Bremain' to get over 55% of the vote. Got 13/5, now it's down to 2/1. Just to make smug Cameron's face slightly more tolerable on June 24th when he squeaks through to victory once again.

Its interesting to see your perspective, given you're a UK citizen living and working with the Hun. What happens to you, if the UK leaves, do you have to get a visa, sign up to the Wehrmacht or will the liberal EU just say, f**k it, we'll keep 'em in case there is another war.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

DanH SW2 31 May 16 1.22pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Its interesting to see your perspective, given you're a UK citizen living and working with the Hun. What happens to you, if the UK leaves, do you have to get a visa, sign up to the Wehrmacht or will the liberal EU just say, f**k it, we'll keep 'em in case there is another war. Johnny will be rounded up, put in a plane, and jettisoned somewhere over the channel on June 24th.

DanH

SW2 31 May 16 1.22pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Johnny will be rounded up, put in a plane, and jettisoned somewhere over the channel on June 24th.

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 31 May 16 1.31pm
Originally posted by Johnny Eagles Is it worth reading all hundred pages of this thread or is it about as enlightening as the guff in the mainstream media? I sent off my ballot yesterday. I voted 'Leave'. Remain will win. In a fit of pique I put a slightly-too-large amount of cash on 'Bremain' to get over 55% of the vote. Got 13/5, now it's down to 2/1. Just to make smug Cameron's face slightly more tolerable on June 24th when he squeaks through to victory once again. Well done for voting "Leave". Regards a win for "Remain", this is by NO way a foregone conclusion and I remain hopeful of a BREXIT. I have spoken to a helluva lot of people about the referendum and the vast majority are voting to 'Leave'. These people were across the age spectrum, they weren't old creakeys.In fact I've not come across many who wish to 'Remain' ! Edited by Willo (31 May 2016 1.35pm)

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 31 May 16 1.31pm

Originally posted by Johnny Eagles

Is it worth reading all hundred pages of this thread or is it about as enlightening as the guff in the mainstream media?

I sent off my ballot yesterday. I voted 'Leave'.

Remain will win.

Well done for voting "Leave".

Regards a win for "Remain", this is by NO way a foregone conclusion and I remain hopeful of a BREXIT.
I have spoken to a helluva lot of people about the referendum and the vast majority are voting to 'Leave'. These people were across the age spectrum, they weren't old creakeys.In fact I've not come across many who wish to 'Remain' !

Edited by Willo (31 May 2016 1.35pm)

Johnny Eagles berlin 31 May 16 2.50pm
For anyone still unsure how to vote: [Link] If 5 mins of smug Germans insulting and taking the p*ss out of the British doesn't get you to vote 'Leave', nothing will. ...we must expand...get more pupils...so that the knowledge will spread...

Johnny Eagles

berlin 31 May 16 2.50pm

For anyone still unsure how to vote:

[Link]

If 5 mins of smug Germans insulting and taking the p*ss out of the British doesn't get you to vote 'Leave', nothing will.

...we must expand...get more pupils...so that the knowledge will spread...

Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 31 May 16 2.54pm
Martin Lewis is running a poll. Small numbers but pretty conclusive. Maybe a reflection of the the population that follow him? [Link] the dignified don't even enter in the game

Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 31 May 16 2.54pm

Martin Lewis is running a poll. Small numbers but pretty conclusive. Maybe a reflection of the the population that follow him?

[Link]

the dignified don't even enter in the game

big_palace_fan 31 May 16 3.00pm
This is now 106 pages in a 0 people have had their mind changed . Also diving is bad your posts are too long.

big_palace_fan

31 May 16 3.00pm

This is now 106 pages in a 0 people have had their mind changed .

Also diving is bad your posts are too long.

