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Hrolf The Ganger 07 Jun 16 9.46am
Originally posted by Kermit8 Yes indeed. History tells us the lower paid and average career joes do really well in a recession. No job losses that kind of thing. Vote Brexit for recession! And help the man in the street. Scaremongering nonsense. No one knows what will happen.

Hrolf The Ganger

07 Jun 16 9.46am

Originally posted by Kermit8

Yes indeed. History tells us the lower paid and average career joes do really well in a recession. No job losses that kind of thing.

Vote Brexit for recession! And help the man in the street.

Scaremongering nonsense.

No one knows what will happen.

Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 07 Jun 16 9.48am
Originally posted by nickgusset OK so Boris is allowed to change his mind but Corbyn isn't. Boris is allowed to use quasi racist phrases such as 'piccannini's with water melon smiles' in a speech and then later be mooted as a potential party leader, yet an anti semite smear campaign against Labour is allowed to gain traction. Double standards me thinks. Personally I think Corbyn is allowed to change his mind. I've changed mine god knows how many times over the last few months. My issue with Corbyn is I am not sure whether he has REALLY changed his mind. Up until the leadership election his position had always been perfectly clear, now even supporting remain it feels like he is a reluctant figurehead. As for Boris and piccanninies it is totally unacceptable and a clearly racist term the dignified don't even enter in the game

Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 07 Jun 16 9.48am

Originally posted by nickgusset

OK so Boris is allowed to change his mind but Corbyn isn't.

Boris is allowed to use quasi racist phrases such as 'piccannini's with water melon smiles' in a speech and then later be mooted as a potential party leader, yet an anti semite smear campaign against Labour is allowed to gain traction.

Double standards me thinks.

Personally I think Corbyn is allowed to change his mind. I've changed mine god knows how many times over the last few months. My issue with Corbyn is I am not sure whether he has REALLY changed his mind. Up until the leadership election his position had always been perfectly clear, now even supporting remain it feels like he is a reluctant figurehead.

As for Boris and piccanninies it is totally unacceptable and a clearly racist term

the dignified don't even enter in the game

jamiemartin721 Reading 07 Jun 16 9.50am
Originally posted by DivingIsNotGood Murderers, rapists and violent offenders from across Europe have been able to remain in Britain after their crimes, the Justice Minister will say on Tuesday as he reveals a dossier of 50 offenders who have used EU rules to avoid deportation. [Link] I think it depends on what you mean by EU rules and deporting. I quite agree that the freedom of movement needs to 'go' and be replaced by a regulated and controlled form of immigration. However, if you mean under Human Rights legislation, that was introduced by the UK into UK law. There are also EU regulations regarding where you can deport people. Another case could be UK law on deportation being dressed up as EU laws, because that is how an appeal would be heard. For example, you can't deport someone to a country from which you granted them asylum. Whilst the appeal would be through human rights and the EU Court of human rights, the actual issue, is based in UK law - Which is that you've established their asylum status as someone who would be in unjust danger or persecution in that country. Legally, it would be contradictory to then deport them in that scenario. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 07 Jun 16 9.50am

Originally posted by DivingIsNotGood

Murderers, rapists and violent offenders from across Europe have been able to remain in Britain after their crimes, the Justice Minister will say on Tuesday as he reveals a dossier of 50 offenders who have used EU rules to avoid deportation.

[Link]

I think it depends on what you mean by EU rules and deporting. I quite agree that the freedom of movement needs to 'go' and be replaced by a regulated and controlled form of immigration.

However, if you mean under Human Rights legislation, that was introduced by the UK into UK law. There are also EU regulations regarding where you can deport people.

Another case could be UK law on deportation being dressed up as EU laws, because that is how an appeal would be heard. For example, you can't deport someone to a country from which you granted them asylum. Whilst the appeal would be through human rights and the EU Court of human rights, the actual issue, is based in UK law - Which is that you've established their asylum status as someone who would be in unjust danger or persecution in that country.

