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dreamwaverider Flag London 08 Aug 23 5.35pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Are you Roy Hodgson ?

 

Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 08 Aug 23 5.38pm

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

Yes, I think you may be right. I've said it before and will don my tin hat here prior to saying it again, but I personally think both Andersen and Guehi, good players though they are, are relatively overrated.

As you say, the former doesn't punch his weight at all. For me, the latter is just too short for his position and has skills that would be better suited to a possession-dominating side who press high. He would then spend more time using his ability on the ball and his pace, which are his main attributes.

A centre-back for a side outside the top six is likely to have to defend the penalty box a lot more, where height and strength in the air matter. We have let in an inordinate number of goals following crosses from our right to the zone that Guehi and Mitchell police. It became apparent last season that opposition coaches were targeting that area, and may be a big part of the reason why we have switched from an excellent shot-stopping goalkeeper to a taller, more aggressive one.

As per my last post, my fear in selling either is simply that it will start the ball rolling and they will all want to go, through that seems an inevitable part of our current strategy anyway.

Edited by TheBigToePunt (08 Aug 2023 5.07pm)

Agree with every word TBTP.

Whilst it all sounds quite damning I think they’re a very good duo for us despite their respective shortcomings. I also think for the reasons you’ve highlighted both may be considered as having higher value to bigger and better teams than they do for us, ironically and in direct contrast to Wilf where he was invaluable to us but not to the big guns. Hence the interest and speculation in both players.

I also feel similarly in either domino falling. If one goes the other might but also they are equally the literal and metaphorical foundation on which our team exists. A lot of doubt and over the shoulder looking may arise if that defensive alliance is broken and the whole team might look a bit shaky. Equally, if we keep both, it will definitely make everything look a bit more stable to me, if not perfect.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

Ali_Campbell Flag New Addington 08 Aug 23 7.09pm

Hall will hopefully be announced this week

 

ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 08 Aug 23 7.14pm

Originally posted by Ali_Campbell

Hall will hopefully be announced this week

Nobody mention "It's a knockout"

 


Red and Blue Army!

Swindy Flag Bromley 08 Aug 23 7.37pm

Should the loan signing of a young Chelsea centre half not be seen as an attempt to reinforce our squad numbers, which Roy was bemoaning yesterday on SKY, rather than a prelude to someone leaving ??

 

beak Flag croydon 08 Aug 23 7.59pm

Originally posted by Swindy

Should the loan signing of a young Chelsea centre half not be seen as an attempt to reinforce our squad numbers, which Roy was bemoaning yesterday on SKY, rather than a prelude to someone leaving ??

Centre Half ????Main position:
Left-Back
Other position:
Left Midfield
Central Midfield

 

doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 08 Aug 23 8.18pm

Originally posted by Swindy

Should the loan signing of a young Chelsea centre half not be seen as an attempt to reinforce our squad numbers, which Roy was bemoaning yesterday on SKY, rather than a prelude to someone leaving ??


Are you referring to Chalobah, Swindy?

 

Toronto_CPFC Flag Toronto 08 Aug 23 8.30pm

In a couple of years Guehi will be the Nathan Ake replacement at City......

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Agree with every word TBTP.

Whilst it all sounds quite damning I think they’re a very good duo for us despite their respective shortcomings. I also think for the reasons you’ve highlighted both may be considered as having higher value to bigger and better teams than they do for us, ironically and in direct contrast to Wilf where he was invaluable to us but not to the big guns. Hence the interest and speculation in both players.

I also feel similarly in either domino falling. If one goes the other might but also they are equally the literal and metaphorical foundation on which our team exists. A lot of doubt and over the shoulder looking may arise if that defensive alliance is broken and the whole team might look a bit shaky. Equally, if we keep both, it will definitely make everything look a bit more stable to me, if not perfect.

 


Watching every game live on TV doesn't come close to the real thing..... COYP

ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 08 Aug 23 8.35pm

Originally posted by Swindy

Should the loan signing of a young Chelsea centre half not be seen as an attempt to reinforce our squad numbers, which Roy was bemoaning yesterday on SKY, rather than a prelude to someone leaving ??

I wouldn't think so but the German lad, plus the odd other link with centre backs has had plenty thinking. I can't remember the names right now - had a day off and a few drinks.

 


Red and Blue Army!

Eaglecoops Flag CR3 08 Aug 23 9.17pm

Originally posted by Swindy

Should the loan signing of a young Chelsea centre half not be seen as an attempt to reinforce our squad numbers, which Roy was bemoaning yesterday on SKY, rather than a prelude to someone leaving ??

You would like to think so, but although unlikely, it would not surprise me if we sell Guehi and Andersen for a combined £90m - £100m and then buy Schuurs or one of the other centre halves we have been linked with and take Chalobah on loan with an option to buy.

It would certainly resolve some of our financial issues if we are looking to buy a striker and winger.

