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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 11 Dec 20 12.22am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Any mask is better than no mask when in the company of those you don't live with.

I have had to wear a mask a bit. Pretty difficult round here not to. It’s like zombie central. At least in my immediate area they aren’t all wearing them outside but not far away they are. I avoid Caterham valley, even if I need something there. It’s lost my trade. Awful experience.

Without a cloth I haven’t had to sneeze or cough all year. Perfectly possible for me doing a shop visit until this was compulsory. I let people pass and smiled. They got more room from me than the mask wearers. When in a mask I’m more likely to cough because of the restrictions on breathing etc.

It feels like fit people, and I mean physically fit with a high level of fitness and a lot of stamina are also being punished to wear one when, like I say, I don’t cough, splutter or any of that cr&p anywhere or near anyone. If you asked me on the spur of the moment to cycle over 50 miles I could. It’s a shame people didn’t look after their health more when they can or they wouldn’t be checking everyone else to check they’re wearing a silly flowery hanky over their face like they are.

 


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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 11 Dec 20 11.49am Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Lombardinho

I hear you.
Most of all I'm pleased you took some time to read the link.

What would be the point in ignoring it?

A question that could be levelled at people who ignore 'MSM' as well as those who ignore content from alternative sources.

It's always amused me that people who claim the 'MSM' to be entirely useless then spend their entire time only consuming information from one tiny, narrow minded source, then have the gall to claim others are being misled...

s*** journalism, bias, sensationalism and clickbait articles are not exclusive to the big boys. How do you think these people fund themselves? Views and clicks. Thinking that because you're 'going against' the grain' means that you are immune from being sold to and misdirected is a little naive. Certainly hypocritical.

I'm still yet to hear a better solution to the 'read as may sources of information as you can, those you agree with, those you disagree with, then make up your mind'.

It's impossible to be entirely objective but you can at least try.

 


Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 11 Dec 20 11.51am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Yeah crusading I am. Clearly that’s my one aim in life, to focus 100% on getting everyone ever to wear masks 24/7. Even pets. Get it on the guinea pig now! Have you no shame!

If you were actually able to be balanced and understand context and nuance rather than defaulting to a tribal and binary masks good / masks bad POV, you’d be able to answer your own question quite easily.

But to help you out, I’ll Summarise what I’ve already said as you seem to be unable to understand that things are more complex than bad vs good, all in vs not at all. Seems to be a common trait with some on here

• Single layer clothmasks are pointless.

• The average person does not need to wear medical grade masks, eg n95 models. These items are not designed for extended use, and will cause respiratory issues. Fabric masks, of the kind most people wear, will not.

the best types of mask are ones without valves, multilayered and ideally with replaceable filters, and anti bacterial properties. And even more importantly, bought from reputable sources. The ones used in F1, for example.

• And an additional bonus point - People don’t need to wear masks 24/7. Only in indoor areas with poor ventilation or high traffic
.
.
.
If you can tell me where the guidance says ‘you must wear a mask at all times, even when outdoors’ then fine. But having to put one on every now and then in high risk scenarios is hardly Liberty infringing now is it. Keep your knickers on, or you’ll end up having to wear them on your face. FFS

Edited by SW19 CPFC (10 Dec 2020 10.46pm)

Could you point me in the direction or provide examples of where to get one please? It’s easy to get this wrong. It’s a big business. People are getting ripped off everywhere.

 


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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 11 Dec 20 11.52am Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Wearing a mask is NOT, repeat NOT, done to protect YOU.

On this you are incorrect

Masks also protect you. They probably won't stop you catching COVID but they will stop you being hit suddenly by a high viral load. And for most of us that is potentially a game changer.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Online Flag Truro Cornwall 11 Dec 20 11.54am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

I have had to wear a mask a bit. Pretty difficult round here not to. It’s like zombie central. At least in my immediate area they aren’t all wearing them outside but not far away they are. I avoid Caterham valley, even if I need something there. It’s lost my trade. Awful experience.

Without a cloth I haven’t had to sneeze or cough all year. Perfectly possible for me doing a shop visit until this was compulsory. I let people pass and smiled. They got more room from me than the mask wearers. When in a mask I’m more likely to cough because of the restrictions on breathing etc.

It feels like fit people, and I mean physically fit with a high level of fitness and a lot of stamina are also being punished to wear one when, like I say, I don’t cough, splutter or any of that cr&p anywhere or near anyone. If you asked me on the spur of the moment to cycle over 50 miles I could. It’s a shame people didn’t look after their health more when they can or they wouldn’t be checking everyone else to check they’re wearing a silly flowery hanky over their face like they are.

I believe that you are fit and healthy, so well done for keeping yourself in shape. We all ought to do that. However, it doesn't actually affect the issue here. Nor does the fact that you don't anticipate coughing or sneezing close to people. None of expect or intend to do that. The fact is we are sometimes caught by surprise but more importantly it's the reassurance given to others that you cannot cough or sneeze over them that's important. If we ALL, (including you), feel confident then we can relax and life becomes more like normal. Remember it's not to protect you. It's to protect others and how they perceive you, if they don't know you, matters.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Online Flag Truro Cornwall 11 Dec 20 12.01pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

On this you are incorrect

Masks also protect you. They probably won't stop you catching COVID but they will stop you being hit suddenly by a high viral load. And for most of us that is potentially a game changer.

