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Hrolf The Ganger 20 Nov 18 11.11am
Originally posted by steeleye20 So it is, and really the UK should quietly drop it. To think that is still an option says a lot for the EU. Looking at our position with this 'deal' why would any country do anything so daft, and 'no deal' is a non-runner due to the chaos. What is the matter with you? It's never going away. The way Europe has negotiated tells you all you need to know. They want us in for their interests, not ours. If it's no deal, then so be it.

Hrolf The Ganger

20 Nov 18 11.11am

Originally posted by steeleye20

So it is, and really the UK should quietly drop it.

To think that is still an option says a lot for the EU.

Looking at our position with this 'deal' why would any country do anything so daft, and 'no deal' is a non-runner due to the chaos.

What is the matter with you?

It's never going away.

The way Europe has negotiated tells you all you need to know.
They want us in for their interests, not ours.

If it's no deal, then so be it.

Stirlingsays 20 Nov 18 11.31am
Ukip have been reporting another surge in membership. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

20 Nov 18 11.31am

Ukip have been reporting another surge in membership.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Midlands Eagle 20 Nov 18 11.32am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Ukip have been reporting another surge in membership. Why? They are a spent force

Midlands Eagle

20 Nov 18 11.32am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Ukip have been reporting another surge in membership.

Why? They are a spent force

Stirlingsays 20 Nov 18 11.39am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Why? They are a spent force I don't think they are now. It's membership is back to its near 'hey day' and increasing. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

20 Nov 18 11.39am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Why? They are a spent force

I don't think they are now. It's membership is back to its near 'hey day' and increasing.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Penge Eagle Beckenham 20 Nov 18 12.00pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol Yes because it shows freedom of movement works well for the EU, its benefits our economy by 4bn As already mentioned in an earlier post, studies have shown that EU migrant contribution in terms of money put in and taken out is negligible. So now you care about is GDP? As a Marxist, what about the impact on the government-run public services you adore so much? How abut the poor and working class you care about so much about having to deal with lack of jobs and wage deflation? You don't even realise that the people who go on the pro EU marches are actually lobbying for Goldman Sachs and all the large banks and corporations. It's all why real socialists like Tony Benn and Jeremy Corbyn (up til he recently towed the Labour party line) objected to the EU. Edited by Penge Eagle (20 Nov 2018 12.07pm)

Penge Eagle

Beckenham 20 Nov 18 12.00pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Yes because it shows freedom of movement works well for the EU, its benefits our economy by 4bn

As already mentioned in an earlier post, studies have shown that EU migrant contribution in terms of money put in and taken out is negligible.

So now you care about is GDP? As a Marxist, what about the impact on the government-run public services you adore so much?

How abut the poor and working class you care about so much about having to deal with lack of jobs and wage deflation?

You don't even realise that the people who go on the pro EU marches are actually lobbying for Goldman Sachs and all the large banks and corporations.

It's all why real socialists like Tony Benn and Jeremy Corbyn (up til he recently towed the Labour party line) objected to the EU.

Edited by Penge Eagle (20 Nov 2018 12.07pm)

cpfc_chap koh samui 20 Nov 18 12.16pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Why? They are a spent force UKIP will get many Tory voters and a lot from Labour especially the northern leave voters

cpfc_chap

koh samui 20 Nov 18 12.16pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Why? They are a spent force

UKIP will get many Tory voters and a lot from Labour especially the northern leave voters

Pussay Patrol 20 Nov 18 12.17pm
Originally posted by Penge Eagle As already mentioned in an earlier post, studies have shown that EU migrant contribution in terms of money put in and taken out is negligible. So now you care about is GDP? As a Marxist, what about the impact on the government-run public services you adore so much? How abut the poor and working class you care about so much about having to deal with lack of jobs and wage deflation? You don't even realise that the people who go on the pro EU marches are actually lobbying for Goldman Sachs and all the large banks and corporations. It's all why real socialists like Tony Benn and Jeremy Corbyn (up til he recently towed the Labour party line) objected to the EU. Edited by Penge Eagle (20 Nov 2018 12.07pm) [Link] 20bn benefit Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Pussay Patrol

20 Nov 18 12.17pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

As already mentioned in an earlier post, studies have shown that EU migrant contribution in terms of money put in and taken out is negligible.

