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View grumpymort's Profile grumpymort Flag US/Thailand/UK 30 Dec 19 9.43pm Send a Private Message to grumpymort Add grumpymort as a friend

Originally posted by mattteo

Of course I'm serious. I would not get rid of those players and have a formation with 7-8 less players.

What I mean is that better ones could be brought in their place.

For example, what is better,to have Martin Kelly be Ward's backup as right back (a positiom in which he is not very good or fast and where he doesn't move up to cross) and have Scott Dann as 4th center hardly playing ....or.....get a decent right back and move Kelly to 4th center back position (behind Tomkins, Cahill and Sako) and allow Dann to leave to a Championship club where he'd be a starter? With all the respect he deserves, of course, he fully did his duty for the club.

Same for Wickham or Benteke or even Townsend- I mean like for like replacement. But better.

And sending McCarthy and Riedewald elsewhere on loan allows us to get 2 more attacking players in (by pulling Jimmy Macca and Schlupp to the positions of McCarthy and Riedewald, which are their actual positions for which they trained all their life- central midfielder and left back, not attacking options like Roy uses them).

Cause as of now, the attacking options are just about 6: Zaha, Jordan Ayew, Benteke, Townsend, Meyer (more like a central midfielder at Schalke anyway), Schlupp (??), Macca.

There should be like 3 strikers, 4 wingers and an attacking midfielder or second striker a lot more offensive than Macca.


You really need to lay off the football manager game you are in complete fantasy land.

We struggle to sign people as it is and now you think we can just let a load of people go and they will be replaced with better players lol

The other thing is you clearly don't understand Roy and his style he doesn't want all those attacking players he likes the defensive midfield types.

Dann is injured so he wont be leaving.

Riedwald looks a better player then Schlupp so why would you loan him out also again you appear to missed out a lot of players are injured so they wont be leaving.

If Palace was rich and their was no such thing as FFP then yes we could just go out and replace all these people but even that is risky plus whos to say if they would even be interested in going to Palace.

 


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View mattteo's Profile mattteo Flag 30 Dec 19 10.29pm Send a Private Message to mattteo Add mattteo as a friend

It's not about being rich and it's not anything fantasy football. Clubs replace players in transfer periods. I told you who I'd replace. Yes, 7 players seems a lot for a winter period, but when your attacking options are this bad, then previous transfer windows were not handled correctly, so now the need is for more players.

And, like I said, you don't need to be incredibly rich to bring in good players. At least better than the ones already playing here. PL clubs are rich on comparison to the rest of Europe because they have more income and the players here have a higher market value (though somewhat undeserved compared to players from Spain, Germany etc).

Townsend has always been on the radar of Newcastle (where he played really well before coming to Palace) or even Leicester in the past summer. Now..I like Townsend. I really do, he was probably my favourite player..but he's 28, pushing 29 and his tempo has gone down playing for Palace..perhaps he needs a change. Putting Townsend on the market for 15 million would have teams buy him this very winter. These are Premier League prices. Newcastle would surely pay up as their Matt Ritchie is struggling wih injury and they have no better winger.

And replacing Andros with a younger left footed right winger, just as skilled but even better in terms of delivering end product (goals), would be an upgrade:

Jarrod Bowen- last 6 months of contract, so small fee

Skov Olsen (20 yo)-15 million
Calvin Stengs (20 yo)- 15 million, recently Netherlands national team player
Bakaev (23 yo, Spartak Moscow)- 7,5 million
Brandley Kuwas-5 million
Adrian Embarba- 5 million
Matheus Pereira (23 yo)- 15 million (was the possibility of loan with a 10 million option in the summer, now he went to West Brom and he's the best in the Championship)
Remi Oudin (23yo from Ligue 1)- 10 million
THomas Murg (25 yo from Rapid Wien)- 3 million
Emiliano Rigoni (Sampdoria)- 10 million
Theo Bongonda (Genk)- 5-7,5 million

Even the 30 year olds Angel Mena and Ben Nabouhane are really, really good and would offer more than Andros at this point in his career. And the older they are the cheaper they get- one plays in Mexico (a league as good as the Portuguese one) and is the best player in his national team, the other plays for Red Star Belgrade and was their best scorer from right wing position in 2 years when they played in the Champions League group stages. They'd cost like 3 million each.

Same thing for Benteke. I'm sure there would be some German or Russian or Chinese or Arab clubs willing to pay 10 million for a Belgium national team player (at least make that contract extension get some money in!).

