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eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 22 Jan 22 4.26pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 100% wrong. You must deal with reality to negotiate a peace. The other parties do not accept that they are terrorists, more likely that you are an occupier of their country. And in the case of Ballymurphy and Bloody Sunday what else would they do but flock to the republican flag. Blair provided the solution, he talked to the 'terrorists'. The result 20 years of peace and prosperity in NI. Tory governments prolonged the troubles for over 20 years they wore not even in contact. A further look at the troubles on iplayer will probably give you a quite different view of the pulp you were fed over NI. Only in your blinkered eyes Steely. Come along to a Vets gathering & try to put that POV across & see what response you get(i'll have my ear-plus handy). bLIAR was, is & always will be a traitor in the Vets eyes for what he has done to those that served on the orders of various Govts. He talked to them, he colluded with them & he alone gave them the 'letters of comfort' enabling them immunity from prosecution This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

eagleman13

On The Road To Hell & Alicante 22 Jan 22 4.26pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

100% wrong.

You must deal with reality to negotiate a peace.

The other parties do not accept that they are terrorists, more likely that you are an occupier of their country.

And in the case of Ballymurphy and Bloody Sunday what else would they do but flock to the republican flag.

Blair provided the solution, he talked to the 'terrorists'.

The result 20 years of peace and prosperity in NI.

Tory governments prolonged the troubles for over 20 years they wore not even in contact.

A further look at the troubles on iplayer will probably give you a quite different view of the pulp you were fed over NI.

Only in your blinkered eyes Steely.

Come along to a Vets gathering & try to put that POV across & see what response you get(i'll have my ear-plus handy). bLIAR was, is & always will be a traitor in the Vets eyes for what he has done to those that served on the orders of various Govts. He talked to them, he colluded with them & he alone gave them the 'letters of comfort' enabling them immunity from prosecution

This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 22 Jan 22 5.18pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays The Tories were actually in contact with the IRA during Thatcher's time. And when you say Blair 'talked' to the IRA far nearer to the truth is that he capitulated to them. As previous posters have stated our troops have been betrayed. That is my understanding, that the Thatcher government always had an open channel with the IRA. I think Blair did capitulate, because he wanted to take the glory. British troops acting under orders are still under legal scrutiny. Why not the Commander in Chief's ? I disengage, I turn the page.

Forest Hillbilly

in a hidey-hole 22 Jan 22 5.18pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The Tories were actually in contact with the IRA during Thatcher's time.

And when you say Blair 'talked' to the IRA far nearer to the truth is that he capitulated to them.

As previous posters have stated our troops have been betrayed.

That is my understanding, that the Thatcher government always had an open channel with the IRA.
I think Blair did capitulate, because he wanted to take the glory. British troops acting under orders are still under legal scrutiny. Why not the Commander in Chief's ?

I disengage, I turn the page.

steeleye20 Croydon 22 Jan 22 5.22pm
According to the troubles series on BBC iplayer there was no contact for 20 years and one had to be engineered at a trade fair to promote Irish trade here.

steeleye20

Croydon 22 Jan 22 5.22pm

According to the troubles series on BBC iplayer there was no contact for 20 years and one had to be engineered at a trade fair to promote Irish trade here.

steeleye20 Croydon 22 Jan 22 5.31pm
Originally posted by eagleman13 Only in your blinkered eyes Steely. Come along to a Vets gathering & try to put that POV across & see what response you get(i'll have my ear-plus handy). bLIAR was, is & always will be a traitor in the Vets eyes for what he has done to those that served on the orders of various Govts. He talked to them, he colluded with them & he alone gave them the 'letters of comfort' enabling them immunity from prosecution The right policy. You are the blinkered one, living in your colonel blimp world of tory unreality. TB does not claim glory for himself over NI, he merely states that the people really wanted peace and he was able to help. Unlike the Conservative Party.

steeleye20

Croydon 22 Jan 22 5.31pm

Originally posted by eagleman13

Only in your blinkered eyes Steely.

The right policy.

You are the blinkered one, living in your colonel blimp world of tory unreality.

TB does not claim glory for himself over NI, he merely states that the people really wanted peace and he was able to help.

Unlike the Conservative Party.

Hrolf The Ganger 22 Jan 22 7.55pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 The right policy. You are the blinkered one, living in your colonel blimp world of tory unreality. TB does not claim glory for himself over NI, he merely states that the people really wanted peace and he was able to help. Unlike the Conservative Party. Where do you get your intelligence? The History Channel? The BBC? Give it a rest mate. You are a self confessed communist. Enough said

Hrolf The Ganger

22 Jan 22 7.55pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

The right policy.

You are the blinkered one, living in your colonel blimp world of tory unreality.