So now you care about is GDP? As a Marxist, what about the impact on the government-run public services you adore so much?

How abut the poor and working class you care about so much about having to deal with lack of jobs and wage deflation?

You don't even realise that the people who go on the pro EU marches are actually lobbying for Goldman Sachs and all the large banks and corporations.

It's all why real socialists like Tony Benn and Jeremy Corbyn (up til he recently towed the Labour party line) objected to the EU.

Edited by Penge Eagle (20 Nov 2018 12.07pm)

[Link]

20bn benefit

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Penge Eagle Beckenham 20 Nov 18 12.35pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol [Link] 20bn benefit You've given a link that has a pay wall. Want to respond to the other points?

Penge Eagle

Beckenham 20 Nov 18 12.35pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

[Link]

20bn benefit

You've given a link that has a pay wall. Want to respond to the other points?

Stirlingsays 20 Nov 18 12.38pm
The collective cost of immigration is highly negative economically. Only EU immigration comes out at a small benefit......and an aspect of that is because less of them settle long term because more EU citizens go back to their home countries....not all but more. Hardly anyone outside of non EU countries go back. Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Nov 2018 12.39pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

20 Nov 18 12.38pm

The collective cost of immigration is highly negative economically.

Only EU immigration comes out at a small benefit......and an aspect of that is because less of them settle long term because more EU citizens go back to their home countries....not all but more.

Hardly anyone outside of non EU countries go back.

Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Nov 2018 12.39pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Pussay Patrol 20 Nov 18 12.48pm
Originally posted by Penge Eagle You've given a link that has a pay wall. Want to respond to the other points? How about this one? [Link] Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Pussay Patrol

20 Nov 18 12.48pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

You've given a link that has a pay wall. Want to respond to the other points?

How about this one?

[Link]

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Midlands Eagle 20 Nov 18 12.50pm
Originally posted by cpfc_chap UKIP will get many Tory voters and a lot from Labour especially the northern leave voters Perhaps that would have been the case if Nigel Farage was still leading the party but I don't see it happening any more

Midlands Eagle

20 Nov 18 12.50pm

Originally posted by cpfc_chap

UKIP will get many Tory voters and a lot from Labour especially the northern leave voters

Perhaps that would have been the case if Nigel Farage was still leading the party but I don't see it happening any more

Penge Eagle Beckenham 20 Nov 18 12.53pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol [Link] 20bn benefit I've worked abroad myself and am actually pro immigration. Irrespective of EU migrants having a negligible benefit to the public purse, the UK government should decide its immigration policy – not a foreign parliament. And if there is a net financial gain, if the money is not put in to extra schools, hospitals and houses, then that makes us WORSE off. PLUS, EU migrants have caused wage deflation to low-skilled workers. Edited by Penge Eagle (20 Nov 2018 1.00pm)

Penge Eagle

Beckenham 20 Nov 18 12.53pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

[Link]

20bn benefit

I've worked abroad myself and am actually pro immigration. Irrespective of EU migrants having a negligible benefit to the public purse, the UK government should decide its immigration policy – not a foreign parliament.

And if there is a net financial gain, if the money is not put in to extra schools, hospitals and houses, then that makes us WORSE off.

PLUS, EU migrants have caused wage deflation to low-skilled workers.

Edited by Penge Eagle (20 Nov 2018 1.00pm)

Penge Eagle Beckenham 20 Nov 18 12.55pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol How about this one? [Link] Full Fact is probably more independent than your pro EU blog. [Link]

Penge Eagle

Beckenham 20 Nov 18 12.55pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

How about this one?

