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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 24 Apr 23 10.11pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

So the purpose, yet again, was to protect the NHS. Well, it's not as though they haven't shown their gratitude by not going on strike so that's OK.

That's an unrelated, and hugely complicated, debate. Making sure our health service didn't collapse seems pretty important to me.

So does the need to reduce the dependency on overseas and agency nurses. However, I personally find the idea of nurses taking strike action distasteful and contrary to their ethics.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Ok, if you want to be pedantic, N95 "type" masks. It's how people refer to them as they are nearly identical.

My wife, and her colleagues, continue to wear surgical masks for their daily work. So they believe they are effective. Whether just in providing reassurance or in restricting the chances of receiving a direct heavy viral load, or both, I don't know. They have N95 types available for specific situations. Patients don't have to wear masks, but they are available for those who want them.

Oh, really? And what would those "specific situations" be in a hospital?

 


Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 25 Apr 23 8.02am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

Oh, really? And what would those "specific situations" be in a hospital?

I am not a clinician so am not able to answer in detail but believe they are when there is a higher risk of the transfer of micro-organisms during medical procedures.

 


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Apparently, a widespread side effect of the vaccinations is that people post endlessly on football forums, arguing the toss with absolutely no prospect of any constructive, objective conclusions.

 

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There are no winners in internet arguments. Only losers

 


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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 25 Apr 23 9.26am Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

One thing that rears it's head with me over Covid, is accountability (or lack of).
I am currently working in an accounts department for a Local Authority. Everything, absolutely everything is checked and double-checked and is a completely transparent and traceable chain of events for generating purchase orders and settling of invoices.

Mess-ups do happen, but in the vast majority of cases, are nipped at the next stage.
It has educated me as to what a convoluted process, and necessarily so, purchasing within a large organisation is.

What happened with those Covid contracts is criminal behaviour. The suspension of due process whilst these contracts were issued was like giving Ministers handfuls of "Set for life" winning lottery tickets, with no chance of investigation.

criminal behaviour that should be exposed.

 


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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 25 Apr 23 9.35am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

One thing that rears it's head with me over Covid, is accountability (or lack of).
I am currently working in an accounts department for a Local Authority. Everything, absolutely everything is checked and double-checked and is a completely transparent and traceable chain of events for generating purchase orders and settling of invoices.

Mess-ups do happen, but in the vast majority of cases, are nipped at the next stage.
It has educated me as to what a convoluted process, and necessarily so, purchasing within a large organisation is.

What happened with those Covid contracts is criminal behaviour. The suspension of due process whilst these contracts were issued was like giving Ministers handfuls of "Set for life" winning lottery tickets, with no chance of investigation.

criminal behaviour that should be exposed.

I was involved in purchasing in my job and when the company introduced SAP things really changed - easily accessible audit trails make a lot of difference.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 25 Apr 23 9.43am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

I was involved in purchasing in my job and when the company introduced SAP things really changed - easily accessible audit trails make a lot of difference.



Assuming of course there is a decent audit team who can stand up to management.

My brother worked in the same bank as me in the Audit division. Despite all the management BS about doing the right thing he and the rest of the team were put under immense pressure by management whenever they discovered something dodgy.

Mostly they were able to do their job but it wasn't easy when somebody really senior tells you to change your conclusions.

So the systems are available to track and expose fraud etc. that's not the issue it's whether management want to know about it.

What processes did Croydon Council have in place?

Edited by Badger11 (25 Apr 2023 9.44am)

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 25 Apr 23 7.05pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

One thing that rears it's head with me over Covid, is accountability (or lack of).
I am currently working in an accounts department for a Local Authority. Everything, absolutely everything is checked and double-checked and is a completely transparent and traceable chain of events for generating purchase orders and settling of invoices.

Mess-ups do happen, but in the vast majority of cases, are nipped at the next stage.
It has educated me as to what a convoluted process, and necessarily so, purchasing within a large organisation is.

What happened with those Covid contracts is criminal behaviour. The suspension of due process whilst these contracts were issued was like giving Ministers handfuls of "Set for life" winning lottery tickets, with no chance of investigation.

criminal behaviour that should be exposed.

Criminal behaviour certainly ought to be exposed but I think we ought to wait until after the enquiry before deciding this was.

Acting fast to cut through red tape in an emergency may present easy targets later, but doesn't necessarily mean criminality was involved.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 25 Apr 23 7.14pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11



Assuming of course there is a decent audit team who can stand up to management.

My brother worked in the same bank as me in the Audit division. Despite all the management BS about doing the right thing he and the rest of the team were put under immense pressure by management whenever they discovered something dodgy.

Mostly they were able to do their job but it wasn't easy when somebody really senior tells you to change your conclusions.

So the systems are available to track and expose fraud etc. that's not the issue it's whether management want to know about it.

What processes did Croydon Council have in place?

Edited by Badger11 (25 Apr 2023 9.44am)

The Company I managed had outside auditors, KPMG, arrive every year at the behest of the overseas owners. They worked completely independently, made no social chit-chat with me or my staff, and only made demands for documents. Their presence was extremely disruptive and mega-expensive, but never once turned up anything of concern. The point, of course, was they were completely independent, so the owners knew they could be trusted.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The Company I managed had outside auditors, KPMG, arrive every year at the behest of the overseas owners. They worked completely independently, made no social chit-chat with me or my staff, and only made demands for documents. Their presence was extremely disruptive and mega-expensive, but never once turned up anything of concern. The point, of course, was they were completely independent, so the owners knew they could be trusted.

Sure and my point was this works as long as the owners / senior staff aren't in on the fiddle.

At my bank if you failed an audit all staff in that division did not get an annual bonus and it was a black mark for the senior management team regarding careers.

So they had a vested interest in putting pressure on the audit team to tone stuff down or even ignore it as in "we'll fix that but no need to mention it in the report".

I'm sure this goes on at a lot of places. You mentioned KPMG how many times have they and Price Waterhouse etc. signed off on accounts only for that company to go belly up not long afterwards.

 


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Originally posted by Badger11

I'm sure this goes on at a lot of places. You mentioned KPMG how many times have they and Price Waterhouse etc. signed off on accounts only for that company to go belly up not long afterwards.


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