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 Swindy  Bromley 22 Dec 20 3.42pm |
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| madcap_v2 SE25 / Ibiza 22 Dec 20 3.56pm |
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Originally posted by Swindy
It has become a cliche. I'm sure the club paid tribute to him at the time, and rightly so.
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| madcap_v2 SE25 / Ibiza 22 Dec 20 4.00pm |
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
No fair enough and I’m not being deliberatively provocative so I’ll emphasise this is my perspective as opposed to claiming it as fact. Whilst those events may have been impactful yes, what i see is a massive shift to left wing identity politics consuming the nation. It has become inescapable and whilst not picking on any particular issue it is starting to generally p!ss people off, the constant bombardment. Haven’t seen it mentioned too much but I’d suggest this is partly behind opposition of the kneeling before every single game, it’s constantly shoved down throats and people are getting tired if not sick of it. Not only that, but battle lines are being drawn, I’d say most definitely from the left, which insists people are either on one side or another. Therefore, I think we’re seeing and will continue to see a lot of centrally swimming people being shoved or completely swept to the right. Even if they do not directly choose that box they certainly will be categorised as such by any minor deviation from the absolute narrative. So whilst your suggested events and point is most probably correct, I would suggest that the minority will continue to rise in numbers and become more aggressive (an offensive defence if you will) as a result of what we’re (or I am) seeing to be a very aggressive and growing extreme left wing agenda. You can understand why I might have thought that way But yeah, sadly it's a neverending circle, caused by division. Neither side will give in, so I can't see that ending. A genuine question, non-provocative question, does what you're seeing effect you directly, targeted, in person etc in your day to day life?
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Nicholas91  The Democratic Republic of Kent 22 Dec 20 5.07pm |
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Originally posted by madcap_v2
You can understand why I might have thought that way But yeah, sadly it's a neverending circle, caused by division. Neither side will give in, so I can't see that ending. A genuine question, non-provocative question, does what you're seeing effect you directly, targeted, in person etc in your day to day life? Yep totally get it so was trying to be clear lol And I agree with your sentiment in that I don’t really see much being solved and genuinely do see more division coming. As for it affecting me, yes it does. I view the whole thing as complete nonsense which does p!ss me off but more so I find deeply worrying. Not the sentiments behind any particular issue, perhaps shocking but more often than not I fully support the sentiment and I believe rightly so, but what I see is quite an obvious hijacking and mismanagement of these. It very rarely if ever feels like a noble quest for equality, which again I would fully support, but more like an aggressive power grab or ideological coercion ‘in the name of’ which, as mentioned previously, is causing more division.That might feel like it needs examples but I’m speaking (very) generally as could be here all day.
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| Plumpton eagle East Sussex 22 Dec 20 5.17pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The sooner people stop worrying how people like yourself think the better for the rest of society in general. The left talk about 'inclusion' but the reality is that they exclude. I was watching black and foreign players kick a football for Palace for decades and there was never any real issues...not that I saw. But as soon as the far left have their politics become the mainstream all of a sudden anyone who complains about it infecting football is a racist. Choose the centre one and spin. Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Dec 2020 3.32pm) Well thought out reply,a real knock out blow. That totally wins any argument - even though I don't really know what it means. You may have been watching Palace for decades (like me) but you are clearly still down with the yoof. How did you get to be so bitter, angry and extreme towards anyone that dares to post an opinion different to your own on a Palace fans forum? Oh of course, I nearly forgot, anyone different to you must be demonised. I guess you feel that then gives you a valid reason to hit out. I can see why you need your demons - people might think that you are a bit deranged otherwise. But demonising people different to you means that there is no need for civility and you can believe/say/call them whatever you like - because they deserve it. I am going to guess that you have got a lot of demons.
