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Originally posted by Badger11
When I retired my company offered me 2 options for my pension. 1. An annuity from any market provider. This is important because some pensions are tied to 1 annuity provider and different companies will offer different deals. 2. I could transfer my pension to a private pension provider who offered a Drawdown option as Goal machine has described. In may case I went for option 2 as the annuity rate meant I would get a pension of something like 7k pa. The drawdown is riskier however I took the full 25% tax free which my wealth manager invests for me plus I have an income of £28k pa. If the numbers had been a lot closer I probably would have gone for an annuity but this was a no brainer. I should point out that I have other assets and when I get my state pension in 6 years time I will reduce the drawdown from the private pension by the equivalent. In other words 28k today will reduce to 20k plus the state pension. That should see me out for the rest of my life. Note I am not planning on leaving a lot of money in my will so if I live to 90 the pension pot will be tiny. One final thought as GM states once you buy an annuity you are locked in forever however a drawdown pension is a pot of money if in the future annuity rates suddenly increase or a new product appears you can switch to it. So flexibility is it's strength and weakness. Edited by Badger11 (08 Jun 2020 10.20am) On this point, the industry came under heavy scrutiny several years ago as providers were making it too easy for retirees to simply accept the first annuity rate being offered to them. This meant that retirees were not shopping around for the best rate and losing out on millions of pounds of income. It is so important to shop around and speak with an Adviser when reaching retirement. Guaranteed income (annuity) and Drawdown often compliment each other well. Some people like to have a baseline of guaranteed income to cover their 'essential' expenditure, such as bills and food. This can be from a combination of State Pension, annuity and final salary pension. The rest of the pot (Drawdown) can simply remain invested and be used to dip into occasionally for large ad-hoc costs such as holidays, gifts and new cars.
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Originally posted by cryrst
Hi GM Morning Cryrst, no worries, just call when you're free. Yes, you are correct in your understanding. The mechanics would work as follows: You would need to 'crystalise' £20,000, of which 25% is your £5,000 tax free amount. The other £15,000 would be designated to drawdown, where you could either withdraw it as taxable income or leave it invested to grow. The remaining £80,000 of 'uncrystalised' pension can remain invested. Let's assume over the next 5 years this grows to £90,000, you would then in future be entitled to 25% of £90,000 (£22,500). Like before, you don't have to take it all in one go.
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Originally posted by Bexley Eagle
Interested in what GM would consider a decent multiple for the transfer of a defined benefit pension to a money purchase scheme? I have an old RBS final salary scheme pension that I reckon will pay£900 a month from the age of 60. I recently did a transfer quote and they were offering in excess of 400k which I thought was very good. I always thought I would keep the pension as it is guaranteed but I did think the buy out rate was tempting Hi Bexley, I'm a little uncomfortable putting a figure on a decent multiple. Recently I've seen figures as high as 40:1. It's easy to be distracted by the big numbers on offer from a transfer. The focus should be around what your retirement objectives are and what you feel most comfortable with. As you know, with a Final Salary pension, the main attraction is the guaranteed income for life with inflation proofing and usually with at least a 50% spouses pension. To give you an idea, if you were to buy a lifetime annuity on a like for like basis (i.e. £900 per month, 50% spouses pension, RPI inflation at age 60), it would cost you roughly £615,000 to buy that secure income. An advisers starting point will always be to assume that a transfer is not suitable. You may have seen the previous discussion around this earlier in the thread, but Final Salary transfers are becoming increasingly difficult for advisers to recommend a transfer away, the associated advice fees are expensive for the client too. There has to be genuinely good objectives as to why it would be in your best interests to transfer a final salary pension. An attractive transfer value would not be a justifiable reason to transfer in the eyes of the FCA. Unless the transfer value is below £30,000, you will need to see an adviser who would have to recommend that a transfer is suitable. It was announced just this Friday that the FCA is banning contingent charging on Final Salary Transfer Advice. Ultimately, what this means for the client, is that they have to pay the full fee in advance before the full advice process is carried out. For a £400,000 transfer value, this could mean you pay an upfront £12,000 fee only to be recommended that you remain in your current pension. The rules differ for those in serious ill health or in financial hardship. If you have other pension savings in a defined contribution pot, this will give you all the benefits of a transfer - flexibility, more choice around death benefits, tax efficiency. Edited by Goal Machine (09 Jun 2020 3.23pm) Edited by Goal Machine (09 Jun 2020 3.39pm)
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Originally posted by JRW2
Mr Goal Machine, You say that if the pensioner dies before age 75, what is left of his pension will be taxed at the recipient's marginal rate - which could be up to 45%. That seems to mean that a widow "inheriting" a pension pot of £400k could immediately have to give at least £80k, and up to £180k, of that sum to the tax man. I have always thought it was only the recipient's withdrawals from the pot that were taxed. Could you please clarify? PS: Do you ever regret starting this thread?! Mr JRW2, Ha! No, I don't regret (yet!). Hopefully people are getting some benefit out of the thread. You never know, if someone would like help from an IFA one day, they'll think of me. When the pensioner dies before 75 it can be withdrawn tax free by the beneficiary. Using your example, when the pensioner dies after 75, it will pass to the widow tax free, but will be taxed at the widows marginal rate upon withdrawal - this could be 0% / 20% / 40% / 45% depending on their situation. So yes, you are correct. Just had the before/after 75 the wrong way around.
