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nickgusset  Shizzlehurst 01 Jun 16 2.06pm |
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 Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Jun 16 3.14pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Heavens above. As Boris Johnson once said "An inverted pyramid of piffle" ! Article mentioned "Crude generalisations" which was very apt.I have spoken to vast numbers of Brexiteers and they certainly don't fit the profile portrayed in the blog. Article also mentioned "Crackpot Extra-Right Tory fringe" - Many would say I'm a "Crackpot" and I am most certainly on that "Wing" of the party !!!!
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| Hoof Hearted 01 Jun 16 3.15pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I think this raises an interesting flaw in the idea of 'who's British' that actually no one really has a way of determining who is and who isn't British. Its curious, maybe, that there isn't a central registry that lists all British nationals against which verification could be conducted. Which suggest to me, that the idea of British Nationality isn't really that much of an important thing to governments in terms of ascertaining (and probably now an absolute nightmare to implement). Do those ID cards seem like a good idea now? They always did jamie! It's only the likes of Nick Clegg and his Liberal namby pamby class that were against them. All law abiding citizens have no problem with the need to carry ID to prove who they are. Would make life that bit more difficult for illegals and terrorist types to continue living here as easily as they do now.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 01 Jun 16 3.28pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
Heavens above. As Boris Johnson once said "An inverted pyramid of piffle" ! Article mentioned "Crude generalisations" which was very apt.I have spoken to vast numbers of Brexiteers and they certainly don't fit the profile portrayed in the blog. Article also mentioned "Crackpot Extra-Right Tory fringe" - Many would say I'm a "Crackpot" and I am most certainly on that "Wing" of the party !!!!
It's not a great article/blog, but I do agree with his basic 'us v them' point. Some of the generalisations made (on both sides of the debate) on here and elsewhere, have been staggeringly stupid. The final sign off is a fair reflection of the whole campaign though; "Sadly both camps in the EU debate have realised that playing on people's basic emotions (anger and fear) is a good way to herd them over to their side of the argument, hence the appallingly low general standard of debate about such an important political issue. "
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| DanH SW2 01 Jun 16 4.48pm |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
They always did jamie! It's only the likes of Nick Clegg and his Liberal namby pamby class that were against them. All law abiding citizens have no problem with the need to carry ID to prove who they are. Would make life that bit more difficult for illegals and terrorist types to continue living here as easily as they do now. To be fair I'm approaching thirty and my youthful looks keep getting me IDed. Not being a driver they would have made my life easier as I'm f*cked if I'm carrying my passport everywhere.
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 Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 01 Jun 16 4.55pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
To be fair I'm approaching thirty and my youthful looks keep getting me IDed. Not being a driver they would have made my life easier as I'm f*cked if I'm carrying my passport everywhere. If that's the case, you should be compelled to carry it at all times.
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| legaleagle 01 Jun 16 8.12pm |
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Those with a Commonwealth passport living here can vote...At least EU nationals have a close connection with the EU....but people rarely seem to raise this anomaly allowing Commonwealth nations to vote in all our elections... Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
Voters in this referendum should be limited to those that can turn up with a valid British passport as well as polling card to prove they are eligible.
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| davenotamonkey 01 Jun 16 8.17pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
No I don't agree with many of the points made by "JamieMartin". Regarding free movement of Labour, admittedly Norway signed up for this but it certainly doesn't mean that the UK would do so. It is inconceivable that we would leave the EU yet allow the 'Status Quo' , as this whole issue is central to BREXIT. Regards the 'European Court Of Justice' they can interfere with our ability to deport criminals whose presence in our country is NOT conducive to the good of the public. The ECJ have the ultimate authority over whether we can remove such reprobates.Furthermore the ECJ can use the "Charter of Fundamental Rights' to overturn decisions of our elected politicians on asylum policy Edited by Willo (01 Jun 2016 1.19pm) As indeed do I. It was a farce of a reply that even conflated the ECJ with the ECHR - erm.... OK! I'm hungry, so I would rather cook and eat than dismantle the (indeed) "piffle" offered as rebuttal to Willo's comments. What I will say, however, is that despite your list, Willo, of these elements of the EU-UK relationship, it matters not one iota whether Leave are on the right side of history.... Money and big-business interests talk, and right now, they (JP Morgan, Bank of America, Goldmann Sachs, Morgan Stanley) talk in the form of 5-figure donations to the Remain camp. That's just the quasi-transparent money trail. You bet there's more going on under the table.
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| chris123 hove actually 01 Jun 16 8.37pm |
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Last week it was 4/1 and 1/7 for exit or stay, now it's 5/2 and 2/7.
