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Hoof Hearted 23 Dec 15 2.40pm

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See the sun has to print a front page apology for printing b/s about Corbyn. [Link]


The apology will be forgotten about after Christmas but people's perception of what a muddled fool Corbyn is won't be!

If Labour want to be regarded as a credible alternative party to the Tories then having him as leader relying on Diane Abbot to be his spokesperson is not the way to do it.


I make you wrong there.


No problem with that..... time will tell which of us called it right.


Are you talking about public perception or what the press say? There's a difference. Of course the press are trying to discredit him, the media barons are the ones with most to lose if Corbyn gains even more popularity.


Public perception.

Right now he has the support of the lefty diehards that voted him in - but these are only a very tiny percentage of potential Labour voters.

The overwhelming majority of voters (who are not Labour Party members) do not and will not support him short or long term because of his policies, appearance and failure to generate confidence in his ability to be a genuine PM. His standing on the Nuclear deterrent issue is just one example of this.

Someone like Chuka Umunna would be a much more credible Labour Leader and give them a chance of the public's acceptance I feel.

And you've garnered this public perception from where exactly?


Wait for it...................

the public!


I thought you didn't go out.


I'm very popular and get loads of visitors.

 
nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 23 Dec 15 2.48pm

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See the sun has to print a front page apology for printing b/s about Corbyn. [Link]


The apology will be forgotten about after Christmas but people's perception of what a muddled fool Corbyn is won't be!

If Labour want to be regarded as a credible alternative party to the Tories then having him as leader relying on Diane Abbot to be his spokesperson is not the way to do it.


I make you wrong there.


No problem with that..... time will tell which of us called it right.


Are you talking about public perception or what the press say? There's a difference. Of course the press are trying to discredit him, the media barons are the ones with most to lose if Corbyn gains even more popularity.


Public perception.

Right now he has the support of the lefty diehards that voted him in - but these are only a very tiny percentage of potential Labour voters.

The overwhelming majority of voters (who are not Labour Party members) do not and will not support him short or long term because of his policies, appearance and failure to generate confidence in his ability to be a genuine PM. His standing on the Nuclear deterrent issue is just one example of this.

Someone like Chuka Umunna would be a much more credible Labour Leader and give them a chance of the public's acceptance I feel.

And you've garnered this public perception from where exactly?


Wait for it...................

the public!


I thought you didn't go out.


I'm very popular and get loads of visitors.

Holding ukip meetings doesn't count.

 
jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 23 Dec 15 2.48pm

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See the sun has to print a front page apology for printing b/s about Corbyn. [Link]


The apology will be forgotten about after Christmas but people's perception of what a muddled fool Corbyn is won't be!

If Labour want to be regarded as a credible alternative party to the Tories then having him as leader relying on Diane Abbot to be his spokesperson is not the way to do it.


I make you wrong there.


No problem with that..... time will tell which of us called it right.


Are you talking about public perception or what the press say? There's a difference. Of course the press are trying to discredit him, the media barons are the ones with most to lose if Corbyn gains even more popularity.


Public perception.

Right now he has the support of the lefty diehards that voted him in - but these are only a very tiny percentage of potential Labour voters.

The overwhelming majority of voters (who are not Labour Party members) do not and will not support him short or long term because of his policies, appearance and failure to generate confidence in his ability to be a genuine PM. His standing on the Nuclear deterrent issue is just one example of this.

Someone like Chuka Umunna would be a much more credible Labour Leader and give them a chance of the public's acceptance I feel.

I dunno, he might be unpopular with swing voters, but given that they switched boats at the last election from Miliband and that the Liberal democrats all but vanished (saved by the dubious democratic process) think someone like Corbyn can deliver a lot of those who left or lost interest in the Labour party under the rise of New labour.

Similar to how the SNP have come to dominate Scotland by focusing on issues that resonate on a personal level in Scotland, I think that Corbyn represents a possible return to a Labour party that is an opposition rather than a similar alternative. Whether he can win an election is another matter.

He doesn't seem popular with his party, but delivered at the first test so far. A lot of those 'leftie diehards' joined Labour via various means to get him a landslide victory. I suspect they are more than people presume. Its not like the older labour party of the pre-Blair eras didn't do alright in elections and occasionally win them.