Legally, it would be contradictory to then deport them in that scenario.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

We are goin up! Coulsdon 07 Jun 16 9.52am
Originally posted by mezzer Plus if we leave, Sterling will weaken, which will mean a further influx of overseas buyers in the market keeping prices at the very least where they are now. The property argument is probably the worst bit of scaremongering by the world champion scaremongerers. Agreed. Funnily enough, a load of my mates (aged 23-27) weren't going to vote in this election, but now they've heard it might help them buy a house more easily, they're going to vote leave. Nice one George, you fcking idiot. The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

We are goin up!

Coulsdon 07 Jun 16 9.52am

Originally posted by mezzer

Plus if we leave, Sterling will weaken, which will mean a further influx of overseas buyers in the market keeping prices at the very least where they are now.

The property argument is probably the worst bit of scaremongering by the world champion scaremongerers.

Agreed. Funnily enough, a load of my mates (aged 23-27) weren't going to vote in this election, but now they've heard it might help them buy a house more easily, they're going to vote leave.

Nice one George, you fcking idiot.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

matt_himself Matataland 07 Jun 16 9.53am
Originally posted by nickgusset Level 2 - ad hominen! It's pertinent to this discussion. Did you read the transcript of the anti semitism hearing that I posted on the thread? What are your thoughts?(please post on the Labour anti - semite thread though as I fear it will detract from the subject of this one) Edited by nickgusset (07 Jun 2016 9.47am) I am allowed to mention matters when they are valid and in the context of posts made. It's funny that you are doing all of this 'Level 2' nonsense, directed at me and only me. DEFLECTION springs to mind whenever I see it. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 07 Jun 16 9.53am

Originally posted by nickgusset

Level 2 - ad hominen!
It's pertinent to this discussion.
Did you read the transcript of the anti semitism hearing that I posted on the thread? What are your thoughts?(please post on the Labour anti - semite thread though as I fear it will detract from the subject of this one)

Edited by nickgusset (07 Jun 2016 9.47am)

I am allowed to mention matters when they are valid and in the context of posts made.

It's funny that you are doing all of this 'Level 2' nonsense, directed at me and only me. DEFLECTION springs to mind whenever I see it.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

DanH SW2 07 Jun 16 9.54am
Majority of new voter registrations have been under 34. Probably not a good sign for the Leavers.

DanH

SW2 07 Jun 16 9.54am

Majority of new voter registrations have been under 34. Probably not a good sign for the Leavers.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 07 Jun 16 9.54am
Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch Personally I think Corbyn is allowed to change his mind. I've changed mine god knows how many times over the last few months. My issue with Corbyn is I am not sure whether he has REALLY changed his mind. Up until the leadership election his position had always been perfectly clear, now even supporting remain it feels like he is a reluctant figurehead. As for Boris and piccanninies it is totally unacceptable and a clearly racist term He probably is a reluctant figurehead. But he is following what the majority of his party want so as leader he is democratically representing his party. If only more MP's had the balls to follow the wishes of their constituency rather than what the whip says. As for Boris. It seems no matter what he does he somehow gets away with it.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 07 Jun 16 9.54am

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

As for Boris and piccanninies it is totally unacceptable and a clearly racist term

He probably is a reluctant figurehead. But he is following what the majority of his party want so as leader he is democratically representing his party. If only more MP's had the balls to follow the wishes of their constituency rather than what the whip says.

As for Boris. It seems no matter what he does he somehow gets away with it.

jamiemartin721 Reading 07 Jun 16 9.54am
Originally posted by Ouzo Dan Seems weird all the lefties for years crying about big business, banks etc.... yet want to remain in a European Union that is set up entirely to pander to the things they hate. I mean your great leader Russell Brand has been talking about revolutions and all that, You finally get what you've all wanted & you all s*** your pants and decide to keep the status quo. Strange bunch.. I'm in the out camp, and I'd say I'm pretty left wing. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 07 Jun 16 9.54am

Originally posted by Ouzo Dan

Seems weird all the lefties for years crying about big business, banks etc.... yet want to remain in a European Union that is set up entirely to pander to the things they hate.

I mean your great leader Russell Brand has been talking about revolutions and all that, You finally get what you've all wanted & you all s*** your pants and decide to keep the status quo.