Johnny Eagles berlin 31 May 16 3.01pm
Originally posted by Willo Well done for voting "Leave". Regards a win for "Remain", this is by NO way a foregone conclusion and I remain hopeful of a BREXIT. I have spoken to a helluva lot of people about the referendum and the vast majority are voting to 'Leave'. These people were across the age spectrum, they weren't old creakeys.In fact I've not come across many who wish to 'Remain' ! Edited by Willo (31 May 2016 1.35pm) You surprise me, Willo. I thought you'd be backing Cameron. The reason I think it will be 'Remain': 1. The bookmakers are pretty sure, and they're right more often than the pollsters* 2. Even I, a hardened Brexiter who still thinks we should be building dreadnoughts and maintaing a foothold in Rhodesia, thought twice before putting my cross in the box. 'Am I really going to do this?' I asked. I did. But I reckon a LOT will bottle it. 3. I think 'Brexiters' are a loud minority. Like the Jock Nats, they shout the loudest but don't have the numbers. 4. It's all about the undecideds. Especially Labour-voting undecideds. 'Leave' is for people who really care about the issue. I don't think the undecideds do care (or they wouldn't be undecided) and I think they're more likely to be swayed by the Bank of England, the Treasury, the IMF, etc. 5. The status quo has an in-built advantage in any referendum of this sort. 6. If Cameron - who will have access to all kinds of private polling we hear nothing about - thought there was a genuine possibility of losing the referendum, he'd have found a way to wriggle out of it. The slippery little worm. *Apart from, er, Corbyn. And Leicester. But otherwise, they're pretty reliable. ...we must expand...get more pupils...so that the knowledge will spread...

Johnny Eagles

berlin 31 May 16 3.01pm

Originally posted by Willo

Well done for voting "Leave".

Edited by Willo (31 May 2016 1.35pm)

You surprise me, Willo. I thought you'd be backing Cameron.

The reason I think it will be 'Remain':

1. The bookmakers are pretty sure, and they're right more often than the pollsters*

2. Even I, a hardened Brexiter who still thinks we should be building dreadnoughts and maintaing a foothold in Rhodesia, thought twice before putting my cross in the box. 'Am I really going to do this?' I asked. I did. But I reckon a LOT will bottle it.

3. I think 'Brexiters' are a loud minority. Like the Jock Nats, they shout the loudest but don't have the numbers.

4. It's all about the undecideds. Especially Labour-voting undecideds. 'Leave' is for people who really care about the issue. I don't think the undecideds do care (or they wouldn't be undecided) and I think they're more likely to be swayed by the Bank of England, the Treasury, the IMF, etc.

5. The status quo has an in-built advantage in any referendum of this sort.

6. If Cameron - who will have access to all kinds of private polling we hear nothing about - thought there was a genuine possibility of losing the referendum, he'd have found a way to wriggle out of it. The slippery little worm.

*Apart from, er, Corbyn. And Leicester. But otherwise, they're pretty reliable.

...we must expand...get more pupils...so that the knowledge will spread...

mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 31 May 16 3.11pm
Originally posted by Johnny Eagles You surprise me, Willo. I thought you'd be backing Cameron. The reason I think it will be 'Remain': 1. The bookmakers are pretty sure, and they're right more often than the pollsters* 2. Even I, a hardened Brexiter who still thinks we should be building dreadnoughts and maintaing a foothold in Rhodesia, thought twice before putting my cross in the box. 'Am I really going to do this?' I asked. I did. But I reckon a LOT will bottle it. 3. I think 'Brexiters' are a loud minority. Like the Jock Nats, they shout the loudest but don't have the numbers. 4. It's all about the undecideds. Especially Labour-voting undecideds. 'Leave' is for people who really care about the issue. I don't think the undecideds do care (or they wouldn't be undecided) and I think they're more likely to be swayed by the Bank of England, the Treasury, the IMF, etc. 5. The status quo has an in-built advantage in any referendum of this sort. 6. If Cameron - who will have access to all kinds of private polling we hear nothing about - thought there was a genuine possibility of losing the referendum, he'd have found a way to wriggle out of it. The slippery little worm. *Apart from, er, Corbyn. And Leicester. But otherwise, they're pretty reliable. The odds have come in on Betfair this week about leaving, but it's still odds on remain. Interestingly they think that Russia beating England in the first Euro 2016 group match and us leaving the EU are the same. It's worth remembering that Glastonbury starts on the Referendum date so there's 200,000 potential in voters who most likely won't have got their postal votes sorted. Also, our group games will have finished that week and if we've failed to qualify I can see a lot of "sod 'em" votes. Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

mezzer

Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 31 May 16 3.11pm

Originally posted by Johnny Eagles

You surprise me, Willo. I thought you'd be backing Cameron.

