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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 05 May 17 8.38pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Rubbish. Nothing could be worse for them than putting a shambolic Labour Party in charge when we need strong negotiation on Brexit and strict control of the economy.

He's wrong to say certainly but it could be bad news under majority Tory government. It could also be bad under Corbyn. The point really is that May is going to have carte Blanche to do whatever she wants, and she hasn't been forthcoming in telling us what she intends on anything. Good at making howlers of errors in policy that have tge public, the press, sometimes her own party up in arms and then it's scrapped as quick as you know. This is an example of what they're capable of. Whatever they want.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (05 May 2017 8.38pm)

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 05 May 17 8.57pm

Originally posted by Willo

Regards the 'General Election', I'm NOT getting carried away or taking any one or any vote for granted. Every vote will have to be earned and I shall be out there canvassing hour on hour for my party.

Just some praise for the activists of ALL parties who work so hard, in all weathers to knock on doors, deliver leaflets etc.I know I am one of them but I of course recognise the work carried out by all those of a different political persuasion as myself.

Edited by Willo (05 May 2017 6.49pm)

Thank you.

 

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 05 May 17 9.04pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

Not a fan of Burnham but he is certainly a clever politician.

Former Blairite, hammered in the leadership election, swears allegiance to Corbyn, gets in Shadow Cabinet then leaves becomes Mayor and is moderate again.

Could be a leader of the Labour Party in 10 yrs or so. Unless someone like Starmer gets in


Surprised anyone on here has a good word for him. He sought justice for the 96 and we all know scousers are another figure of hate and derision.

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 05 May 17 9.05pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

He's wrong to say certainly but it could be bad news under majority Tory government. It could also be bad under Corbyn. The point really is that May is going to have carte Blanche to do whatever she wants, and she hasn't been forthcoming in telling us what she intends on anything. Good at making howlers of errors in policy that have tge public, the press, sometimes her own party up in arms and then it's scrapped as quick as you know. This is an example of what they're capable of. Whatever they want.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (05 May 2017 8.38pm)

No British government has carte Blanche. I suspect that any Bill that is genuinely deplorable would be voted down by a majority of MP's. Not all Tory MP's are like minded on every issue.

 

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 05 May 17 9.07pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

No British government has carte Blanche. I suspect that any Bill that is genuinely deplorable would be voted down by a majority of MP's. Not all Tory MP's are like minded on every issue.

I thought may was strong and stable.

 

Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 05 May 17 9.11pm

Originally posted by nickgusset


Surprised anyone on here has a good word for him. He sought justice for the 96 and we all know scousers are another figure of hate and derision.

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For which he deserves credit.

if I remember correctly wasn't he heckled by the Liverpool fans a few years ago?

 


the dignified don't even enter in the game

Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 05 May 17 9.30pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

No British government has carte Blanche. I suspect that any Bill that is genuinely deplorable would be voted down by a majority of MP's. Not all Tory MP's are like minded on every issue.

Like more affordable housing?

 


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leifandersonshair Flag Newport 05 May 17 9.34pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

No British government has carte Blanche. I suspect that any Bill that is genuinely deplorable would be voted down by a majority of MP's. Not all Tory MP's are like minded on every issue.

I'd like to think so... sadly a majority of MP's (on all sides) seem to be brown nosing yes men.

If a 'NHS Privatisation Bill' or whatever came up later this year, with a Tory majority of 70 or 80, do you really think 70 or 80 of 400 Tory MP's would defy a 3 line whip? It wouldn't happen

 

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 05 May 17 10.38pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

For which he deserves credit.

if I remember correctly wasn't he heckled by the Liverpool fans a few years ago?

And is held in high esteem by them now.

Funny how a city where the currant bun is frowned upon is staunch labour.

 

serial thriller Flag The Promised Land 05 May 17 11.12pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

It's incredible how the Labour left take a pride in being unelectable.


No. To me it's incredible that people think that the main political aim of someone involved in politics is getting elected. Power is often a terrible thing. People with political strength have never necessarily been the best representatives of who they represent. Being a good politician is about what you do once you're elected.

There is a shocking lack of accountability for the actions of our politicians, left and right. Most people on this thread probably have no idea what burnham has ever done as a politician, but are content to laud him as a good one.

 


If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 06 May 17 12.08am

Originally posted by laddo

The harsh reality is that currently living standards are dropping, the NHS is on its knees, schools are massively struggling, we have a PM who says people use food banks for 'a number of complicated reasons' (yeah good one) and child poverty is rising. Yet, here we are on the brink of giving the tories a landslide victory. We are quick to laugh at the USA voting for Trump but from where I'm looking, it seems the UK is just as bad at making bizarre decisions at the polling stations. Not saying a Labour win would be great, but certainly a Tory landslide is bad news for the majority of hard working families in this country who quite frankly, the likes of Ian Duncan Smith and Philip Hammond treat with contempt.