Strange bunch..

I'm in the out camp, and I'd say I'm pretty left wing.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

jamiemartin721 Reading 07 Jun 16 9.56am
Originally posted by DivingIsNotGood google Has Jihadi Junior been smuggled 2,000 miles to SWEDEN for an operation? Reports claim four-year-old was moved from Syria after bungling ISIS doctors failed to treat his illness And you have a problem with a four year old kid being saved? I'm quite happy with that. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 07 Jun 16 9.56am

Originally posted by DivingIsNotGood

google

Has Jihadi Junior been smuggled 2,000 miles to SWEDEN for an operation? Reports claim four-year-old was moved from Syria after bungling ISIS doctors failed to treat his illness

And you have a problem with a four year old kid being saved? I'm quite happy with that.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 07 Jun 16 9.57am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Scaremongering nonsense. No one knows what will happen. When you take what Kermit said out of context it is. But it was actually in response to something along the lines that those at the top (high earners) will suffer the most and is historically accurate.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 07 Jun 16 9.57am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Scaremongering nonsense.

No one knows what will happen.

When you take what Kermit said out of context it is. But it was actually in response to something along the lines that those at the top (high earners) will suffer the most and is historically accurate.

We are goin up! Coulsdon 07 Jun 16 10.06am
Originally posted by DanH Majority of new voter registrations have been under 34. Probably not a good sign for the Leavers. You would expect that, though, surely? The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

We are goin up!

Coulsdon 07 Jun 16 10.06am

Originally posted by DanH

Majority of new voter registrations have been under 34. Probably not a good sign for the Leavers.

You would expect that, though, surely?

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

Hrolf The Ganger 07 Jun 16 10.11am
Originally posted by nickgusset When you take what Kermit said out of context it is. But it was actually in response to something along the lines that those at the top (high earners) will suffer the most and is historically accurate. I assumed it was sarcasm. This is comrade kermit after all. That would of course explain why we keep hearing how terrible it will be if we leave from certain institutions. Not that we need to it explaining. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (07 Jun 2016 10.12am)

Hrolf The Ganger

07 Jun 16 10.11am

Originally posted by nickgusset

I assumed it was sarcasm. This is comrade kermit after all.

That would of course explain why we keep hearing how terrible it will be if we leave from certain institutions. Not that we need to it explaining.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (07 Jun 2016 10.12am)

jamiemartin721 Reading 07 Jun 16 10.15am
The remain do have a point, albeit a relatively meaningless one, that an exit will have an impact on the UK economy in the short term, as its almost certainly will cause a slump in the Pound and UK share trading - Largely because we've effectively tied our economy to the worlds largest 'fraidy cat' that shts its pants when the wind changes direction. Of course that is no reason to remain. The reality is that any significant change, will result in pant s*ting by the worlds market investors and traders. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 07 Jun 16 10.15am

The remain do have a point, albeit a relatively meaningless one, that an exit will have an impact on the UK economy in the short term, as its almost certainly will cause a slump in the Pound and UK share trading - Largely because we've effectively tied our economy to the worlds largest 'fraidy cat' that sh*ts its pants when the wind changes direction.

Of course that is no reason to remain. The reality is that any significant change, will result in pant s**ting by the worlds market investors and traders.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 07 Jun 16 10.23am
Originally posted by nickgusset He probably is a reluctant figurehead. But he is following what the majority of his party want so as leader he is democratically representing his party. If only more MP's had the balls to follow the wishes of their constituency rather than what the whip says. As for Boris. It seems no matter what he does he somehow gets away with it. Posh buffoon = mildly amusing Up until six months ago I would have said that someone like Boris would never be PM because he would come under too much scrutiny and the gaffes would highlight what he is really like. I also would have said Trump would have disappeared by now. the dignified don't even enter in the game

Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 07 Jun 16 10.23am

Originally posted by nickgusset

As for Boris. It seems no matter what he does he somehow gets away with it.

