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legaleagle  23 May 14 10.20am |
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The Sash makes a fair point. But, Farage (though positioning himself as an establishment outsider) strikes me as a politician as just another chip off the same old block, cleverly hoovering up disaffected vote. Just like consummate modern day presidential candidates in the USA like to try and position themselves as outsiders from the Washington DC establishment...
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 Forest Hillbilly  in a hidey-hole 23 May 14 11.09am |
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Quote SloveniaDave at 22 May 2014 11.15pm
Quote bexleydave at 22 May 2014 10.34pm
10,000 European Union officials better paid than David Cameron: Good value in Gusset-world
I'll get me tiisues
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| Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 23 May 14 11.10am |
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Oh, shlt, me grammer and spilling was pi$$ poor on that last post. spnk jam in the kybored
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The Sash  Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 23 May 14 11.28am |
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Quote legaleagle at 23 May 2014 10.20am
The Sash makes a fair point. But, Farage (though positioning himself as an establishment outsider) strikes me as a politician as just another chip off the same old block, cleverly hoovering up disaffected vote. Just like consummate modern day presidential candidates in the USA like to try and position themselves as outsiders from the Washington DC establishment... Totally agree Obama for example campaigned on 'Change'...when he is the same corporate puppet in the same hock to big business and the miltary of all those who gone before him - his only angle was that he was Black and therefore different - Farages angle is that he isnt a 'politician' - of course he is...
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Kermit8  Hevon 23 May 14 1.08pm |
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Quote The Sash at 23 May 2014 11.28am
Quote legaleagle at 23 May 2014 10.20am
The Sash makes a fair point. But, Farage (though positioning himself as an establishment outsider) strikes me as a politician as just another chip off the same old block, cleverly hoovering up disaffected vote. Just like consummate modern day presidential candidates in the USA like to try and position themselves as outsiders from the Washington DC establishment... Totally agree Obama for example campaigned on 'Change'...when he is the same corporate puppet in the same hock to big business and the miltary of all those who gone before him - his only angle was that he was Black and therefore different - Farages angle is that he isnt a 'politician' - of course he is...
The rest is spot on. Corporate playthings indeed. Farage is the same as the rest. 0r will be the more power he gets. He is the establishment. He's not going to upset too many apple carts. Surprised so many have allowed themselves to believe otherwise.
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| luckybuck 23 May 14 2.26pm |
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Quote Kermit8 at 23 May 2014 1.08pm
Quote The Sash at 23 May 2014 11.28am
Quote legaleagle at 23 May 2014 10.20am
The Sash makes a fair point. But, Farage (though positioning himself as an establishment outsider) strikes me as a politician as just another chip off the same old block, cleverly hoovering up disaffected vote. Just like consummate modern day presidential candidates in the USA like to try and position themselves as outsiders from the Washington DC establishment... Totally agree Obama for example campaigned on 'Change'...when he is the same corporate puppet in the same hock to big business and the miltary of all those who gone before him - his only angle was that he was Black and therefore different - Farages angle is that he isnt a 'politician' - of course he is...
They're getting carried away. What will it really amount to though? Reality awaits.
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| westquay 58 miles from se25 23 May 14 3.06pm |
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Personally If I could I would have voted for Bob crows (RIP)party regarding europe.
"Numb,gutted and shocked . Three words that sum up how I feel." |
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taylors lovechild  23 May 14 3.39pm |
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Like most of the people I speak with, I could not profess to having a full understanding of the EU and so rely on what I read and my own intuition. The only article I have read for either side which seemed reasonable and not smothered in emotive statements was this one in the Independent: [Link] This thread is basically a muck slinging one in which neither side is likely to find enlightenment and I'm sure none of us suddenly switched sides. I think most people can agree that the political landscape is pretty bleak at the moment but what we disagree on is what UKIP represent. I think for some, including me, we are concerned at what UKIP potentially represent, which is wealthy bigots using people like Farrage to get them access to Parliament and allow them to introduce policy which would allow them to protect their vested interests. As with all right wing parties they attack minorities as the source of all evil and use the working classes rather than help them. The ideology (if it can be called one) is that if you make the wealthy richer then they'll drag everyone else up with them. The chasm between the wealthy and rest is only increasing and shows this to be a falsehood. On the other side, the major parties offer nothing. They lack character and ideas and I feel that many voters only stay with them due to either fear of parties such as UKIP, or just because they don't see a real alternative. I voted Green. I don't agree with all their policies, but they are as close to appealing to my sensibilities of any of the parties.
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| Stirlingsays 23 May 14 3.58pm |
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Quote westquay at 23 May 2014 3.06pm
Personally If I could I would have voted for Bob crows (RIP)party regarding europe.
A government should have a contract between itself and its citizens. They should come first, not be equal to immigrants......This has been lost with all the main parties. If you let poor immigrants in they need housing and they need jobs.....Building houses is damn expensive and social housing in this country for the vulnerable is already at desperate levels. God save us from egalitarians and their philosophy which would turn this country into a crowded nightmare with even less housing for the working classes and lower paid jobs for them as well due to increased competition. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 May 2014 4.00pm)
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 23 May 14 6.30pm |
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Only our media would say that UKIP 'won' the council elections. TUSC got a couple of seats which isn't bad considering they've only been going a couple of years.
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| matt_himself Matataland 23 May 14 7.06pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 23 May 2014 6.30pm
Only our media would say that UKIP 'won' the council elections. TUSC got a couple of seats which isn't bad considering they've only been going a couple of years.
UKIP won this by a large margin. You lost. Deal with it.
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| matt_himself Matataland 23 May 14 7.10pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 23 May 2014 6.30pm
Only our media would say that UKIP 'won' the council elections. TUSC got a couple of seats which isn't bad considering they've only been going a couple of years.
If so, ha ha ha.
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