To be honest, I feel our transfer plans are reactive rather than proactive, but maybe or should I say hopefully I am doing them an injustice.

 

samprior Flag Hamburg 08 Aug 23 9.29pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

You would like to think so, but although unlikely, it would not surprise me if we sell Guehi and Andersen for a combined £90m - £100m and then buy Schuurs or one of the other centre halves we have been linked with and take Chalobah on loan with an option to buy.

It would certainly resolve some of our financial issues if we are looking to buy a striker and winger.

To be honest, I feel our transfer plans are reactive rather than proactive, but maybe or should I say hopefully I am doing them an injustice.

I would agree but it appears we have very little money to spend and hence why we can't really be proactive. Rumours about interest in loads of our players Andersen, Guehi, Doucouré, Olise, even Mateta...but all have come to nothing giving us nothing to spend and a seemingly unsettled squad.

 

Swindy Flag Bromley 08 Aug 23 9.46pm

Would think it very unlikely both first choice centre halves would be sold, given Zaha's departure and Olise's likely one though in practice it would give our esteemed chairman yet more money to avoid investing in the most important area, that's the first team squad Steve !!

 

Hudsoneagle Flag 09 Aug 23 12.28am

I don’t think I agree with our transfer plans being totally reactive.

Remember all the pundits and reporters talking about how much trouble we were in when we had 13 players out of contract. It was basically a case of everyone saying without those players, we are done for. Roll on the summer. We kept the ones we wanted, and replaced the ones we didn’t, with younger more promising players. That whole summer transfer window had been planned for…and we have done well out of it.

So why do we keep running the club down like they can’t plan signings? It’s ludicrous to suggest the club don’t have a list of players they watch. Almost every club in the world has a list of players they want…lower down the leagues, if it’s not the club it’s the manager.

Those players are likely on a lot of others clubs lists as well…so it’s never as simple as it seems.

 

Aray Flag South London 09 Aug 23 12.42am

Originally posted by Hudsoneagle

I don’t think I agree with our transfer plans being totally reactive.

Remember all the pundits and reporters talking about how much trouble we were in when we had 13 players out of contract. It was basically a case of everyone saying without those players, we are done for. Roll on the summer. We kept the ones we wanted, and replaced the ones we didn’t, with younger more promising players. That whole summer transfer window had been planned for…and we have done well out of it.

So why do we keep running the club down like they can’t plan signings? It’s ludicrous to suggest the club don’t have a list of players they watch. Almost every club in the world has a list of players they want…lower down the leagues, if it’s not the club it’s the manager.

Those players are likely on a lot of others clubs lists as well…so it’s never as simple as it seems.

Couldn’t agree more. Buying Franca shows the club is trying to find talent.

 

Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 09 Aug 23 12.51am

Originally posted by Hudsoneagle

I don’t think I agree with our transfer plans being totally reactive.

Remember all the pundits and reporters talking about how much trouble we were in when we had 13 players out of contract. It was basically a case of everyone saying without those players, we are done for. Roll on the summer. We kept the ones we wanted, and replaced the ones we didn’t, with younger more promising players. That whole summer transfer window had been planned for…and we have done well out of it.

So why do we keep running the club down like they can’t plan signings? It’s ludicrous to suggest the club don’t have a list of players they watch. Almost every club in the world has a list of players they want…lower down the leagues, if it’s not the club it’s the manager.

Those players are likely on a lot of others clubs lists as well…so it’s never as simple as it seems.

I think the idea is that the ideal your average fan has, in terms of a transfer window, will always be beyond the reality for the club and therefore present as insufficient with the suggestion of a ‘reactive’ policy suiting the bill so far as an explanation. Anything but 5-6 quality players, for both the first team and squad, signed in the first fortnight might qualify as such.

To a certain extent, you might ask, within an environment where you have players playing games with contracts, injuries, other clubs turning your players heads or stealing them altogether and an unknown in terms of clubs/players reactions to approaches, to what extent you have to be ‘reactive’ with an ever changing status quo?

My imagining is that there is a skeletal, framework of a ‘plan’ but this is plagued with unknowns and risks. Add to that our tried and tested ‘waiting game’ where again Im guessing we try to increase the pressure on a selling club to negotiate quickly and probably to our advantage to save every penny possible. That all makes things look as though we don’t realise the window is open until the last week!

That said, we’ve needed a RB and a Striker for donkey’s and that’s still not sorted… so… boo!

Edited by Nicholas91 (09 Aug 2023 1.01am)

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

Dubai Eagle Flag 09 Aug 23 6.43am

I would like to think that with DF having been in the position for as long as he has been he would have spreadsheet(s) of people they have / would like to have for every position in the club
(including managers / coaches / etc etc) a kind of living document which is regularly updated with all the pertinent information required to make decisions -

However, having a spreadsheet or sheets is one thing, calling it a plan in itself is probably giving it too much credit & implementing it / or getting it implemented is a whole other ball game with so many outside influences & permutations that can interfere with any desired outcome with timing playing a key part & everyone involved having their own agenda as to what they want to see as a result out of it.