TB does not claim glory for himself over NI, he merely states that the people really wanted peace and he was able to help.

Unlike the Conservative Party.

Where do you get your intelligence? The History Channel? The BBC?

Give it a rest mate. You are a self confessed communist. Enough said

eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 22 Jan 22 7.59pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 The right policy. You are the blinkered one, living in your colonel blimp world of tory unreality. TB does not claim glory for himself over NI, he merely states that the people really wanted peace and he was able to help. Unlike the Conservative Party. The right policy, my God, you are actually condoning giving terrorists immunity from prosecution because of what that traitor bLIAR has done, while giving the very same terrorists leave to prosecute Veterans for something that happened 40 years ago. Jeez thank God I got out of the UK with people like you around. BTW, gonna disappoint you, I'm NOT a Tory, never have been, never will be. Never label me, you dont know me. This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

eagleman13

On The Road To Hell & Alicante 22 Jan 22 7.59pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

The right policy.

You are the blinkered one, living in your colonel blimp world of tory unreality.

TB does not claim glory for himself over NI, he merely states that the people really wanted peace and he was able to help.

Unlike the Conservative Party.

The right policy, my God, you are actually condoning giving terrorists immunity from prosecution because of what that traitor bLIAR has done, while giving the very same terrorists leave to prosecute Veterans for something that happened 40 years ago. Jeez thank God I got out of the UK with people like you around.

BTW, gonna disappoint you, I'm NOT a Tory, never have been, never will be. Never label me, you dont know me.

This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

PalazioVecchio south pole 22 Jan 22 8.02pm
my theory about the Good Friday Agreement. the main movers & shakers in N.I. had seen the ethnic War in the Balkans and thought....no thanks. We cannot win outright, lets negotiate with the other side. Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

PalazioVecchio

south pole 22 Jan 22 8.02pm

my theory about the Good Friday Agreement.

the main movers & shakers in N.I. had seen the ethnic War in the Balkans and thought....no thanks. We cannot win outright, lets negotiate with the other side.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

steeleye20 Croydon 22 Jan 22 8.16pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio my theory about the Good Friday Agreement. the main movers & shakers in N.I. had seen the ethnic War in the Balkans and thought....no thanks. We cannot win outright, lets negotiate with the other side. They were right if that's so. I would think enough is enough and what did it achieve anyway. Pain and sorrow.

steeleye20

Croydon 22 Jan 22 8.16pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

my theory about the Good Friday Agreement.

the main movers & shakers in N.I. had seen the ethnic War in the Balkans and thought....no thanks. We cannot win outright, lets negotiate with the other side.

They were right if that's so.

I would think enough is enough and what did it achieve anyway.

Pain and sorrow.

Hrolf The Ganger 22 Jan 22 8.35pm
I was under the impression that the IRA was riddled with informants. They knew the game was up and came to the table. Steeleye seems to forget that it was the Tories, particularly John Major who began the negotiations and smoothed the way for Blair to get the agreement signed.

Hrolf The Ganger

22 Jan 22 8.35pm

I was under the impression that the IRA was riddled with informants. They knew the game was up and came to the table.

Steeleye seems to forget that it was the Tories, particularly John Major who began the negotiations and smoothed the way for Blair to get the agreement signed.

Stirlingsays 23 Jan 22 4.13am
Originally posted by steeleye20 According to the troubles series on BBC iplayer there was no contact for 20 years and one had to be engineered at a trade fair to promote Irish trade here. 20 Years? That doesn't even make sense....Thatcher wasn't interested in giving NI away over time (which has happened) but of course there was contact...it was just kept quiet but Major was known to be negotiating. The days where the BBC were impartial reporters of the truth are long behind us. [Link] Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Jan 2022 4.21am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

23 Jan 22 4.13am

Originally posted by steeleye20

According to the troubles series on BBC iplayer there was no contact for 20 years and one had to be engineered at a trade fair to promote Irish trade here.

20 Years? That doesn't even make sense....Thatcher wasn't interested in giving NI away over time (which has happened) but of course there was contact...it was just kept quiet but Major was known to be negotiating.

The days where the BBC were impartial reporters of the truth are long behind us.