Plus he's got about four years in opposition, which is a long time of having the benefit of establishing your self as 'the other guy'.

Win an election, probably not - but I wouldn't count on him being the death knell of labour. I think he'll do alright - Probably won't win, but I also expect by then a lot of the New Labour cretins will be gone, and they'll be pulling issue voters from the liberal democrats, Greens and even from those in UKIP who are left wing.

Labour can't win an election in the UK without improving its results in Scotland - New Labour proved about as popular as the Conservative party up there.


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Bert the Head Flag Epsom 23 Dec 15 9.10pm

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See the sun has to print a front page apology for printing b/s about Corbyn. [Link]


The apology will be forgotten about after Christmas but people's perception of what a muddled fool Corbyn is won't be!

If Labour want to be regarded as a credible alternative party to the Tories then having him as leader relying on Diane Abbot to be his spokesperson is not the way to do it.


I make you wrong there.


No problem with that..... time will tell which of us called it right.


Are you talking about public perception or what the press say? There's a difference. Of course the press are trying to discredit him, the media barons are the ones with most to lose if Corbyn gains even more popularity.


Public perception.

Right now he has the support of the lefty diehards that voted him in - but these are only a very tiny percentage of potential Labour voters.

The overwhelming majority of voters (who are not Labour Party members) do not and will not support him short or long term because of his policies, appearance and failure to generate confidence in his ability to be a genuine PM. His standing on the Nuclear deterrent issue is just one example of this.

Someone like Chuka Umunna would be a much more credible Labour Leader and give them a chance of the public's acceptance I feel.

And you've garnered this public perception from where exactly?


Wait for it...................

the public!

Hoofy, that is the first time I have heard Rupert Murdoch, the Barclay Brothers, Richard Desmond and Viscount Rothermere referred as the Public.

Still, we are all in it together. Even those of us who don't actually live in the UK and are classed as non-doms for tax purposes. Your intellectual leaders have an awful lot of representation without taxation.



 
the.universal 23 Dec 15 11.15pm

Potentially somewhat off topic but I'm going for it anyway. Nick, I respect your knowledge of politics, what are your views on Diane Abbott?

 

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Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 23 Dec 15 11.31pm

Quote the.universal at 23 Dec 2015 11.15pm

Potentially somewhat off topic but I'm going for it anyway. Nick, I respect your knowledge of politics, what are your views on Diane Abbott?


 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 23 Dec 15 11.39pm

Quote the.universal at 23 Dec 2015 11.15pm

Potentially somewhat off topic but I'm going for it anyway. Nick, I respect your knowledge of politics, what are your views on Diane Abbott?


Not without some good ideas, puts her foot in her mouth a lot, criticism sometimes deserved, but alas disproportionate as she is a panto villain politician.
Supposed to be a very good constituency M.P. She must be doing something right to get re elected.

 
Hoof Hearted 24 Dec 15 11.12am

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Quote nickgusset at 21 Dec 2015 11.12pm

See the sun has to print a front page apology for printing b/s about Corbyn. [Link]


The apology will be forgotten about after Christmas but people's perception of what a muddled fool Corbyn is won't be!

If Labour want to be regarded as a credible alternative party to the Tories then having him as leader relying on Diane Abbot to be his spokesperson is not the way to do it.


I make you wrong there.


No problem with that..... time will tell which of us called it right.


Are you talking about public perception or what the press say? There's a difference. Of course the press are trying to discredit him, the media barons are the ones with most to lose if Corbyn gains even more popularity.


Public perception.

Right now he has the support of the lefty diehards that voted him in - but these are only a very tiny percentage of potential Labour voters.

The overwhelming majority of voters (who are not Labour Party members) do not and will not support him short or long term because of his policies, appearance and failure to generate confidence in his ability to be a genuine PM. His standing on the Nuclear deterrent issue is just one example of this.

Someone like Chuka Umunna would be a much more credible Labour Leader and give them a chance of the public's acceptance I feel.

And you've garnered this public perception from where exactly?


Wait for it...................

the public!


I thought you didn't go out.


I'm very popular and get loads of visitors.

Holding ukip meetings doesn't count.