 

MrRobbo Flag Chaldon 09 Aug 23 8.26am

Originally posted by Hudsoneagle

I don’t think I agree with our transfer plans being totally reactive.

Remember all the pundits and reporters talking about how much trouble we were in when we had 13 players out of contract. It was basically a case of everyone saying without those players, we are done for. Roll on the summer. We kept the ones we wanted, and replaced the ones we didn’t, with younger more promising players. That whole summer transfer window had been planned for…and we have done well out of it.

So why do we keep running the club down like they can’t plan signings? It’s ludicrous to suggest the club don’t have a list of players they watch. Almost every club in the world has a list of players they want…lower down the leagues, if it’s not the club it’s the manager.

Those players are likely on a lot of others clubs lists as well…so it’s never as simple as it seems.

Well exactly, it would be ludicrous to suggest that they were wholly reactive.

Take the Hall situation, we may well have had a few targets (but he was no1) but we had to wait for pre-season for Chelski to decide if they were going to let him go.

Broadly speaking there hasn't been much movement by a lot of prem clubs this window yet. You normally need to wait for the top clubs to get there squads sorted and/or a bit of money to start sloshing around and filtering down

 

Eaglecoops Flag CR3 09 Aug 23 9.03am

I tend to disagree with a few of you here.

We’ve wanted a right back for two seasons (some would argue 3), no right back.

We’ve needed a striker since we found out both Mateta and Edouard are distinctly average, no striker.

Our plan to provide cover and maybe an improvement at left back is to yet again wet nurse a player for Chelsea with no provision to buy after a loan.

We’ve lost our two star players out wide from last season albeit we are not sure of Olise’s injury duration and whether he is going to be our player once he is fit. No replacements (França is not a winger and is injured).

If we are not careful we will start the season with just one decent keeper.

Yes, some of these holes may be filled but I very much doubt they all will be and our transfer policy never allows us to have any sort of pre season with new players (Lerma excepted).

If the above situation is what you guys consider a decent transfer strategy then I’m not with you on it.

 

fish mitten Flag Chelmsford 09 Aug 23 9.15am

I think overall I agree with you. We never seem to have a balanced squad anymore. I look at the first 4 games and think we should be targeting 7-9 points, but when you look at the team that is likely to start the first few games I can't see us getting that many.

You can be certain that some of those gaps in the squad will be with us all season.

Its frustrating in that we have 2/3 of a very good first team, let down by some positions and squad depth. However, I guess finances dictate that.

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

I tend to disagree with a few of you here.

We’ve wanted a right back for two seasons (some would argue 3), no right back.

We’ve needed a striker since we found out both Mateta and Edouard are distinctly average, no striker.

Our plan to provide cover and maybe an improvement at left back is to yet again wet nurse a player for Chelsea with no provision to buy after a loan.

We’ve lost our two star players out wide from last season albeit we are not sure of Olise’s injury duration and whether he is going to be our player once he is fit. No replacements (França is not a winger and is injured).

If we are not careful we will start the season with just one decent keeper.

Yes, some of these holes may be filled but I very much doubt they all will be and our transfer policy never allows us to have any sort of pre season with new players (Lerma excepted).

If the above situation is what you guys consider a decent transfer strategy then I’m not with you on it.

 

PatrickA Flag London 09 Aug 23 9.19am

The most realistic assessment of the situation I have seen on this forum.
We seem to have reverted to patching up the squad and making do and mending.
It may be enough to keep us up but there is a lesson to be learnt with Leicester.
Who would have had them going down this time last year?
Like us they had a handful of excellent players, but they also had a few veterans, a few injury prone players, a few who wanted out and players that were brought in who weren’t good enough.
We still have time to address shortcomings in the squad , but where are the goals coming from to turn draws into wins and losses into draws.


Originally posted by Eaglecoops

I tend to disagree with a few of you here.

We’ve wanted a right back for two seasons (some would argue 3), no right back.

We’ve needed a striker since we found out both Mateta and Edouard are distinctly average, no striker.

Our plan to provide cover and maybe an improvement at left back is to yet again wet nurse a player for Chelsea with no provision to buy after a loan.

We’ve lost our two star players out wide from last season albeit we are not sure of Olise’s injury duration and whether he is going to be our player once he is fit. No replacements (França is not a winger and is injured).

If we are not careful we will start the season with just one decent keeper.

Yes, some of these holes may be filled but I very much doubt they all will be and our transfer policy never allows us to have any sort of pre season with new players (Lerma excepted).

If the above situation is what you guys consider a decent transfer strategy then I’m not with you on it.

 

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