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 Badger11  Beckenham 10 Nov 23 10.17am |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
You were happy enough to state as a matter of fact that we’ve had weeks of hate and anti-semitism though. Braverman has made the risk of trouble significantly higher - I don’t think that’s contestable. She hasn’t ‘spoken out’ - she’s labelled hundreds of thousands of protestors as hate marchers and anti semites because she doesn’t agree with them. That’s inflammatory by any definition. I’ve no idea why you’ve decided on that MLK reference - all of the commentary from the organisers of the demonstration are also calling for peaceful protest in exactly the same way. People who want to cause trouble whether it be Islamic extremists or white British racists don't need an excuse, they will always find a reason to do it. I am glad that the organisers have called for it to be peaceful, no doubt we shall find out how successful they are at keeping the protestors in line.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 10 Nov 23 10.20am |
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Braverman was fired over a serious security breach, quite unusual, then Sunak re-hired her for no apparent reason. A serious lack of judgement.
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HKOwen Online  Hong Kong 10 Nov 23 10.37am |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Of course, I sent that in reply to a statement that "the police will allow the pro-Palestine demonstration to go past the Cenotaph twice" which is just factually untrue. Any trouble on Saturday is going to come from the people looking for it, on both sides - there's absolutely no reasons for the two events to overlap at all. Braverman's discourse around this has done nothing but stoke the flames and she's as responsible as anyone if it does go off. I agree with your first two paragraphs, if it goes off it will be the fault of those who cause the trouble, likely both sides Let's just hope there is no serious trouble and no one hurt. Edited by HKOwen (10 Nov 2023 10.40am)
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| silvertop Portishead 10 Nov 23 1.27pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Not really answering the first line are you. Never mind because lefties always finish with insults when they get confused! Like I said up the thread, they would have preferred the Israeli embassy but you cant get near that. The US is next best.
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| silvertop Portishead 10 Nov 23 1.46pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
That is the complaint. I am not a lawyer so I wont pretend to know the answer but she was entitled to speak out. If people cause trouble this weekend it's on their head "Braverman made me do it" isn't an excuse. MLK was told on many occasions not to march or there would be violence his answer was to ensure the marchers were peaceful and any violence was from the police and racists. That's how he won the argument, or as Obama said if they go low we go higher. Edited by Badger11 (10 Nov 2023 9.49am) No she wasn't. She can call the police to account through back channels. However, her portfolio requires her to support the independence of the police. She is not doing that. If she wanted to call the police out for the reasons she did, she must first resign and then say what she likes (within parliamentary rules) from the Back Benches. She is clearly making a play for leader. It is a long game and one that reveals her unscrupulous character. However, it is clumsy, transparent and deluded. She is seeking to appeal to the gammon right. But I doubt whether they would choose a woman of South Asian extraction, let alone one who has openly attacked the police. I fear she is the stuff that opportunist Brexiteers are made of i.e. a feather for every political wind that blows but, ultimately, a bit dim. The Tories are masters at adaption. During the next parliamentary term, her ilk will have outlived their usefulness and will be relegated to hopping about frothing from the fringes.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 10 Nov 23 2.11pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
No she wasn't. She can call the police to account through back channels. However, her portfolio requires her to support the independence of the police. She is not doing that. If she wanted to call the police out for the reasons she did, she must first resign and then say what she likes (within parliamentary rules) from the Back Benches. She is clearly making a play for leader. It is a long game and one that reveals her unscrupulous character. However, it is clumsy, transparent and deluded. She is seeking to appeal to the gammon right. But I doubt whether they would choose a woman of South Asian extraction, let alone one who has openly attacked the police. I fear she is the stuff that opportunist Brexiteers are made of i.e. a feather for every political wind that blows but, ultimately, a bit dim. The Tories are masters at adaption. During the next parliamentary term, her ilk will have outlived their usefulness and will be relegated to hopping about frothing from the fringes. That's odd considering the number of senior politicians over the years who have publicly criticised the Police.
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eagleman13  On The Road To Hell & Alicante 10 Nov 23 2.40pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
No she wasn't. She can call the police to account through back channels. However, her portfolio requires her to support the independence of the police. She is not doing that. If she wanted to call the police out for the reasons she did, she must first resign and then say what she likes (within parliamentary rules) from the Back Benches. She is clearly making a play for leader. It is a long game and one that reveals her unscrupulous character. However, it is clumsy, transparent and deluded. She is seeking to appeal to the gammon right. But I doubt whether they would choose a woman of South Asian extraction, let alone one who has openly attacked the police. I fear she is the stuff that opportunist Brexiteers are made of i.e. a feather for every political wind that blows but, ultimately, a bit dim. The Tories are masters at adaption. During the next parliamentary term, her ilk will have outlived their usefulness and will be relegated to hopping about frothing from the fringes. Im not a supporter of either main party's & i thought it was the Home Secretary who had the power to ban marches, Stand to be corrected by all of you that think you know better'
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| Glazier#1 10 Nov 23 2.46pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
I expect those nice, peace-loving Hamas supporters will be really scared, but no doubt the impartial police force will look after them. Are you saying that everyone who marches is a Hamas supporter simply by marching? Just to be clear
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| silvertop Portishead 10 Nov 23 2.52pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
That's odd considering the number of senior politicians over the years who have publicly criticised the Police. While Home Sec?
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| silvertop Portishead 10 Nov 23 2.55pm |
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Originally posted by eagleman13
Im not a supporter of either main party's & i thought it was the Home Secretary who had the power to ban marches, Stand to be corrected by all of you that think you know better' The decision rests with the police and then the Home Sec if the police refer it to her. In this case, the police were able to decide based on intelligence and the law. She has the ars8hole as the Met didn't give her the final say. And she saw a chance to score self-serving points.
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| Stirlingsays 10 Nov 23 3.08pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
While Home Sec? Didn't Labour have a home secretary who famously called the border agency 'not fit for purpose'. If the sodding home secretary can't criticise failing public institutions which a large part of the population have little faith in then who can. Maybe she should just keep the charade up so the left can feel ok about their lefty Police service......because a lot of people on the right are not at all happy with the Met. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Nov 2023 3.08pm)
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 EverybodyDannsNow SE19 10 Nov 23 3.14pm |
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The allegations of children being raped has been dropped by the Israeli government. The 40 beheaded babies claim has been downscaled to one dead baby, not beheaded, and killed by persons unknown. the Israeli military acknowledge responsibility for some of their own civilian deaths on 7th October.
Children are dying at a rate of 180 per day in Palestine. Enough is enough.
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