The reason I think it will be 'Remain':

1. The bookmakers are pretty sure, and they're right more often than the pollsters*

3. I think 'Brexiters' are a loud minority. Like the Jock Nats, they shout the loudest but don't have the numbers.

5. The status quo has an in-built advantage in any referendum of this sort.

*Apart from, er, Corbyn. And Leicester. But otherwise, they're pretty reliable.

The odds have come in on Betfair this week about leaving, but it's still odds on remain. Interestingly they think that Russia beating England in the first Euro 2016 group match and us leaving the EU are the same.

It's worth remembering that Glastonbury starts on the Referendum date so there's 200,000 potential in voters who most likely won't have got their postal votes sorted. Also, our group games will have finished that week and if we've failed to qualify I can see a lot of "sod 'em" votes.

Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

big_palace_fan 31 May 16 3.18pm
One of my housemates ideologically backs Brexit but wants to work in finance when he's older. Thus he has voted remain. I reckon vast swaths of unsure people will remain. I have never heard my mum say anything but pro-Brexit arguments and she says we should remain as well.

big_palace_fan

31 May 16 3.18pm

One of my housemates ideologically backs Brexit but wants to work in finance when he's older.

Thus he has voted remain.

I reckon vast swaths of unsure people will remain.

I have never heard my mum say anything but pro-Brexit arguments and she says we should remain as well.

Hoof Hearted 31 May 16 3.26pm
Originally posted by big_palace_fan One of my housemates ideologically backs Brexit but wants to work in finance when he's older. Thus he has voted remain. I reckon vast swaths of unsure people will remain. I have never heard my mum say anything but pro-Brexit arguments and she says we should remain as well. Come on Cucking.... spill the beans as to what his mum told you.....

Hoof Hearted 31 May 16 3.26pm

Originally posted by big_palace_fan

One of my housemates ideologically backs Brexit but wants to work in finance when he's older.

Thus he has voted remain.

I reckon vast swaths of unsure people will remain.

I have never heard my mum say anything but pro-Brexit arguments and she says we should remain as well.

Come on Cucking.... spill the beans as to what his mum told you.....

big_palace_fan 31 May 16 3.43pm
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted Come on Cucking.... spill the beans as to what his mum told you..... Hoof you're what, 50+ and still making jokes about people's mothers, this isn't the house of commons you know

big_palace_fan

31 May 16 3.43pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

Come on Cucking.... spill the beans as to what his mum told you.....

Hoof you're what, 50+ and still making jokes about people's mothers, this isn't the house of commons you know

DanH SW2 31 May 16 3.47pm
Originally posted by mezzer The odds have come in on Betfair this week about leaving, but it's still odds on remain. Interestingly they think that Russia beating England in the first Euro 2016 group match and us leaving the EU are the same. It's worth remembering that Glastonbury starts on the Referendum date so there's 200,000 potential in voters who most likely won't have got their postal votes sorted. Also, our group games will have finished that week and if we've failed to qualify I can see a lot of "sod 'em" votes. 199,999. Mine went off in the post this morning.

DanH

SW2 31 May 16 3.47pm

Originally posted by mezzer

It's worth remembering that Glastonbury starts on the Referendum date so there's 200,000 potential in voters who most likely won't have got their postal votes sorted. Also, our group games will have finished that week and if we've failed to qualify I can see a lot of "sod 'em" votes.

