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Quote Kermit8 at 13 Jan 2016 4.58pm
This is all rather pointless. It won't matter what he does he won't get anymore than 30%ish of the electoral vote so the next gov is a Tory shoe-in.
He will then resign.
Shame.
Who knows how things will work out.
Edited by matt_himself (13 Jan 2016 10.07pm)
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 13 Jan 16 10.18pm |
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Quote Kermit8 at 13 Jan 2016 4.58pm
This is all rather pointless. It won't matter what he does he won't get anymore than 30%ish of the electoral vote so the next gov is a Tory shoe-in.
He will then resign.
Shame.
Who knows how things will work out.
Edited by matt_himself (13 Jan 2016 10.07pm)
You seem to like changing your posts completely. I recall you professing that you loved me either on Friday or Saturday night, then removed it the next day. I presumed the ecstacy must have worn off.
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| matt_himself Matataland 13 Jan 16 10.29pm |
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Quote Kermit8 at 13 Jan 2016 4.58pm
This is all rather pointless. It won't matter what he does he won't get anymore than 30%ish of the electoral vote so the next gov is a Tory shoe-in.
He will then resign.
Shame.
Who knows how things will work out.
Edited by matt_himself (13 Jan 2016 10.07pm)
You seem to like changing your posts completely. I recall you professing that you loved me either on Friday or Saturday night, then removed it the next day. I presumed the ecstacy must have worn off.
I thought you weren't talking to me.
You have said it enough times.
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 13 Jan 16 10.30pm |
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Quote Kermit8 at 13 Jan 2016 4.58pm
This is all rather pointless. It won't matter what he does he won't get anymore than 30%ish of the electoral vote so the next gov is a Tory shoe-in.
He will then resign.
Shame.
Who knows how things will work out.
Edited by matt_himself (13 Jan 2016 10.07pm)
You seem to like changing your posts completely. I recall you professing that you loved me either on Friday or Saturday night, then removed it the next day. I presumed the ecstacy must have worn off.
I thought you weren't talking to me.
You have said it enough times.
I'm not. I'm typing.
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| matt_himself Matataland 13 Jan 16 10.33pm |
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Quote Kermit8 at 13 Jan 2016 4.58pm
This is all rather pointless. It won't matter what he does he won't get anymore than 30%ish of the electoral vote so the next gov is a Tory shoe-in.
He will then resign.
Shame.
Who knows how things will work out.
Edited by matt_himself (13 Jan 2016 10.07pm)
You seem to like changing your posts completely. I recall you professing that you loved me either on Friday or Saturday night, then removed it the next day. I presumed the ecstacy must have worn off.
I thought you weren't talking to me.
You have said it enough times.
I'm not. I'm typing.
Ha flipping ha.
Either you engage with me or you don't.
What is it?
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 13 Jan 16 10.35pm |
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Quote Kermit8 at 13 Jan 2016 4.58pm
This is all rather pointless. It won't matter what he does he won't get anymore than 30%ish of the electoral vote so the next gov is a Tory shoe-in.
He will then resign.
Shame.
Who knows how things will work out.
Edited by matt_himself (13 Jan 2016 10.07pm)
You seem to like changing your posts completely. I recall you professing that you loved me either on Friday or Saturday night, then removed it the next day. I presumed the ecstacy must have worn off.
I thought you weren't talking to me.
You have said it enough times.
I'm not. I'm typing.
Ha flipping ha.
Either you engage with me or you don't.
What is it?
Depends on what side of the bed I get out of and if you play nicely.
Now, do you love me or not? I haven't been able to sleep since. My stomach has all butterflies in it innit.
Edited by nickgusset (13 Jan 2016 10.36pm)
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| matt_himself Matataland 13 Jan 16 10.41pm |
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Quote Kermit8 at 13 Jan 2016 4.58pm
This is all rather pointless. It won't matter what he does he won't get anymore than 30%ish of the electoral vote so the next gov is a Tory shoe-in.
He will then resign.
Shame.
Who knows how things will work out.
Edited by matt_himself (13 Jan 2016 10.07pm)
You seem to like changing your posts completely. I recall you professing that you loved me either on Friday or Saturday night, then removed it the next day. I presumed the ecstacy must have worn off.