With those 10 million the club can easily get a center forward better than Benteke. I'd name Edouard (20 million), Morelos at a similar price but he's more of a second striker at his height so I'll just talk about center forwards, Tiquinho Soares and Bounnedjah (15 million), Quaison (Mainz, 10 million), Nsame (Switzerland 20 goals in 4 months scorer, 10 million), Andrasz Sporar (very good underrated player who I can guarantee would be good in the PL, 5 million), Cedric Itten (5 million), Diallo (Ligue 1, 5 million), Swierczok (Bulgaria, 5 million), Antonio Colak (Croatia, 3 million).

Get 10 million for Meyer from Mainz or Werder Bremen or another German club and reaaly put that money tongood use into someone who actually is on fire and comes here wanting to score and assist in every match. Christie from Celtic is like 10-15 million and totally different mentality. Or Jonathan David from Gent (one of the best 20 year olds in the world, or even Eberechi Eze for that matter, though he would cost too much at 12 million), Hwang of RB Salzburg should be below 10 million as he has just 1 more year of contract (Liverpool just bought the other one- Minamino), Schaub from Koln at 7 million, Boetius from Mainz at 10, Kamada from Frankfurt at 8, Moussa Kone at 5, Emmanuel Boateng at 7, Kayode at 3, even Bobby Reid at 15 million (though a little too costly).

I can confidently say that all of the above players would bring goals and assists in the second part of the season, at least more than Andros, Benteke and Meyer. And you don't need money, just use the money you get.

About Scott Dann, you may be right, an injury does prevent a player from having a medical for a transfer. However, if he is long term injured, then adding a decent right back and taking Dann off the 25 player list (as there are already 4 central defenders ahead of him- Tomkins, Cahill, Sako, Kelly) is still a possibility.

Edited by mattteo (30 Dec 2019 10.34pm)

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 30 Dec 19 10.48pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

I was always of the opinion that Mattteo would return to HOL as the Transfer Window was approaching and continue throughout the window dazzling us with his array of players that the majority haven't heard of but perhaps we should all be enlightened by the information he provides.
Broadens our knowledge of players not ploughing their furrows in these shores.

Apropos the figures provided against individual players I would be delighted to know if these are Mattteo's guesstimates as to what fee they would command or whether these have been attained from some other sources also guesstimating in this respect ?

Edited by Willo (30 Dec 2019 11.24pm)

 

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View dreamwaverider's Profile dreamwaverider Flag London 30 Dec 19 11.49pm Send a Private Message to dreamwaverider Add dreamwaverider as a friend

Originally posted by mattteo

Oh man, they actually did it? They actually offered Benteke a new contract? I missed that.

And Wickham

 

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View mattteo's Profile mattteo Flag 30 Dec 19 11.57pm Send a Private Message to mattteo Add mattteo as a friend

Just things I know, Willo. I drink and I know things. And I drink a lot. I have a lot of spare time. To drink. And know things

Townsend:
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Benteke:
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Tiqunho from Porto:
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Bounedjah (wanted by Marseille):
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Edouard from Celtic:
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Andrasz Sporar to Celtic:
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Rigoni from Sampdoria:
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Oudin wanted by PL clubs:

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And same for the others. I know that Bologna paid 10 million for the youngster Skov Olsen. In the time since hes been there he's been backup for Orsolini (also a good player, but higher than 30 million in price range). Skov Olsen scored in the last 4 months 1 goals in Serie A and 6 goals for Denmark U21 (top goalscorer at U21 level). If they're ot using him as much as Orsolini, I know a 15 million bid would mean instant profit for them and would at least tempt them.

Calvin Stengs, the other 20 year old, is at a similar price. These are the highest prices a club like Alkmaar from the Netherlands could demand. I really wish you guys had seen these kids play, they're fantastic.

Matheus Pereira will surely be signed by WBA cause the 10 million they have as option to buy is really a small fee for him. Now I don't know if they would agree to sell for just 15 (they'll probably wait for much more from a PL side),but perhaps tempting them with an immediate profit would work.

Eintracht Frankfurt were really close tonletting Kamada go for 5 million to Genoa in the summer. They eventually decided to give him a chance of becoming a forst team player at 23 years old and he took it. But his price can't have gone up significantly, so I estimate a bid of around 8 million should do the trick (prices in the Bundesliga are much more grounded for a number of good players).

Ryan Christie is doing great but Celtic really undervalued him. They offered him a small contract and now it will be up in 2022. Even if some Celtic pundits would say he's worth 30 million at the way he is playing, I think that Celtic would rather cash in 10-15 million that lose him for free 2 years from now.