Really..........

 
elgrande Flag bedford 24 Dec 15 12.12pm

Quote nickgusset at 23 Dec 2015 11.39pm

Quote the.universal at 23 Dec 2015 11.15pm

Potentially somewhat off topic but I'm going for it anyway. Nick, I respect your knowledge of politics, what are your views on Diane Abbott?


Not without some good ideas, puts her foot in her mouth a lot, criticism sometimes deserved, but alas disproportionate as she is a panto villain politician.
Supposed to be a very good constituency M.P. She must be doing something right to get re elected.


Although time and time again proved to be a hypocrite....and the lefts favorite term(when used against the right) Racist.
And she is a pantomine politician as you described her,because thta just what she is,Pathetic woman whos quest for power knows no limits....or morals.

 

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Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 04 Jan 16 4.02pm

The PA misrepresenting Corbyn ('tis a sad day when I find myself defending him)

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 04 Jan 16 5.13pm

Also hasn't had his genitals in a pigs mouth, literally speaking, although having apparently done the nasty with Abbott presumably is guilty of such acts figuratively.

Which is probably worse.

 

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dannyh Flag wherever I lay my hat....... 05 Jan 16 1.59pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 04 Jan 2016 5.13pm

Also hasn't had his genitals in a pigs mouth, literally speaking, although having apparently done the nasty with Abbott presumably is guilty of such acts figuratively.

Which is probably worse.


Perhaps not but only becuase he is too busy trying to remove his foot from his own mouth (and his cock from abbotts hoop)

Blokes a fool, and will be deposed by Hilary Benn, then and only then will labour stand a chance of winning.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 07 Jan 16 10.23pm

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Corbyn wants to nationalise the banks, the railways and we all know that that would be a disater.

Just seen on a bbc4 documentary that before privatisation, BR was the 2nd cheapest and most efficient railway in Europe.
Now it's among the most expensive!

 
johnfirewall Flag 07 Jan 16 10.39pm

The railways are a disgrace but if they're now at capacity and all the lines need updating and Labour don't want High Speed then it doesn't matter who owns them. Even the government (as it does in the form of TfL) needs to turn a profit to reinvest.

 
The White Horse Flag 08 Jan 16 2.29am

Quote nickgusset at 22 Dec 2015 12.23pm

Are you talking about public perception or what the press say? There's a difference. Of course the press are trying to discredit him, the media barons are the ones with most to lose if Corbyn gains even more popularity.

The press aren't just trying to discredit Corbyn, they're succeeding. As a Labour party supporter, I'd suggest there are two options available:

1) Eliminate right-wing bias in the media.
2) Get a leader who is less of a liability.

I'd struggle to do the first option effectively. I think I could find at least 200 MPs who open up options on the second.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 08 Jan 16 9.30am

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Quote nickgusset at 22 Dec 2015 12.23pm

Are you talking about public perception or what the press say? There's a difference. Of course the press are trying to discredit him, the media barons are the ones with most to lose if Corbyn gains even more popularity.

The press aren't just trying to discredit Corbyn, they're succeeding. As a Labour party supporter, I'd suggest there are two options available:

1) Eliminate right-wing bias in the media.
2) Get a leader who is less of a liability.

I'd struggle to do the first option effectively. I think I could find at least 200 MPs who open up options on the second.


Get rid of a leader who has seen membership of the labour party bigger than it's been for a long long time? A mistake I feel.
These people don't want a 'Tory lite' labour leader.

 
npn Flag Crowborough 08 Jan 16 9.42am

Quote nickgusset at 08 Jan 2016 9.30am

Quote The White Horse at 08 Jan 2016 2.29am

Quote nickgusset at 22 Dec 2015 12.23pm

Are you talking about public perception or what the press say? There's a difference. Of course the press are trying to discredit him, the media barons are the ones with most to lose if Corbyn gains even more popularity.

The press aren't just trying to discredit Corbyn, they're succeeding. As a Labour party supporter, I'd suggest there are two options available:

1) Eliminate right-wing bias in the media.
2) Get a leader who is less of a liability.

I'd struggle to do the first option effectively. I think I could find at least 200 MPs who open up options on the second.