Posh buffoon = mildly amusing

Up until six months ago I would have said that someone like Boris would never be PM because he would come under too much scrutiny and the gaffes would highlight what he is really like. I also would have said Trump would have disappeared by now.

the dignified don't even enter in the game

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 07 Jun 16 10.26am
Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch Posh buffoon = mildly amusing Up until six months ago I would have said that someone like Boris would never be PM because he would come under too much scrutiny and the gaffes would highlight what he is really like. I also would have said Trump would have disappeared by now. Of course he won't come under scrutiny. Newspaper magnates with their offshore accounts who don't even live here are s*** scared that Corbyn will challenge their land of milk and honey.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 07 Jun 16 10.26am

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

Posh buffoon = mildly amusing

Of course he won't come under scrutiny. Newspaper magnates with their offshore accounts who don't even live here are s*** scared that Corbyn will challenge their land of milk and honey.

Hrolf The Ganger 07 Jun 16 10.26am
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 The remain do have a point, albeit a relatively meaningless one, that an exit will have an impact on the UK economy in the short term, as its almost certainly will cause a slump in the Pound and UK share trading - Largely because we've effectively tied our economy to the worlds largest 'fraidy cat' that shts its pants when the wind changes direction. Of course that is no reason to remain. The reality is that any significant change, will result in pant s*ting by the worlds market investors and traders. Of course. But as you say, that is not a good reason to remain.

Hrolf The Ganger

07 Jun 16 10.26am

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Of course that is no reason to remain. The reality is that any significant change, will result in pant s**ting by the worlds market investors and traders.

Of course. But as you say, that is not a good reason to remain.

-TUX- Alphabettispaghetti 07 Jun 16 10.40am
Originally posted by We are goin up! Agreed. Funnily enough, a load of my mates (aged 23-27) weren't going to vote in this election, but now they've heard it might help them buy a house more easily, they're going to vote leave. Nice one George, you fcking idiot. So you'd rather they pay (Edit: extortionate) rent for the rest of their lives? Edited by -TUX- (07 Jun 2016 11.00am) Time to move forward together.

-TUX-

Alphabettispaghetti 07 Jun 16 10.40am

Originally posted by We are goin up!

Agreed. Funnily enough, a load of my mates (aged 23-27) weren't going to vote in this election, but now they've heard it might help them buy a house more easily, they're going to vote leave.

Nice one George, you fcking idiot.

So you'd rather they pay (Edit: extortionate) rent for the rest of their lives?

Edited by -TUX- (07 Jun 2016 11.00am)

Time to move forward together.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 07 Jun 16 10.46am
Originally posted by -TUX- So you'd rather they rent for the rest of their lives? Is it me, or is home ownership a particularly British thing when compared to the continent.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 07 Jun 16 10.46am

Originally posted by -TUX-

So you'd rather they rent for the rest of their lives?

Is it me, or is home ownership a particularly British thing when compared to the continent.

We are goin up! Coulsdon 07 Jun 16 11.09am
Originally posted by -TUX- So you'd rather they pay (Edit: extortionate) rent for the rest of their lives? Edited by -TUX- (07 Jun 2016 11.00am) Not at all! I'm pro Brexit. Just saying George is a fcking idiot for saying that as a member of the Remain campaign. The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

We are goin up!

Coulsdon 07 Jun 16 11.09am

Originally posted by -TUX-

So you'd rather they pay (Edit: extortionate) rent for the rest of their lives?

Edited by -TUX- (07 Jun 2016 11.00am)

Not at all! I'm pro Brexit. Just saying George is a fcking idiot for saying that as a member of the Remain campaign.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

We are goin up! Coulsdon 07 Jun 16 11.10am
Originally posted by nickgusset Is it me, or is home ownership a particularly British thing when compared to the continent. It's not you, our view on property ownership is completely different. It fuels the economy though, we're obsessed with it as a country and it creates a whole heap of jobs, any government would be mad to try and kill it. The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

We are goin up!

Coulsdon 07 Jun 16 11.10am

Originally posted by nickgusset

Is it me, or is home ownership a particularly British thing when compared to the continent.

It's not you, our view on property ownership is completely different. It fuels the economy though, we're obsessed with it as a country and it creates a whole heap of jobs, any government would be mad to try and kill it.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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