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View Kermit8's Profile Kermit8 Flag Hevon 09 Jun 17 12.08pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Well you should if you call yourself a communist.

It is 'the people' that are being screwed and this election is helping that along.

Hope instead of fear?

What we have is a football supporter attitude toward politics where people are voting for a side rather than what is in the countries best interests.
If Brexit is happening then we needed to be in a strong position to negotiate. Now that has been undermined.

May could have had a 150 seat majority and we still wouldn't have 'a strong hand' Our default position is up sh1t creek so far as the EU is concerned. They hold the aces and we have a pair of fives. As it was ever thus once the 51.8% voted.

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 09 Jun 17 12.14pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

May could have had a 150 seat majority and we still wouldn't have 'a strong hand' Our default position is up sh1t creek so far as the EU is concerned. They hold the aces and we have a pair of fives. As it was ever thus once the 51.8% voted.

Old arguments.
Leaving Europe is worth the rocky road.

It was very unwise of the Tories to call an election and it was equally unwise to help create a hung parliament on the basis of naive ideals.

This is democracy.

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 09 Jun 17 2.58pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

The EU will be wondering who is going to show up at the forth-coming negotiations.

'Top of the morning to you, O'Flaherty here......'

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 09 Jun 17 4.44pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

The EU will be wondering who is going to show up at the forth-coming negotiations.

'Top of the morning to you, O'Flaherty here......'

Try saying that in a bar in Dublin.

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 09 Jun 17 4.47pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Mrs.Doyle to represent the UK in the EU negotiations.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 09 Jun 17 4.57pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Old arguments.
Leaving Europe is worth the rocky road.

It was very unwise of the Tories to call an election and it was equally unwise to help create a hung parliament on the basis of naive ideals.

This is democracy.

The election was the right call, I thought. Firstly because they needed to validate Brexit policy with the mandate of a general election and secondly because May was a Prime Minister who never faced an General Election.

The timing wasn't bad either. Labour were in the 'poll toilet'.

The Conservatives threw it away, with poorly timed policies that alienated people, May's history of cutting the police and an opposition that somehow managed to put it differences aside and really campaign hard and target voters. That they were so set on Hard Brexit didn't help. The population are behind leaving the EU, but not at 'any cost' which is how people like May sound at times. For most people its about working migrants - and the Tories did nothing about this - from outside of the EU, when they had the chance - and occasionally kept slipping up and saying maybe 'some free movement' etc.

With UKIP going to the wall, they really should have cleaned up. Instead, they're probably lucky UKIP wasn't splitting their vote somewhat.

Of course, overlooked in this is how well the Conservatives did in Scotland.

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 09 Jun 17 5.02pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

The election was the right call, I thought. Firstly because they needed to validate Brexit policy with the mandate of a general election and secondly because May was a Prime Minister who never faced an General Election.

The timing wasn't bad either. Labour were in the 'poll toilet'.

The Conservatives threw it away, with poorly timed policies that alienated people, May's history of cutting the police and an opposition that somehow managed to put it differences aside and really campaign hard and target voters. That they were so set on Hard Brexit didn't help. The population are behind leaving the EU, but not at 'any cost' which is how people like May sound at times. For most people its about working migrants - and the Tories did nothing about this - from outside of the EU, when they had the chance - and occasionally kept slipping up and saying maybe 'some free movement' etc.

With UKIP going to the wall, they really should have cleaned up. Instead, they're probably lucky UKIP wasn't splitting their vote somewhat.

Of course, overlooked in this is how well the Conservatives did in Scotland.

Yes it probably seemed like a sure thing and May wanted to be elected properly, but given the Brexit vote shock, the Trump shock and the close proximity of Brexit talks, maybe even a seemingly small risk was too big.
Hindsight of course.

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 12 Jun 17 3.09pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Brexit was just an ego trip with no real benefits.

Do people really want years more of it I don't think so every day people will get more fed up with it.

 

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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 12 Jun 17 3.11pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Brexit was just an ego trip with no real benefits.

Do people really want years more of it I don't think so every day people will get more fed up with it.

Why do you support Corbyn then, he has always been anti-EU, as has most of the further left Labour MPs.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 12 Jun 17 3.15pm

Brexit was started by Cameron cowtowing to the Mail thinking he could win votes by offering a referendum.

It's f***ed us.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 12 Jun 17 3.20pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Brexit was started by Cameron cowtowing to the Mail thinking he could win votes by offering a referendum.

It's f***ed us.

It certainly f***ed him.

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 12 Jun 17 3.29pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Why do you support Corbyn then, he has always been anti-EU, as has most of the further left Labour MPs.

Corbyn will not be hanging himself out to dry over brexit.

That's the tory grave-yard.

 

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