 

matt_himself Flag Matataland 06 May 17 6.50am

So, the result is that the Tories have swept up Labour and UKIP votes, are now the second party in Scotland and the Lib Dems are not receiving the 'Bremoaner' benefit of sweeping up the votes of the so-called 48%.

This is great and allows the job of executing a clean Brexit easier for Mrs May, as long as she pursues a clean Brexit and not a half arsed and impossible 'soft Brexit', so beloved of elder statesmen like Tony Blair and Nick Clegg.

As an aside, it's very interesting to note that the reaction to the election result from Brussels was for Jean-Clause Druncker to use petty jibes, saying that English was no longer the language of the EU. They are nervous because the country is galvanising behind a common purpose.

Let's get the GE out of the way, detach ourselves from the Socialist Republic of Greater Germany and reengage with the World.

 


"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 06 May 17 8.59am

Originally posted by nickgusset

And is held in high esteem by them now.

Funny how a city where the currant bun is frowned upon is staunch labour.

Tenuous at best, if Labour ever lost Liverpool then they would be extinct as a party.

 


the dignified don't even enter in the game

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 06 May 17 9.01am

Originally posted by matt_himself

So, the result is that the Tories have swept up Labour and UKIP votes, are now the second party in Scotland and the Lib Dems are not receiving the 'Bremoaner' benefit of sweeping up the votes of the so-called 48%.

This is great and allows the job of executing a clean Brexit easier for Mrs May, as long as she pursues a clean Brexit and not a half arsed and impossible 'soft Brexit', so beloved of elder statesmen like Tony Blair and Nick Clegg.

As an aside, it's very interesting to note that the reaction to the election result from Brussels was for Jean-Clause Druncker to use petty jibes, saying that English was no longer the language of the EU. They are nervous because the country is galvanising behind a common purpose.

Let's get the GE out of the way, detach ourselves from the Socialist Republic of Greater Germany and reengage with the World.

I wholly concur with these sentiments.

 

matt_himself Flag Matataland 06 May 17 9.07am

Jonathan Freedland is pretty cutting about Jezza and McLoony:

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Love the line "what radical programme have these great revolutionaries pledged to the nation? Four extra bank holidays".

 


"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 06 May 17 9.13am

Originally posted by matt_himself

Jonathan Freedland is pretty cutting about Jezza and McLoony:

[Link]

Love the line "what radical programme have these great revolutionaries pledged to the nation? Four extra bank holidays".

 

hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 06 May 17 9.16am

Originally posted by serial thriller

No. To me it's incredible that people think that the main political aim of someone involved in politics is getting elected. Power is often a terrible thing. People with political strength have never necessarily been the best representatives of who they represent. Being a good politician is about what you do once you're elected.

There is a shocking lack of accountability for the actions of our politicians, left and right. Most people on this thread probably have no idea what burnham has ever done as a politician, but are content to laud him as a good one.

So what is Labour's purpose and future then? Like the Liberal Party after World War I? A few MPs pandering to minority extremist views? A perpetual protest group using extra-parliamentary means? Our politicians are accountable to Parliament and ultimately, the electorate. I agree that this accountability has been diluted by the existence of regional 'parliaments' and the non-democratic EU - but at least we are freeing ourselves from the latter.

Edited by hedgehog50 (06 May 2017 9.18am)

 


We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 06 May 17 9.23am

Originally posted by hedgehog50

So what is Labour's purpose and future then? Like the Liberal Party after World War I? A few MPs pandering to minority extremist views? A perpetual protest group using extra-parliamentary means? Our politicians are accountable to Parliament and ultimately, the electorate. I agree that this accountability has been diluted by the existence of regional 'parliaments' and the non-democratic EU - but at least we are freeing ourselves from the latter.

Edited by hedgehog50 (06 May 2017 9.18am)

All the current left-wing comrades at the top will need to be replaced with moderates and then maybe Labour will be able to make some progress.

Traditional Labour supporters (Not the hard-left) must be in total despair regarding the sorry state of the party they once supported with gusto.There are times when the Conservative party haven't been in the 'Best of health' but my goodness we didn't sink to such depths.

 

Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 06 May 17 9.26am

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

Tenuous at best, if Labour ever lost Liverpool then they would be extinct as a party.

Maybe it is because the Tory working class media machine and the Sun's successful influence at all elections doesn't get a look in on Merseyside. Some people think about politics for 4 minutes a week and never watch or listen to any politicians talk on TV. They cannot be influenced by the Sun front page then.

 


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Mr_Gristle Flag In the land of Whelk Eaters 06 May 17 9.59am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Maybe it is because the Tory working class media machine and the Sun's successful influence at all elections doesn't get a look in on Merseyside. Some people think about politics for 4 minutes a week and never watch or listen to any politicians talk on TV. They cannot be influenced by the Sun front page then.

That's where Lord Rothermere and the now-ubiquitous Metro rag come in. Get 'em on the way to work.

Oh you're talking about Liverpool.......

 


Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)

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