This is what Churchill (who did not support Britain's membership of the emerging European Community at the time or any other) said on the subject in 1953 (quote taken from Hansard online - so easily verified BTW)

“Where do we stand? We are not members of the European Defence Community, nor do we intend to be merged in a Federal European system. We feel we have a special relation to both. This can be expressed by prepositions, by the preposition ‘with’ but not ‘of’ – we are with them, but not of them. We have our own Commonwealth and Empire.”

Do you know what... today for the first time in weeks I am actually feeling that the LEAVE campaign is beginning to fire on all cylinders now and the message is finally getting through to the voting public.

SNP voters in Scotland were rumoured to be 100% against Brexit, but R4 Today Programme said about 33% of them are now pro Brexit for 2 reasons. Most cannot forgive the EU's common fisheries policy that decimated Scotland's fleet, but some are voting for leave to invoke another Scotland Independence referendum.

R4 Today also said - A lot of Labour supporters are nonplussed by the EU referendum and see it as just a Tory spat, so not really motivated to actually vote. They also see Corbyn's U turn on the matter baffling (he has strongly campaigned for 40+ years against EU bureaucracy) and his heart isn't in it - he cannot bring himself to stand on a rostrum with Cameron and his speeches are very tame (as usual).

A lot of Old Labour supporters despise Blair and his endorsement of Remain has them wondering if he is lying again and all probably conclude that if his lips are moving... then he is lying.

The bookies are shortening the odds on a Brexit and Hedge Fund Managers are taking up positions on the basis of a Brexit victory being more likely.

Momentum is gathering chaps!

City Traders are more interested about the possibility of The Fed raising interest rates and the effect of that before any other minor concerns.

And yes it is going to be great... like removing the shackles and seeing a bright new dawn.

If the country stays in I'm going to take it pretty badly.

We are the most skeptic country in the EU so if we don't leave the pro-EU lot will paint this country in their image......I don't think I could stand it.

Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Jun 2016 11.47am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Unlikely.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Arguably, if the vote was to remain, then I think that maybe there is a 'distance' between how the media and press regarded the EU and Euro Scepticism, and what the people themselves generally think of the EU.

Sometimes what politicians say and the media argues about doesn't necessarily reflect the 'common man'. The UK might only appear to be more split over Europe on the basis of the issues in the Conservative party division over the EU. The knock on of which has been to create news and UKIP etc.

There very well could be a very large part of the population, even among the conservative voters, who simply don't share that scepticism.

Although I generally think if you want a cynical or sceptical view of anything, you'd ask a British person about it. We're a cynical lot.

I think the vote will favour remain. Because in the end, those who aren't fully decided, will go with the 'safe option' which is always the 'status quo' carry on as usual. They usually do. But I'll be voting out.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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I don't think that's the case. The need to compete for territory, as a means of status and economic power, was gone, with the demise of the British and French Empires, the world changed dramatically. Before WWII the influence of the US, on the economy and global stage, was f**ked from 1929 onwards.

Post WWII empires and territory was no longer relevant. The US and wealth production was the new source of political capital, economy etc and the competition was the Soviet and Sino-Communists.

As such the future of European nations, really was re-defined by the need for mutual co-operation, rather than competition. For those across Europe, as the national liberation movements flared, was really about which 'way' they would go, Capitalism or Socialism.

Empire was a dead beast, it could not compete post war with the socialism and the power of US capitalism. You could even see this in the divisions within the UK, with the rise of Labour and Trade Unionism.

WWIII was fought through proxies, and called the Cold War. We didn't call it WWIII because it was 'different', the wars were fought around the world, by the super powers. Not so much for territory per se, but for access to resources and markets.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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See our news channels have conveniently forgotten to report this [Link]

The whole vote is a massive scam rig, the in will win even when 99.9% vote out.

VOTING OUT - Brexit will allow Britain to embrace the Commonwealth and be GREAT again

Don't be silly. There's more foreigners outside of England then there are here. For the moment.

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VOTING OUT - Brexit will allow Britain to embrace the Commonwealth and be GREAT again