I thought you weren't talking to me.
You have said it enough times.
I'm not. I'm typing.
Ha flipping ha.
Either you engage with me or you don't.
What is it?
Depends on what side of the bed I get out of and if you play nicely.
Now, do you love me or not? I haven't been able to sleep since. My stomach has all butterflies in it innit.
Edited by nickgusset (13 Jan 2016 10.36pm)
I am not the one with the problem.
I have been consistent.
The fact is that you have the problem of either trying to be the debate in or crying out, depending on whether you think you have your way or not.
I have no lack of confidence in my ability to vocalise my position but I believe you do, therefore, I don't think we can rely on you, despite your bragging.
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 13 Jan 16 10.43pm |
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Quote Kermit8 at 13 Jan 2016 4.58pm
This is all rather pointless. It won't matter what he does he won't get anymore than 30%ish of the electoral vote so the next gov is a Tory shoe-in.
He will then resign.
Shame.
Who knows how things will work out.
Edited by matt_himself (13 Jan 2016 10.07pm)
You seem to like changing your posts completely. I recall you professing that you loved me either on Friday or Saturday night, then removed it the next day. I presumed the ecstacy must have worn off.
I thought you weren't talking to me.
You have said it enough times.
I'm not. I'm typing.
Ha flipping ha.
Either you engage with me or you don't.
What is it?
Depends on what side of the bed I get out of and if you play nicely.
Now, do you love me or not? I haven't been able to sleep since. My stomach has all butterflies in it innit.
Edited by nickgusset (13 Jan 2016 10.36pm)
I am not the one with the problem.
I have been consistent.
The fact is that you have the problem of either trying to be the debate in or crying out, depending on whether you think you have your way or not.
I have no lack of confidence in my ability to vocalise my position but I believe you do, therefore, I don't think we can rely on you, despite your bragging.
That much is true 
Night night.
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| matt_himself Matataland 13 Jan 16 10.47pm |
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Quote Kermit8 at 13 Jan 2016 4.58pm
This is all rather pointless. It won't matter what he does he won't get anymore than 30%ish of the electoral vote so the next gov is a Tory shoe-in.
He will then resign.
Shame.
Who knows how things will work out.
Edited by matt_himself (13 Jan 2016 10.07pm)
You seem to like changing your posts completely. I recall you professing that you loved me either on Friday or Saturday night, then removed it the next day. I presumed the ecstacy must have worn off.
I thought you weren't talking to me.
You have said it enough times.
I'm not. I'm typing.
Ha flipping ha.
Either you engage with me or you don't.
What is it?
Depends on what side of the bed I get out of and if you play nicely.
Now, do you love me or not? I haven't been able to sleep since. My stomach has all butterflies in it innit.
Edited by nickgusset (13 Jan 2016 10.36pm)
I am not the one with the problem.
I have been consistent.
The fact is that you have the problem of either trying to be the debate in or crying out, depending on whether you think you have your way or not.
I have no lack of confidence in my ability to vocalise my position but I believe you do, therefore, I don't think we can rely on you, despite your bragging.
That much is true
Night night. [/quote
I pity you.
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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This is all rather pointless. It won't matter what he does he won't get anymore than 30%ish of the electoral vote so the next gov is a Tory shoe-in.
He will then resign.
Shame.
Who knows how things will work out.
Edited by matt_himself (13 Jan 2016 10.07pm)
You seem to like changing your posts completely. I recall you professing that you loved me either on Friday or Saturday night, then removed it the next day. I presumed the ecstacy must have worn off.
I thought you weren't talking to me.
You have said it enough times.
I'm not. I'm typing.
Ha flipping ha.
Either you engage with me or you don't.
What is it?
Depends on what side of the bed I get out of and if you play nicely.
Now, do you love me or not? I haven't been able to sleep since. My stomach has all butterflies in it innit.
Edited by nickgusset (13 Jan 2016 10.36pm)
I am not the one with the problem.
I have been consistent.
The fact is that you have the problem of either trying to be the debate in or crying out, depending on whether you think you have your way or not.
I have no lack of confidence in my ability to vocalise my position but I believe you do, therefore, I don't think we can rely on you, despite your bragging.