 

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View dreamwaverider's Profile dreamwaverider Flag London 31 Dec 19 12.11am Send a Private Message to dreamwaverider Add dreamwaverider as a friend

Come on. This is Palace we’re talking about. Not sure who is most conservative on transfers here or how much harmony there is, but I can’t see us bringing in the 4 or 5 players Roy mentioned. 1 or 2 maybe but any more really is wishful thinking.
Besides which, Roy has built a formidable team. All very well moaning about it, but look at Arsenal.
Personally I love the way we are playing. It’s a bit frustrating at times but looks like Roy is getting it right.

 

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View YoDougie's Profile YoDougie Flag London 31 Dec 19 1.29am Send a Private Message to YoDougie Add YoDougie as a friend

Originally posted by mattteo

Just things I know, Willo. I drink and I know things. And I drink a lot. I have a lot of spare time. To drink. And know things

Townsend:
[Link]

[Link]

Benteke:
[Link]

[Link]

Tiqunho from Porto:
[Link]

Bounedjah (wanted by Marseille):
[Link]

Edouard from Celtic:
[Link]

Andrasz Sporar to Celtic:
[Link]

Rigoni from Sampdoria:
[Link]

Oudin wanted by PL clubs:

[Link]

And same for the others. I know that Bologna paid 10 million for the youngster Skov Olsen. In the time since hes been there he's been backup for Orsolini (also a good player, but higher than 30 million in price range). Skov Olsen scored in the last 4 months 1 goals in Serie A and 6 goals for Denmark U21 (top goalscorer at U21 level). If they're ot using him as much as Orsolini, I know a 15 million bid would mean instant profit for them and would at least tempt them.

Calvin Stengs, the other 20 year old, is at a similar price. These are the highest prices a club like Alkmaar from the Netherlands could demand. I really wish you guys had seen these kids play, they're fantastic.

Matheus Pereira will surely be signed by WBA cause the 10 million they have as option to buy is really a small fee for him. Now I don't know if they would agree to sell for just 15 (they'll probably wait for much more from a PL side),but perhaps tempting them with an immediate profit would work.

Eintracht Frankfurt were really close tonletting Kamada go for 5 million to Genoa in the summer. They eventually decided to give him a chance of becoming a forst team player at 23 years old and he took it. But his price can't have gone up significantly, so I estimate a bid of around 8 million should do the trick (prices in the Bundesliga are much more grounded for a number of good players).

Ryan Christie is doing great but Celtic really undervalued him. They offered him a small contract and now it will be up in 2022. Even if some Celtic pundits would say he's worth 30 million at the way he is playing, I think that Celtic would rather cash in 10-15 million that lose him for free 2 years from now.


I haven't heard off all these players but I can tell you now, regardless of who they are, replacing 7 players in the January transfer window is a disaster waiting to happen and also probably not possible even if the club tried. You actually have to find buyers and wait for the deals to go through from the selling end before we buy - otherwise we could be well out of pocket.

But also, bear in mind:

- The damage it'll do to the harmony of the squad who are performing admirably in the league.

- The inexperience of the new players both in the Premier League and with their new teammates.

I'm all for bringing in 1 or 2 new faces and blending in, but I don't agree with replacing players such as Townsend or McCarthy or Reidewald just because we think there may be better.

 

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View kennybrowns leftfoot's Profile kennybrowns leftfoot Flag Reigate 31 Dec 19 4.17am Send a Private Message to kennybrowns leftfoot Add kennybrowns leftfoot as a friend

Originally posted by rikz

Just get morelos from rangers, 28 goals this season is decent regardless of the league, wont cost a stupid amount, got something about him and only 23

This would be my choice... This lad is seriously talented in my opinion but comes with a crazy streak to... Unfortunately I think we are a season to late. I can’t see Rangers taking less than £20m for him and I can’t see us being able to afford that sadly..

 


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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 31 Dec 19 8.35am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by mattteo

Just things I know, Willo. I drink and I know things. And I drink a lot. I have a lot of spare time. To drink. And know things

Townsend:
[Link]

[Link]

Benteke:
[Link]

[Link]

Tiqunho from Porto:
[Link]

Bounedjah (wanted by Marseille):
[Link]

Edouard from Celtic:
[Link]

Andrasz Sporar to Celtic:
[Link]

Rigoni from Sampdoria:
[Link]

Oudin wanted by PL clubs:

[Link]

And same for the others. I know that Bologna paid 10 million for the youngster Skov Olsen. In the time since hes been there he's been backup for Orsolini (also a good player, but higher than 30 million in price range). Skov Olsen scored in the last 4 months 1 goals in Serie A and 6 goals for Denmark U21 (top goalscorer at U21 level). If they're ot using him as much as Orsolini, I know a 15 million bid would mean instant profit for them and would at least tempt them.