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Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Jan 2022 4.21am)

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Stirlingsays 23 Jan 22 4.16am
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly That is my understanding, that the Thatcher government always had an open channel with the IRA. I think Blair did capitulate, because he wanted to take the glory. British troops acting under orders are still under legal scrutiny. Why not the Commander in Chief's ? Blair is an internationalist, like his party, and those people have no national loyalty until appeals to unity politically suit them....in reality they bat for whatever side they like. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Jan 2022 4.18am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

23 Jan 22 4.16am

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

Blair is an internationalist, like his party, and those people have no national loyalty until appeals to unity politically suit them....in reality they bat for whatever side they like.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Jan 2022 4.18am)

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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 23 Jan 22 3.57pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 They were right if that's so. I would think enough is enough and what did it achieve anyway. Pain and sorrow. Plenty of pain and sorrow on all sides Steeleye, plenty of people doing bad stuff, on all sides. My ager evaporated the day the queen, dressed in green , bowed her head at the republican memorial in Dublin, she is the head of the military- well played your majesty- what a lady!This had conitations all around the country and did more for relations than you could imagine.

croydon proud

Any european country i fancy! 23 Jan 22 3.57pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

They were right if that's so.

I would think enough is enough and what did it achieve anyway.

Pain and sorrow.

Plenty of pain and sorrow on all sides Steeleye, plenty of people doing bad stuff, on all sides. My ager evaporated the day the queen, dressed in green , bowed her head at the republican memorial in Dublin, she is the head of the military- well played your majesty- what a lady!This had conitations all around the country and did more for relations than you could imagine.

Badger11 Beckenham 23 Jan 22 4.17pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio my theory about the Good Friday Agreement. the main movers & shakers in N.I. had seen the ethnic War in the Balkans and thought....no thanks. We cannot win outright, lets negotiate with the other side. I think there is merit to this. At the start of the troubles both sides wanted to win and had no interest in negotiation. As the decades went by and the body count increased I think all sides came to realise that surrender of the other side was not realistic and that peace could only come with compromise. I don't believe the IRA surrendered I think they came to realise that the ballot and the bomb strategy wasn't working and that politics and demographics would allow them to achieve their goal. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 23 Jan 22 4.17pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

my theory about the Good Friday Agreement.

the main movers & shakers in N.I. had seen the ethnic War in the Balkans and thought....no thanks. We cannot win outright, lets negotiate with the other side.

I think there is merit to this. At the start of the troubles both sides wanted to win and had no interest in negotiation.

As the decades went by and the body count increased I think all sides came to realise that surrender of the other side was not realistic and that peace could only come with compromise.

I don't believe the IRA surrendered I think they came to realise that the ballot and the bomb strategy wasn't working and that politics and demographics would allow them to achieve their goal.

One more point

croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 23 Jan 22 4.36pm
Originally posted by Badger11 I think there is merit to this. At the start of the troubles both sides wanted to win and had no interest in negotiation. As the decades went by and the body count increased I think all sides came to realise that surrender of the other side was not realistic and that peace could only come with compromise. I don't believe the IRA surrendered I think they came to realise that the ballot and the bomb strategy wasn't working and that politics and demographics would allow them to achieve their goal. That"s it in a nutshell Badger, and with sinn fein doing so well in the polls, it might be proven a great judgement call.

croydon proud

Any european country i fancy! 23 Jan 22 4.36pm

Originally posted by Badger11

I think there is merit to this. At the start of the troubles both sides wanted to win and had no interest in negotiation.

As the decades went by and the body count increased I think all sides came to realise that surrender of the other side was not realistic and that peace could only come with compromise.

I don't believe the IRA surrendered I think they came to realise that the ballot and the bomb strategy wasn't working and that politics and demographics would allow them to achieve their goal.

That"s it in a nutshell Badger, and with sinn fein doing so well in the polls, it might be proven a great judgement call.

Stirlingsays 23 Jan 22 5.07pm
Originally posted by croydon proud That"s it in a nutshell Badger, and with sinn fein doing so well in the polls, it might be proven a great judgement call. If the British had just not gone to NI to protect the catholics perhaps Sinn Fein/IRA would have been pushed out of NI. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

23 Jan 22 5.07pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

That"s it in a nutshell Badger, and with sinn fein doing so well in the polls, it might be proven a great judgement call.

If the British had just not gone to NI to protect the catholics perhaps Sinn Fein/IRA would have been pushed out of NI.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 23 Jan 22 5.38pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays If the British had just not gone to NI to protect the catholics perhaps Sinn Fein/IRA would have been pushed out of NI. I doubt that stirling, dont forget the war of independence in 1916- although from my holidays in the West as a kid I can say Ireland was a very conservative country- run by the church- and the two main parties are still conservative, sinn fein might be a breat of fresh air to break up the two party state.

croydon proud

Any european country i fancy! 23 Jan 22 5.38pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

If the British had just not gone to NI to protect the catholics perhaps Sinn Fein/IRA would have been pushed out of NI.

I doubt that stirling, dont forget the war of independence in 1916- although from my holidays in the West as a kid I can say Ireland was a very conservative country- run by the church- and the two main parties are still conservative, sinn fein might be a breat of fresh air to break up the two party state.