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| becky over the moon 01 Jun 16 10.15pm |
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Originally posted by big_palace_fan
Regardless of your side, you should appreciate the EU as a force for peace. 100 years ago, this coming July 1st, 60,000 British soldiers were marched to their death on the first morning of the Battle of the Somme. Simply inconceivable now that we could be controlled by Germany and the European Union should take all of credit for that. E.F.A.
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| nhp61 Goring-By-Sea born, now in Brackne... 01 Jun 16 11.35pm |
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Originally posted by big_palace_fan
Regardless of your side, you should appreciate the EU as a force for peace. 100 years ago, this coming July 1st, 60,000 British soldiers were marched to their death on the first morning of the Battle of the Somme. Simply inconceivable now that we could be at war with Germany and the European Union should take a lot of credit for that. Saying the EU is a force for peace is absolute bollocks. After World War 2 the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO) was formed, uniting most of the western European countries with the USA and Canada with a militarily common and co-operation plan. That has been what has kept the peace in Europe, not the EU. In fact, it was the EU's meddling in Ukraine, antagonising the Russians that has caused the bloodshed in Crimea.
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| Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 02 Jun 16 1.14am |
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Originally posted by nhp61
Saying the EU is a force for peace is absolute bollocks. After World War 2 the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO) was formed, uniting most of the western European countries with the USA and Canada with a militarily common and co-operation plan. That has been what has kept the peace in Europe, not the EU. In fact, it was the EU's meddling in Ukraine, antagonising the Russians that has caused the bloodshed in Crimea.
Yet more sh*te he's come out with.
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Kermit8  Hevon 02 Jun 16 8.37am |
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Originally posted by nhp61
Saying the EU is a force for peace is absolute bollocks. After World War 2 the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO) was formed, uniting most of the western European countries with the USA and Canada with a militarily common and co-operation plan. That has been what has kept the peace in Europe, not the EU. In fact, it was the EU's meddling in Ukraine, antagonising the Russians that has caused the bloodshed in Crimea.
Boris disagrees with you: ""It was his [Churchill] idea to bring these countries together. To bind them so indissolubly that they could never go to war again. And who can deny today that this idea has been a spectacular success? Together with NATO (another institution for which he can claim joint credit) the European Community, now Union, has delivered a period of peace and prosperity for its people as long as any since the days of the Antonine emperors”.
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| DivingIsNotGood se25 02 Jun 16 9.37am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Boris disagrees with you: ""It was his [Churchill] idea to bring these countries together. To bind them so indissolubly that they could never go to war again. And who can deny today that this idea has been a spectacular success? Together with NATO (another institution for which he can claim joint credit) the European Community, now Union, has delivered a period of peace and prosperity for its people as long as any since the days of the Antonine emperors”. Churchill days how many foreign-born nationals lived in European countries? How many immigrants were in Britain?
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 02 Jun 16 10.07am |
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Originally posted by DivingIsNotGood
Churchill days how many foreign-born nationals lived in European countries? How many immigrants were in Britain? How many foreign born nationals ruled their own country in the Days of Churchill. Its a bit rich to use Churchill and that era of British History as an argument on migration and foreign influence, given the then existence of the British Empire.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 02 Jun 16 10.11am |
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Originally posted by DivingIsNotGood
Churchill days how many foreign-born nationals lived in European countries? How many immigrants were in Britain? I think, in our time, he would be considered a racist and a bit of a supremacist, but certainly not for his own era. By our Modern standards, the likes of Pitt would be probably considered racist, and he abolished the UK Slave trade. Its brutally unfair to compare people in other eras to our own sensibilities.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 02 Jun 16 10.19am |
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Originally posted by big_palace_fan
Regardless of your side, you should appreciate the EU as a force for peace. 100 years ago, this coming July 1st, 60,000 British soldiers were marched to their death on the first morning of the Battle of the Somme. Simply inconceivable now that we could be at war with Germany and the European Union should take a lot of credit for that. Not really, true. The driving force behind the first world war was Imperialism and colonialism. Effectively as the European powers and world changed, the economic and power interests of these waning powers, shifted dramatically with the rise of national liberation movements in the colonies and the desire for self rule. This creates a Europe in which the need to compete for resources generated a mutual shared interest among the major European power basis, along with the threat of communism and fascism, to bring them closer together (both effectively being anti-capitalist movements - that threatened the status quo of the 'ruling elite' It would be churlish to imagine that the EU somehow kept the peace. What kept the peace was a shift in global power (to the US), the collapse of imperialism to US capitalism and the threat of the soviet and sino-communists, to that new capital imperialism.
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