Calvin Stengs, the other 20 year old, is at a similar price. These are the highest prices a club like Alkmaar from the Netherlands could demand. I really wish you guys had seen these kids play, they're fantastic.

Matheus Pereira will surely be signed by WBA cause the 10 million they have as option to buy is really a small fee for him. Now I don't know if they would agree to sell for just 15 (they'll probably wait for much more from a PL side),but perhaps tempting them with an immediate profit would work.

Eintracht Frankfurt were really close tonletting Kamada go for 5 million to Genoa in the summer. They eventually decided to give him a chance of becoming a forst team player at 23 years old and he took it. But his price can't have gone up significantly, so I estimate a bid of around 8 million should do the trick (prices in the Bundesliga are much more grounded for a number of good players).

Ryan Christie is doing great but Celtic really undervalued him. They offered him a small contract and now it will be up in 2022. Even if some Celtic pundits would say he's worth 30 million at the way he is playing, I think that Celtic would rather cash in 10-15 million that lose him for free 2 years from now.

I have heard the saying that if someone doesn't blow one's own trumpet, somebody else will use it as a spitoon.

Edited by Willo (31 Dec 2019 8.37am)

 

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View HeathMan's Profile HeathMan Flag Purley 31 Dec 19 8.51am Send a Private Message to HeathMan Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add HeathMan as a friend

Regarding Roy's four or five new players. If you buy one it is assumed that you have bought a star and he will always be on your teamsheet. However, Roy likes to keep his cards close to his chest. Gary Cahill, until injury was being played, Victor Camarasa (23) and Nya Kirby (380 and also bought in players who have been allowed to develop while other imports take the heat. I suspect that Roy likes to protect his players .

 

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View mattteo's Profile mattteo Flag 31 Dec 19 11.26am Send a Private Message to mattteo Add mattteo as a friend

Originally posted by YoDougie


I haven't heard off all these players but I can tell you now, regardless of who they are, replacing 7 players in the January transfer window is a disaster waiting to happen ......

- The damage it'll do to the harmony of the squad who are performing admirably in the league.

True. But not if those players hardly contribute to anything. Dann, Wichkam, McCarthy, Camarasa, Meyer, Benteke are just 6 players without whom the club would have done the exact same things this season. Replacing them with better does not disrupt the 15 who Roy used constantly: 2 gks, Ward, Kelly, Tomkins, Cahill, Sako, PVA, Schlupp, Luka, Kouyate, Jimmy Macca, Zaha, Jordan Ayew, Townsend.

And Riedewald...come on. We're suddenly at the "don't give away Riedewald" stage because he played 90 minutes?? There's always the talk about letting a player go if he played just 150 minutes in 6 months, like he did. He only played because both PVA and Schlupp were unavailable. What happends when they're both available? Keep Riedewald as a center back? There is no room. Make him a defensive midfielder? There's Milivojevic, Kouyate, Jimmy Macca, Camarasa, McCarthy.

Good for Riedewald, I admire that he stepped up, he really did a good job against WH, but keeping him is too much.

 

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Originally posted by mattteo

True. But not if those players hardly contribute to anything. Dann, Wichkam, McCarthy, Camarasa, Meyer, Benteke are just 6 players without whom the club would have done the exact same things this season. Replacing them with better does not disrupt the 15 who Roy used constantly: 2 gks, Ward, Kelly, Tomkins, Cahill, Sako, PVA, Schlupp, Luka, Kouyate, Jimmy Macca, Zaha, Jordan Ayew, Townsend.

And Riedewald...come on. We're suddenly at the "don't give away Riedewald" stage because he played 90 minutes?? There's always the talk about letting a player go if he played just 150 minutes in 6 months, like he did. He only played because both PVA and Schlupp were unavailable. What happends when they're both available? Keep Riedewald as a center back? There is no room. Make him a defensive midfielder? There's Milivojevic, Kouyate, Jimmy Macca, Camarasa, McCarthy.

Good for Riedewald, I admire that he stepped up, he really did a good job against WH, but keeping him is too much.

Agree mostly with what you say except Meyer who I think will get better in this league. Verdict still out on Riedewald as he has looked more and more assured with minutes on the pitch. He ain’t no full back that’s for sure, however his passing indicates he could become the link man in midfield if he continues to improve.

 

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