[Link]

Full Fact is probably more independent than your pro EU blog. [Link]

steeleye20 Croydon 20 Nov 18 1.03pm
Originally posted by Penge Eagle I've worked abroad myself and am actually pro immigration. Irrespective of EU migrants having a negligible benefit to the public purse, the UK government should decide its immigration policy – not a foreign parliament. And if there is a net financial gain, if the money is not put in to extra schools, hospitals and houses, then that makes us WORSE off. PLUS, EU migrants have caused wage deflation to low-skilled workers. Edited by Penge Eagle (20 Nov 2018 1.00pm) In effect, that is what EU would become next March, a foreign parliament controlling the UK without the UK having any say. That is what is actually happening by leaving, handing over control to the EU.

steeleye20

Croydon 20 Nov 18 1.03pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

And if there is a net financial gain, if the money is not put in to extra schools, hospitals and houses, then that makes us WORSE off.

PLUS, EU migrants have caused wage deflation to low-skilled workers.

Edited by Penge Eagle (20 Nov 2018 1.00pm)

In effect, that is what EU would become next March, a foreign parliament controlling the UK without the UK having any say.

That is what is actually happening by leaving, handing over control to the EU.

Pussay Patrol 20 Nov 18 1.04pm
Originally posted by Penge Eagle Full Fact is probably more independent than your pro EU blog. [Link] That article doesn't say anything other than they are slightly sceptical about the numbers. You cannot argue eu migration has no negligible benefit when there are hard facts and stats that say they are of huge benefit Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Pussay Patrol

20 Nov 18 1.04pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Full Fact is probably more independent than your pro EU blog. [Link]

That article doesn't say anything other than they are slightly sceptical about the numbers.

You cannot argue eu migration has no negligible benefit when there are hard facts and stats that say they are of huge benefit

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Stirlingsays 20 Nov 18 1.10pm
'Full Fact' are left wing idealogs. The reality that the collective impact of immigration into the Uk was significantly more expensive than any small EU effect must have really irritated them. You can get a sense of that in how they reported it. Hence their disclaimer which has no significant argument against the findings they reported on. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

20 Nov 18 1.10pm

'Full Fact' are left wing idealogs.

The reality that the collective impact of immigration into the Uk was significantly more expensive than any small EU effect must have really irritated them.

You can get a sense of that in how they reported it.

Hence their disclaimer which has no significant argument against the findings they reported on.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Penge Eagle Beckenham 20 Nov 18 1.17pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol That article doesn't say anything other than they are slightly sceptical about the numbers. You cannot argue eu migration has no negligible benefit when there are hard facts and stats that say they are of huge benefit Your source is a blog written by a pro EU journalist!

Penge Eagle

Beckenham 20 Nov 18 1.17pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

That article doesn't say anything other than they are slightly sceptical about the numbers.

You cannot argue eu migration has no negligible benefit when there are hard facts and stats that say they are of huge benefit

Your source is a blog written by a pro EU journalist!

Rudi Hedman Caterham 20 Nov 18 1.18pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 In effect, that is what EU would become next March, a foreign parliament controlling the UK without the UK having any say. That is what is actually happening by leaving, handing over control to the EU. We have 7% say. Whoooopppeeeeee dooooooo. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 20 Nov 18 1.18pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

In effect, that is what EU would become next March, a foreign parliament controlling the UK without the UK having any say.

That is what is actually happening by leaving, handing over control to the EU.

We have 7% say. Whoooopppeeeeee dooooooo.

COYP

Rudi Hedman Caterham 20 Nov 18 1.19pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol That article doesn't say anything other than they are slightly sceptical about the numbers. You cannot argue eu migration has no negligible benefit when there are hard facts and stats that say they are of huge benefit Hard facts? Give up son. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 20 Nov 18 1.19pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

That article doesn't say anything other than they are slightly sceptical about the numbers.

You cannot argue eu migration has no negligible benefit when there are hard facts and stats that say they are of huge benefit

Hard facts? Give up son.

COYP

Pussay Patrol 20 Nov 18 1.31pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Hard facts? Give up son. If you don't agree offer some evidence that supports a different theory. All we seem to get on the right is hot air and lies Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Pussay Patrol

20 Nov 18 1.31pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Hard facts? Give up son.

If you don't agree offer some evidence that supports a different theory. All we seem to get on the right is hot air and lies

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

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