Stirlingsays 23 Jan 22 5.42pm
Originally posted by croydon proud I doubt that stirling, dont forget the war of independence in 1916- although from my holidays in the West as a kid I can say Ireland was a very conservative country- run by the church- and the two main parties are still conservative, sinn fein might be a breat of fresh air to break up the two party state. Well, it doesn't look like going in did the British any good. Ireland very conservative?....yeah right. You are talking about previous generations. [Link] 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

23 Jan 22 5.42pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

Well, it doesn't look like going in did the British any good.

Ireland very conservative?....yeah right. You are talking about previous generations.

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'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 23 Jan 22 5.48pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Well, it doesn't look like going in did the British any good. Ireland very conservative?....yeah right. You are talking about previous generations. [Link] No, that was Dublin and the abortion vote, a bit like going to a pride march in London and saying everyone in England is gay!If you leave the cities, and go down the west of the country, you will find that its still a very conservative place, even my family there are, much to my disdain!And thats not just the old folk, even my cousins are quite conservative, thank god someone in my family kept my old grandads rebel spirit!

croydon proud

Any european country i fancy! 23 Jan 22 5.48pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Well, it doesn't look like going in did the British any good.

Ireland very conservative?....yeah right. You are talking about previous generations.

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No, that was Dublin and the abortion vote, a bit like going to a pride march in London and saying everyone in England is gay!If you leave the cities, and go down the west of the country, you will find that its still a very conservative place, even my family there are, much to my disdain!And thats not just the old folk, even my cousins are quite conservative, thank god someone in my family kept my old grandads rebel spirit!

PalazioVecchio south pole 23 Jan 22 5.59pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Well, it doesn't look like going in did the British any good. Ireland very conservative?....yeah right. You are talking about previous generations. [Link] the Shinners are now Feminist, BLM, LGBT, Pro abortion, refugees welcome here, Palestine & Mosques ........ like Sadiq Khan with bagpipes. Extending the hand of friendship to every ethnicity except for one : Their immediate neighbours, the Prod 50% of the NI population. The white British hetero types. Nothing very Catholic about this Catholic party. And not very good at compromises with former enemies. Of course you could levy a similar criticism of the bully-boys who march up and down with military sunglasses & commemorate a battle won in 1690. Not very good at compromises....and now lost the demographic edge through lack of fertility & immigration of Catholic Poles. [Link] . [Link] Edited by PalazioVecchio (23 Jan 2022 6.11pm) Edited by PalazioVecchio (23 Jan 2022 6.16pm) Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

PalazioVecchio

south pole 23 Jan 22 5.59pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Well, it doesn't look like going in did the British any good.

Ireland very conservative?....yeah right. You are talking about previous generations.

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the Shinners are now Feminist, BLM, LGBT, Pro abortion, refugees welcome here, Palestine & Mosques ........ like Sadiq Khan with bagpipes.

Extending the hand of friendship to every ethnicity except for one : Their immediate neighbours, the Prod 50% of the NI population. The white British hetero types.

Nothing very Catholic about this Catholic party. And not very good at compromises with former enemies.

Of course you could levy a similar criticism of the bully-boys who march up and down with military sunglasses & commemorate a battle won in 1690. Not very good at compromises....and now lost the demographic edge through lack of fertility & immigration of Catholic Poles.

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Edited by PalazioVecchio (23 Jan 2022 6.11pm)

Edited by PalazioVecchio (23 Jan 2022 6.16pm)

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 23 Jan 22 6.16pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio the Shinners are now Feminist, BLM, LGBT, Pro abortion, refugees welcome here, Palestine & Mosques ........ like Sadiq Khan with bagpipes. Extending the hand of friendship to every ethnicity except for one : Their immediate neighbours, the Prod 50% of the NI population. Nothing very Catholic about this Catholic party. And not very good at compromises with former enemies. Of course you could levy a similar criticism of the bully-boys who march up and down with military sunglasses & commemorate a battle won in 1690. Not very good at compromises....and now lost the demographic edge through lack of fertility & immigration of Catholic Poles. [Link] . [Link] Edited by PalazioVecchio (23 Jan 2022 6.11pm) Good post PV!

croydon proud

Any european country i fancy! 23 Jan 22 6.16pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

the Shinners are now Feminist, BLM, LGBT, Pro abortion, refugees welcome here, Palestine & Mosques ........ like Sadiq Khan with bagpipes.

Extending the hand of friendship to every ethnicity except for one : Their immediate neighbours, the Prod 50% of the NI population.

Nothing very Catholic about this Catholic party. And not very good at compromises with former enemies.

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Edited by PalazioVecchio (23 Jan 2022 6.11pm)

Good post PV!

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