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 CambridgeEagle  Sydenham 05 May 17 4.22pm |
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
Indeed. Very worrying. How accurate a barometer for the GE it is remains to be seen. I imagine Labour will be clinging on to the fact that turnout will be lower in locals than GE and generally turnout is a lot more variable among Labour voters than Tories. Turkeys and Christmas come to mind.
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 05 May 17 5.03pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Andy Burnham easily wins mayoral contest in Manchester. Just shows you what moderate Labour politicians can achieve. What has he achieved? He won an election, something which 'moderate' Labour has rarely managed to do in the past decade. But that's not 'achieving' anything. As a politician, your record should be based on what you do for people, not your capacity to win elections.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 05 May 17 5.08pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
What has he achieved? He won an election, something which 'moderate' Labour has rarely managed to do in the past decade. But that's not 'achieving' anything. As a politician, your record should be based on what you do for people, not your capacity to win elections. As a politician you can't do much if you're not elected.
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| matt_himself Matataland 05 May 17 5.09pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
What has he achieved? He won an election, something which 'moderate' Labour has rarely managed to do in the past decade. But that's not 'achieving' anything. As a politician, your record should be based on what you do for people, not your capacity to win elections. In order to enact Policy, politicians need to win elections. It's clear from today's results that the people don't like Jezza and his agenda is regarded as bats*** crazy.
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Y Ddraig Goch  In The Crowd 05 May 17 5.12pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
What has he achieved? He won an election, something which 'moderate' Labour has rarely managed to do in the past decade. But that's not 'achieving' anything. As a politician, your record should be based on what you do for people, not your capacity to win elections. Not a fan of Burnham but he is certainly a clever politician. Former Blairite, hammered in the leadership election, swears allegiance to Corbyn, gets in Shadow Cabinet then leaves becomes Mayor and is moderate again. Could be a leader of the Labour Party in 10 yrs or so. Unless someone like Starmer gets in
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 05 May 17 5.40pm |
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
Not a fan of Burnham but he is certainly a clever politician. Former Blairite, hammered in the leadership election, swears allegiance to Corbyn, gets in Shadow Cabinet then leaves becomes Mayor and is moderate again. Could be a leader of the Labour Party in 10 yrs or so. Unless someone like Starmer gets in Best leave it for 10 years. Pointless until then. Even Corbyn doesn't really want to be PM, or he really knows there's no chance. The poster was right saying it'd need an apocalypse for a true socialist party to be voted in. Better dump all war heads in the sea and cut off all ties for that to happen. Hang on Jezza needs to lead us for it to happen.
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| Stirlingsays 05 May 17 6.02pm |
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There's something weird about Burnham.
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
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| Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 05 May 17 6.06pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
There's something weird about Burnham. Not really. He's a typical modern career politician for whom a principle is something flexible that can be bought, sold or changed whenever needed to get elected.
Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune) |
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 05 May 17 6.07pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
What has he achieved? He won an election, something which 'moderate' Labour has rarely managed to do in the past decade. But that's not 'achieving' anything. As a politician, your record should be based on what you do for people, not your capacity to win elections. It's incredible how the Labour left take a pride in being unelectable.
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 Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 05 May 17 6.30pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
"Apocalypse now" for Labour in the Local Elections and another "Apocalypse" predicted on June 8th.
Edited by Willo (05 May 2017 6.21pm) Why? Did "Mark" come round for a bit of slap and tickle?
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 05 May 17 6.33pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
"Apocalypse now" for Labour in the Local Elections and another "Apocalypse" predicted on June 8th. Good night last night and a good day for me today !
Edited by Willo (05 May 2017 6.21pm) Trouble is we're about to experience what it's like having weak or no opposition. Unfortunately everybody feels they have to have vote May or there's a soft or a weak or no Brexit after limp waisted negotiations by a leftie coalition. Will May ever intend to deliver fairness and fair opportunity in society as she did on securing her leadership? I wouldn't count on it. This term possibly unachievable even if she wanted, and will she want to, with a large majority and no challenge. This is the trouble. We don't know what we're voting for. Before or after manifesto. I will vote Tory. But fully trust them? What a sorry state of affairs.
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| Stirlingsays 05 May 17 6.34pm |
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Originally posted by Mr_Gristle
Not really. He's a typical modern career politician for whom a principle is something flexible that can be bought, sold or changed whenever needed to get elected. Maybe...He's probably a decent chap...Just something about him seems a bit off.
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jeeagles  05 May 17 7.11pm |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
If only it was contained to such a small part of the UK. All good valid reasons against the current government. However, I did only say perceived. The average voters in the general election makes their decision through the following though process: Which party is going to get me the best employment prospects, red or blue? That's how Trump became president. After he said he was going to get back American jobs for America people he was always going to win and could get away with anything else he wanted.
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| Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 05 May 17 7.36pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Maybe...He's probably a decent chap...Just something about him seems a bit off. I agree definitely seems a little "off"
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| Hrolf The Ganger 05 May 17 8.29pm |
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Originally posted by laddo
The harsh reality is that currently living standards are dropping, the NHS is on its knees, schools are massively struggling, we have a PM who says people use food banks for 'a number of complicated reasons' (yeah good one) and child poverty is rising. Yet, here we are on the brink of giving the tories a landslide victory. We are quick to laugh at the USA voting for Trump but from where I'm looking, it seems the UK is just as bad at making bizarre decisions at the polling stations. Not saying a Labour win would be great, but certainly a Tory landslide is bad news for the majority of hard working families in this country who quite frankly, the likes of Ian Duncan Smith and Philip Hammond treat with contempt. Rubbish. Nothing could be worse for them than putting a shambolic Labour Party in charge when we need strong negotiation on Brexit and strict control of the economy.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 05 May 17 8.31pm |
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Originally posted by laddo
The harsh reality is that currently living standards are dropping, the NHS is on its knees, schools are massively struggling, we have a PM who says people use food banks for 'a number of complicated reasons' (yeah good one) and child poverty is rising. Yet, here we are on the brink of giving the tories a landslide victory. We are quick to laugh at the USA voting for Trump but from where I'm looking, it seems the UK is just as bad at making bizarre decisions at the polling stations. Not saying a Labour win would be great, but certainly a Tory landslide is bad news for the majority of hard working families in this country who quite frankly, the likes of Ian Duncan Smith and Philip Hammond treat with contempt. Yes. I prefer the Tories to win, this time. But not in this way. People don't realise how sh1tty things could get for them. Thatcher was a long time ago and not in the memory of some voting blue, or out the other side and ok now for other blue voters. But it isn't the voters fault. It's the fault of Corbyn, his fan club and the union leaders backing him, that useless pr1ck Ed Moribund and not his much more electable brother David. David Miliband may have been more Blair Mk II but at least he's competition. What Corbyn wants to do is see this election through, change the party's voting rules on leadership and see another socialist leader give it another bash for 10 years. Dont count on holidays if you have to count the £s. You might be in the unlucky discarded sector under a large Tory majority. That's if May doesn't start to address the country's ills she promised. Edited by Rudi Hedman (05 May 2017 8.34pm)
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