199,999. Mine went off in the post this morning.

mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 31 May 16 3.58pm
Originally posted by DanH 199,999. Mine went off in the post this morning. That's the one that'll swing it Dan. Latest poll released for the Guardian this afternoon put the Leaves ahead for the first time. My 9/2 I took last week doesn't look so bad now. Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

mezzer

Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 31 May 16 3.58pm

Originally posted by DanH

199,999. Mine went off in the post this morning.

That's the one that'll swing it Dan.

Latest poll released for the Guardian this afternoon put the Leaves ahead for the first time.

My 9/2 I took last week doesn't look so bad now.

Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 31 May 16 3.59pm
Originally posted by Johnny Eagles If Cameron - who will have access to all kinds of private polling we hear nothing about - thought there was a genuine possibility of losing the referendum, he'd have found a way to wriggle out of it. The slippery little worm. The referendum pledge was made back in Jan 2013 purely for reasons of 'Conservative Party' management.UKIP was in the ascendancy and Cameron wanted to appease his eurosceptic backbenchers and stop defections to UKIP. In fact Cameron informed the Lib-Dems that he really had to do this as it was a party management issue and that he was under a great deal of pressure.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 31 May 16 3.59pm

Originally posted by Johnny Eagles

If Cameron - who will have access to all kinds of private polling we hear nothing about - thought there was a genuine possibility of losing the referendum, he'd have found a way to wriggle out of it. The slippery little worm.

The referendum pledge was made back in Jan 2013 purely for reasons of 'Conservative Party' management.UKIP was in the ascendancy and Cameron wanted to appease his eurosceptic backbenchers and stop defections to UKIP. In fact Cameron informed the Lib-Dems that he really had to do this as it was a party management issue and that he was under a great deal of pressure.

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 31 May 16 4.01pm
Originally posted by mezzer That's the one that'll swing it Dan. Latest poll released for the Guardian this afternoon put the Leaves ahead for the first time. My 9/2 I took last week doesn't look so bad now. Polls ? Remember them before the last 'General Election' ! One suspects there will be variations and fluctuations right up to the 23rd June.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 31 May 16 4.01pm

Originally posted by mezzer

That's the one that'll swing it Dan.

Latest poll released for the Guardian this afternoon put the Leaves ahead for the first time.

My 9/2 I took last week doesn't look so bad now.

Polls ? Remember them before the last 'General Election' !
One suspects there will be variations and fluctuations right up to the 23rd June.

mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 31 May 16 4.12pm
Originally posted by Willo Polls ? Remember them before the last 'General Election' ! One suspects there will be variations and fluctuations right up to the 23rd June. Yep. And I backed the Tories then at 7-1 because actually talking to people in the lead up showed those odds to be false. Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

mezzer

Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 31 May 16 4.12pm

Originally posted by Willo

Polls ? Remember them before the last 'General Election' !
One suspects there will be variations and fluctuations right up to the 23rd June.

Yep. And I backed the Tories then at 7-1 because actually talking to people in the lead up showed those odds to be false.

Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

Johnny Eagles berlin 31 May 16 4.24pm
Originally posted by mezzer Yep. And I backed the Tories then at 7-1 because actually talking to people in the lead up showed those odds to be false. You got 7/1 on a Tory majority?! Wow. ...we must expand...get more pupils...so that the knowledge will spread...

Johnny Eagles

berlin 31 May 16 4.24pm

Originally posted by mezzer

Yep. And I backed the Tories then at 7-1 because actually talking to people in the lead up showed those odds to be false.

You got 7/1 on a Tory majority?!

Wow.

...we must expand...get more pupils...so that the knowledge will spread...

mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 31 May 16 4.41pm
Originally posted by Johnny Eagles You got 7/1 on a Tory majority?! Wow. Sadly I bottled the opportunity of a double with Leicester to win the league! Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

mezzer

Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 31 May 16 4.41pm

Originally posted by Johnny Eagles

You got 7/1 on a Tory majority?!

Wow.

Sadly I bottled the opportunity of a double with Leicester to win the league!

Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

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