Get rid of a leader who has seen membership of the labour party bigger than it's been for a long long time? A mistake I feel.
These people don't want a 'Tory lite' labour leader.


The problem for Labour is that members doesn't equal votes. People prone to membership of the party are likely to vote for a jellyfish if it's wearing a red rosette, what they need to do to win an election is grab significant numbers from "non-political" people. I really don't think Corbyn's the man to do that for them. As for the membership vote, I think it may be a case of "be careful what you wish for", but time will telll, and I don't know diddly (except I wouldn't personally trust him to run a bath, let alone a country).

 
nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 08 Jan 16 10.06am

Quote npn at 08 Jan 2016 9.42am

Quote nickgusset at 08 Jan 2016 9.30am

Quote The White Horse at 08 Jan 2016 2.29am

Quote nickgusset at 22 Dec 2015 12.23pm

Are you talking about public perception or what the press say? There's a difference. Of course the press are trying to discredit him, the media barons are the ones with most to lose if Corbyn gains even more popularity.

The press aren't just trying to discredit Corbyn, they're succeeding. As a Labour party supporter, I'd suggest there are two options available:

1) Eliminate right-wing bias in the media.
2) Get a leader who is less of a liability.

I'd struggle to do the first option effectively. I think I could find at least 200 MPs who open up options on the second.


Get rid of a leader who has seen membership of the labour party bigger than it's been for a long long time? A mistake I feel.
These people don't want a 'Tory lite' labour leader.


The problem for Labour is that members doesn't equal votes. People prone to membership of the party are likely to vote for a jellyfish if it's wearing a red rosette, what they need to do to win an election is grab significant numbers from "non-political" people. I really don't think Corbyn's the man to do that for them. As for the membership vote, I think it may be a case of "be careful what you wish for", but time will telll, and I don't know diddly (except I wouldn't personally trust him to run a bath, let alone a country).

More members = more people canvassing and arguing the toss on the doorsteps of the nation. Must have some impact?

 
nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 08 Jan 16 10.11am

Quote The White Horse at 08 Jan 2016 2.29am

Quote nickgusset at 22 Dec 2015 12.23pm

Are you talking about public perception or what the press say? There's a difference. Of course the press are trying to discredit him, the media barons are the ones with most to lose if Corbyn gains even more popularity.

The press aren't just trying to discredit Corbyn, they're succeeding. As a Labour party supporter, I'd suggest there are two options available:

1) Eliminate right-wing bias in the media.
2) Get a leader who is less of a liability.

I'd struggle to do the first option effectively. I think I could find at least 200 MPs who open up options on the second.


I read this morning that over 85% of labour mp's want to go with an anti austerity agenda. Who in the leadership contest, other than Corbyn, campaigned on this agenda?

 
The White Horse Flag 08 Jan 16 2.56pm

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Quote nickgusset at 08 Jan 2016 9.30am

Quote The White Horse at 08 Jan 2016 2.29am

Quote nickgusset at 22 Dec 2015 12.23pm

Are you talking about public perception or what the press say? There's a difference. Of course the press are trying to discredit him, the media barons are the ones with most to lose if Corbyn gains even more popularity.

The press aren't just trying to discredit Corbyn, they're succeeding. As a Labour party supporter, I'd suggest there are two options available:

1) Eliminate right-wing bias in the media.
2) Get a leader who is less of a liability.

I'd struggle to do the first option effectively. I think I could find at least 200 MPs who open up options on the second.


Get rid of a leader who has seen membership of the labour party bigger than it's been for a long long time? A mistake I feel.
These people don't want a 'Tory lite' labour leader.


The problem for Labour is that members doesn't equal votes. People prone to membership of the party are likely to vote for a jellyfish if it's wearing a red rosette, what they need to do to win an election is grab significant numbers from "non-political" people. I really don't think Corbyn's the man to do that for them. As for the membership vote, I think it may be a case of "be careful what you wish for", but time will telll, and I don't know diddly (except I wouldn't personally trust him to run a bath, let alone a country).

More members = more people canvassing and arguing the toss on the doorsteps of the nation. Must have some impact?

My "mate Dave" works for the Labour Party and nationally and locally the number of people canvassing for the party has absolutely plummeted since the last election despite the membership doubling.

 

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