To a limited degree that's correct but the claims being made were ignoring their primary purpose which is to protect others.

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 11 Dec 20 12.08pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I believe that you are fit and healthy, so well done for keeping yourself in shape. We all ought to do that. However, it doesn't actually affect the issue here. Nor does the fact that you don't anticipate coughing or sneezing close to people. None of expect or intend to do that. The fact is we are sometimes caught by surprise but more importantly it's the reassurance given to others that you cannot cough or sneeze over them that's important. If we ALL, (including you), feel confident then we can relax and life becomes more like normal. Remember it's not to protect you. It's to protect others and how they perceive you, if they don't know you, matters.

I’ll concede on this. But once many are vaccinated then this’ll change for me. Sh1tty Whitty and all the freaks wanting masks long term can forget it. But what’s funny is when they weren’t compulsory I got plenty of smiles and thanks when I made plenty of room for older people especially to go by.

The influence of fear and brainwashing has been the biggest success of 2020. I can’t think of anything else apart from a vaccine that has loads of issues people assumed wouldn’t be. Even our HOL version of Owen Jones accused me of stupidity for questioning it. Within 1 hour it was becoming a public question they still can’t answer.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (11 Dec 2020 12.12pm)

 


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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 11 Dec 20 12.34pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Member of wife’s work team just tested positive. Wife has a cold so just had test at Gatwick. Seemed well organised and quite busy. We await the results

 

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 11 Dec 20 12.42pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Yeah crusading I am. Clearly that’s my one aim in life, to focus 100% on getting everyone ever to wear masks 24/7. Even pets. Get it on the guinea pig now! Have you no shame!

If you were actually able to be balanced and understand context and nuance rather than defaulting to a tribal and binary masks good / masks bad POV, you’d be able to answer your own question quite easily.

But to help you out, I’ll Summarise what I’ve already said as you seem to be unable to understand that things are more complex than bad vs good, all in vs not at all. Seems to be a common trait with some on here

• Single layer clothmasks are pointless.

• The average person does not need to wear medical grade masks, eg n95 models. These items are not designed for extended use, and will cause respiratory issues. Fabric masks, of the kind most people wear, will not.

• the best types of mask are ones without valves, multilayered and ideally with replaceable filters, and anti bacterial properties. And even more importantly, bought from reputable sources. The ones used in F1, for example.

• And an additional bonus point - People don’t need to wear masks 24/7. Only in indoor areas with poor ventilation or high traffic
.
.
.
If you can tell me where the guidance says ‘you must wear a mask at all times, even when outdoors’ then fine. But having to put one on every now and then in high risk scenarios is hardly Liberty infringing now is it. Keep your knickers on, or you’ll end up having to wear them on your face. FFS

Edited by SW19 CPFC (10 Dec 2020 10.46pm)

Spain. You have to wear a mask at all times indoors and outdoors unless you are eating drinking or driving in a car with a family member. It’s awful but it is the price I’m happy to pay for 23 degrees of sunshine most days throughout the winter.

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 11 Dec 20 12.53pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Spain. You have to wear a mask at all times indoors and outdoors unless you are eating drinking or driving in a car with a family member. It’s awful but it is the price I’m happy to pay for 23 degrees of sunshine most days throughout the winter.

Doesn’t it make your suntan look a bit weird?

 

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View Lombardinho's Profile Lombardinho Flag London 11 Dec 20 1.11pm Send a Private Message to Lombardinho Add Lombardinho as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

What would be the point in ignoring it?

A question that could be levelled at people who ignore 'MSM' as well as those who ignore content from alternative sources.

It's always amused me that people who claim the 'MSM' to be entirely useless then spend their entire time only consuming information from one tiny, narrow minded source, then have the gall to claim others are being misled...

s*** journalism, bias, sensationalism and clickbait articles are not exclusive to the big boys. How do you think these people fund themselves? Views and clicks. Thinking that because you're 'going against' the grain' means that you are immune from being sold to and misdirected is a little naive. Certainly hypocritical.

I'm still yet to hear a better solution to the 'read as may sources of information as you can, those you agree with, those you disagree with, then make up your mind'.

It's impossible to be entirely objective but you can at least try.


You're making an assumption that I'm not trying. Daily engagement with this thread shows I'm open to different viewpoints.

[Link]

I've posted the link again so anyone else can see it.
This particular doctor's website isn't monetised. He's doing a public service. To dismiss it as tiny and narrow-minded is unfair.
If you have an issue with any of his bullet points, contact him.
He openly says if any individual can prove him wrong, he'll pay them £100,000.00

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 11 Dec 20 1.26pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Member of wife’s work team just tested positive. Wife has a cold so just had test at Gatwick. Seemed well organised and quite busy. We await the results

Good luck with the results.

 

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