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BlueJay  UK 22 Dec 20 5.20pm |
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Grandads Guide to Blacks £9.99
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 Hrolf The Ganger 22 Dec 20 5.29pm |
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Originally posted by Plumpton eagle
Well thought out reply,a real knock out blow. That totally wins any argument - even though I don't really know what it means. You may have been watching Palace for decades (like me) but you are clearly still down with the yoof. How did you get to be so bitter, angry and extreme towards anyone that dares to post an opinion different to your own on a Palace fans forum? Oh of course, I nearly forgot, anyone different to you must be demonised. I guess you feel that then gives you a valid reason to hit out. I can see why you need your demons - people might think that you are a bit deranged otherwise. But demonising people different to you means that there is no need for civility and you can believe/say/call them whatever you like - because they deserve it. I am going to guess that you have got a lot of demons. The usual old hypocritical guff. You do realise that you are the one with a problem with differing opinions? Of course, you don't. When we start changing our views because other people disapprove, we are in big trouble. That is quasi religious loon talk. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (22 Dec 2020 7.54pm)
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| Stirlingsays 22 Dec 20 5.50pm |
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Originally posted by Plumpton eagle
Well thought out reply,a real knock out blow. That totally wins any argument - even though I don't really know what it means. You may have been watching Palace for decades (like me) but you are clearly still down with the yoof. How did you get to be so bitter, angry and extreme towards anyone that dares to post an opinion different to your own on a Palace fans forum? Oh of course, I nearly forgot, anyone different to you must be demonised. I guess you feel that then gives you a valid reason to hit out. I can see why you need your demons - people might think that you are a bit deranged otherwise. But demonising people different to you means that there is no need for civility and you can believe/say/call them whatever you like - because they deserve it. I am going to guess that you have got a lot of demons.
You started the name calling at people who object to politics in sport and then you want to b1tch when you get negative feedback. 'Oh of course, I nearly forgot, anyone different to you must be demonised.' Don't read posts properly do you.....I literally said, we all watched black and foreign players kick a football for decades with no real problems.....The problems have come because you lot seek to shove your identity politics down everyone's throat....sport should be as apolitical as possible. Before people like you there literally wasn't any exclusion. Keep spinning.
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| Plumpton eagle East Sussex 22 Dec 20 7.11pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
You started the name calling at people who object to politics in sport and then you want to b1tch when you get negative feedback. 'Oh of course, I nearly forgot, anyone different to you must be demonised.' Don't read posts properly do you.....I literally said, we all watched black and foreign players kick a football for decades with no real problems.....The problems have come because you lot seek to shove your identity politics down everyone's throat....sport should be as apolitical as possible. Before people like you there literally wasn't any exclusion. Keep spinning. Show me one name in this thread that I have called anyone. Go on. When replying to me you refer to "you lot". What are you talking about? I have posted as an individual and given reasons for my personal opinions. It really is strange that you have to concoct some way to justify your extreme views and childlike put downs. It reminds me a bit of Life of Brian. The Romans, they bled us white the b*stards, took everything from us and our fathers and our fathers fathers..........All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?” The other side must be demonised. The alternative would be to have a reasonable exchange of views "Keep spinning" Really.....how old are you? Is it beyond possibility to just say "Why don't we just agree to disagree and get back to supporting Palace?"
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| Tom-the-eagle Croydon 22 Dec 20 7.36pm |
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Originally posted by Plumpton eagle
Show me one name in this thread that I have called anyone. Go on. When replying to me you refer to "you lot". What are you talking about? I have posted as an individual and given reasons for my personal opinions. It really is strange that you have to concoct some way to justify your extreme views and childlike put downs. It reminds me a bit of Life of Brian. The Romans, they bled us white the b*stards, took everything from us and our fathers and our fathers fathers..........All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?” The other side must be demonised. The alternative would be to have a reasonable exchange of views "Keep spinning" Really.....how old are you? Is it beyond possibility to just say "Why don't we just agree to disagree and get back to supporting Palace?"