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Originally posted by Goal Machine
Mr JRW2, So yes, you are correct. Just had the before/after 75 the wrong way around.
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
Interesting topic, and I feel like I'm learning a bit. Two things come to mind, from my own experience. 1. An accountant friend of mine from years ago, said "a (good) financial advisor will always make you enough money to cover their fees, and then plenty more. 2, Using a financial advisor for investing in lots of different shares (spreading the risk), enabled me to double my money in around 5 years. This pi$$ed all over what the banks were offering in interest at the time. However, the same Financial advisor told me an ironic story. He had a client who had invested in shares. Every time the share-price dropped, the client ordered his financial advisor to sell. His client willfully ignored advice, and kept buying high, and selling low. And lost a shed-loads of money. Human nature kicks in and rash financial decisions are made. It's foolish though, as you say, because even a casual glance at the stock market suggests that it's important to just sit tight and hang on in there. The old "time in the market, not timing the market" again. I saw a comment recently from someone losing it over the ups and downs of the current market and wondering what to do. A reply to them that summed it up said typically you have two options - to lose money quickly Constant rash decisions lead to the former!
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Originally posted by cryrst
Hi GM Hi Cryrst, hope you're well. Yes, quite a change. I'm sure Nationwide will not be the only lender to do this. It's certainly going to hit the younger generation hard and there is likely to be an increased reliance on the bank of mum and dad to get on the property ladder. I can understand why they've done it. There are concerns over negative equity if property values fall and also even worse is the increased risk that people can't repay the loan and could end up homeless. Ultimately they need to protect themselves and the customer. Thankfully it's not effected any of my clients yet as they are either home owners or happy to rent with no desire to buy. I don't know how long these changes will be in place for, but I guess for parents looking to help their children get onto the property ladder in future, this represents an opportunity to start a savings or investment plan - perhaps via a Stocks & Shares/Junior ISA
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How much do I need to save for retirement? Where do I start with this? Research from Fidelity suggests that ‘savers should be putting away at least 13% of their pre-retirement annual income before tax, each year, from the age of 25’. 25-years olds are typically saving for their first deposit, wedding or have kids. How can they possibly afford 13 percent per month? The introduction of Auto Enrolment, which is the requirement for employers to automatically enrol new starters into the workplace pension scheme, has helped but the minimum contribution requirement is 3% from the employer plus 5% from the employee. This is still 5% short of Fidelity’s 13% suggestion. Now factor in the ageing population in the UK with the plans to increase the State Pension age beyond 67. This clearly raises questions about the sustainability of the State Pension. Will Millennial's even have a State Pension in 40 years’ time? If any of this is worrying you, then good. This is designed to shock as too many are sleeping walking into financial worry. My issue with Fidelity’s statement is that it is far too simplistic. Someone with a desired retirement age of 55 will need to save considerably more than someone who wants to retire at 70. One person’s dream retirement could be to travel the world and take up new hobbies, which will require more income than their best mate who just wants to watch telly and walk the dog. Retirement planning is complex and unique as there so many variables to consider. Here are a few steps to hopefully put you on track. Step 2: Step 3: To put this into context, if you are cautiously minded and are attracted to the simplicity of a guaranteed income for life in retirement (known as a lifetime annuity), a £10,000 per annum inflation linked income with no death benefits or guarantees would cost a healthy 65-year old approximately £375,000. Try this pension shortfall calculator to see where you currently are: [Link] Ultimately, the only person who can help you, is you. Here are my tips: • Start saving early. The effects of compounding (the snowball effect) will be far greater for someone starting in their 20’s compared with someone in their 40’s. • Maximise your employer contribution. Most settle for the default minimum contribution upon joining the workplace pension. Speak to your HR department as many employers will increase their contribution if you do. If your company will offer you free money, you might as well take it, right? • Review your pension investment. The default choice will be a run of the mill ‘lifestyle’ approach which gradually de-risks as you get to within 10 years of your selected retirement age. Many employer sponsored arrangements have up to 200 other funds to choose from. Is there a better option to make your investment work harder for you? • Keep track of previous pensions. There is over £10 billion of lost pensions in the UK as people move job and forget about their old pension. It often make sense to transfer your old pension into your current one for ease of administration, but check charges before doing this. Here is the link to the governments Pension Tracing Service: [Link] • Use the correct tax wrapper. A pension will benefit from full tax relief on a contribution and growth will also be tax free. I recently met a client who had been saving towards retirement via a stocks and shares ISA. 20 years of contributions had been missing out on 20% tax relief and investment growth. • Love your pension. You may not feel it now, but one day you will be grateful for the small sacrifices. Get in the habit of checking your pension value at least once a month. A financial planner will have access to cashflow forecasting software which will help you to project into the future and identify any shortfall. As always, comments and questions are welcome. Feel free to PM me if you'd like any assistance with your own arrangements.
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