There you go
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| Stirlingsays 22 Dec 20 8.06pm |
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Originally posted by Plumpton eagle
Show me one name in this thread that I have called anyone. Go on. When replying to me you refer to "you lot". What are you talking about? I have posted as an individual and given reasons for my personal opinions. It really is strange that you have to concoct some way to justify your extreme views and childlike put downs. It reminds me a bit of Life of Brian. The Romans, they bled us white the b*stards, took everything from us and our fathers and our fathers fathers..........All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?” The other side must be demonised. The alternative would be to have a reasonable exchange of views "Keep spinning" Really.....how old are you? Is it beyond possibility to just say "Why don't we just agree to disagree and get back to supporting Palace?" People who play games with name calling and then claim innocence are just being dishonest. This isn't the sixth form, the pin dancing doesn't work here. This whole thread contains people who have supported the right to boo, and no doubt the very reason you decided to come onto it was to insult them with your virtue signalled ideas of moral supremacy. Amusingly you claim those who disagree with you on this issue are playing the victim and then once you are criticised you act precisely like one. You choose to accuse people with an insult so if you don't like the heat that comes with that then tough. You will be treated in kind.
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| cryrst The garden of England 22 Dec 20 8.13pm |
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Originally posted by madcap_v2
I'm sure the club paid tribute to him at the time, and rightly so. And mentioned how racist the killer was.
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| cryrst The garden of England 22 Dec 20 8.19pm |
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And hes black ha ha
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 22 Dec 20 9.14pm |
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Originally posted by madcap_v2
You can understand why I might have thought that way But yeah, sadly it's a neverending circle, caused by division. Neither side will give in, so I can't see that ending. A genuine question, non-provocative question, does what you're seeing effect you directly, targeted, in person etc in your day to day life? When you say ‘sides’, who is in the opposite side to you and over which issues. You see it’s the kind of vagueness that doesn’t help. I can’t even remember which disagreements we’ve had, but I can promise you I’d agree with some things you’d want to change. The problem is you won’t say what they are and you’re drawing battle lines over what exactly?
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| Tom-the-eagle Croydon 22 Dec 20 9.18pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
When you say ‘sides’, who is in the opposite side to you and over which issues. You see it’s the kind of vagueness that doesn’t help. I can’t even remember which disagreements we’ve had, but I can promise you I’d agree with some things you’d want to change. The problem is you won’t say what they are and you’re drawing battle lines over what exactly? You’re wasting you time trying to debate with him Rudi. He doesn’t know what he wants, he’s been asked enough. He’s so used to playing the victim he now doesn’t know who or what is meant to be victimising him. He’s an empty vessel.
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| madcap_v2 SE25 / Ibiza 22 Dec 20 10.44pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
When you say ‘sides’, who is in the opposite side to you and over which issues. You see it’s the kind of vagueness that doesn’t help. I can’t even remember which disagreements we’ve had, but I can promise you I’d agree with some things you’d want to change. The problem is you won’t say what they are and you’re drawing battle lines over what exactly? Right and left. I thought that much was obvious?
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| madcap_v2 SE25 / Ibiza 22 Dec 20 10.49pm |
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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle
You’re wasting you time trying to debate with him Rudi. He doesn’t know what he wants, he’s been asked enough. He’s so used to playing the victim he now doesn’t know who or what is meant to be victimising him. He’s an empty vessel. Oh I know, I've answered it enough, you're just not paying attention and I'm not arsed to repeat yourself. Chrisr, it's been in my signature for the last few days. Failing to see where I've played victim here either, bit of a reach there but probably a generalisation, which I'm not surprised of. But finding you a bit of a weirdo if I'm honest.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 23 Dec 20 12.39am |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
It's not a conversation when about 6 or 7 people round on one, whatever that view may or may not. There's sometimes a fine line between conversation and 'cathartic'. Christmas is approaching. Time for a bit of good will for all and from all. Edited by BlueJay (23 Dec 2020 12.28am) True, but we are only asking what would you like? And the answer is he’s already said, yet won’t repeat it, or can’t be &rsed. Just say. No, won’t. Well why debate or make claims if when asked further it doesn’t go any further. I doubt there’s anybody on here that doesn’t find racial abuse deplorable so we’re not going to disagree on abuse etc on the street he’s possibly had/referring to. I’ e already said I’d probably agree on some things that should change.
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