That much is true
Night night. [/quote
I pity you.
Love, pity. Do you have any other abstract nouns for us?
Don't worry about me. I'm fine. But thanks for the concern.
Back to Corbyn, this bloke from your beloved spectator seems to hit the right notes here.
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Quote We are goin up! at 13 Jan 2016 4.53pm
"Learning on the job". He's had how long as an MP? You'd have thought at some point in that time he'd have given some thought about what his vision would be and how he'd run his party. Or maybe he's only fit for a debating society...
This is what makes politics such a farce, the idea that its acceptable for MPs and Politicians to project their vision of how to run society / the party etc rather than representing the best interests of society and the people.
Governments should respond based on available facts, research and data and then sell that to the public. Too often UK politics is about pandering to popularism whilst pursuing their own 'ego agenda'.
"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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White Horse has summed up Corbyn's position as good as I have ever seen or heard.
He is/was as staunch a Labour supporter as I've encountered (or so it seems) and even he's writing off Corbyn's chances in the 2020 election.
The future doesn't look bright for Labour whilst Corbyn remains the leader.
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 14 Jan 2016 11.27am
Quote We are goin up! at 13 Jan 2016 4.53pm
"Learning on the job". He's had how long as an MP? You'd have thought at some point in that time he'd have given some thought about what his vision would be and how he'd run his party. Or maybe he's only fit for a debating society...
This is what makes politics such a farce, the idea that its acceptable for MPs and Politicians to project their vision of how to run society / the party etc rather than representing the best interests of society and the people.
Governments should respond based on available facts, research and data and then sell that to the public. Too often UK politics is about pandering to popularism whilst pursuing their own 'ego agenda'.
How is that a farce? The electorate decides which party most represents the best interests of society and the people, it's called democracy. If the public don't like the vision being projected onto them, they can vote for somebody else.
The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.
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Quote We are goin up! at 14 Jan 2016 12.34pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 14 Jan 2016 11.27am
Quote We are goin up! at 13 Jan 2016 4.53pm
"Learning on the job". He's had how long as an MP? You'd have thought at some point in that time he'd have given some thought about what his vision would be and how he'd run his party. Or maybe he's only fit for a debating society...
This is what makes politics such a farce, the idea that its acceptable for MPs and Politicians to project their vision of how to run society / the party etc rather than representing the best interests of society and the people.
Governments should respond based on available facts, research and data and then sell that to the public. Too often UK politics is about pandering to popularism whilst pursuing their own 'ego agenda'.
How is that a farce? The electorate decides which party most represents the best interests of society and the people, it's called democracy. If the public don't like the vision being projected onto them, they can vote for somebody else.
Until Corbyn took over the reins of Labour, there wsasn't much difference between the main parties.
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Quote nickgusset at 14 Jan 2016 3.06pm
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 14 Jan 2016 11.27am
Quote We are goin up! at 13 Jan 2016 4.53pm
"Learning on the job". He's had how long as an MP? You'd have thought at some point in that time he'd have given some thought about what his vision would be and how he'd run his party. Or maybe he's only fit for a debating society...
This is what makes politics such a farce, the idea that its acceptable for MPs and Politicians to project their vision of how to run society / the party etc rather than representing the best interests of society and the people.
Governments should respond based on available facts, research and data and then sell that to the public. Too often UK politics is about pandering to popularism whilst pursuing their own 'ego agenda'.
How is that a farce? The electorate decides which party most represents the best interests of society and the people, it's called democracy. If the public don't like the vision being projected onto them, they can vote for somebody else.
Until Corbyn took over the reins of Labour, there wsasn't much difference between the main parties.
There probably still isn't - the chasm seems to be between the Labour membership and everyone else - including a lot of Labour MP's.
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Quote nickgusset at 14 Jan 2016 3.06pm
Quote We are goin up! at 14 Jan 2016 12.34pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 14 Jan 2016 11.27am
Quote We are goin up! at 13 Jan 2016 4.53pm
"Learning on the job". He's had how long as an MP? You'd have thought at some point in that time he'd have given some thought about what his vision would be and how he'd run his party. Or maybe he's only fit for a debating society...
This is what makes politics such a farce, the idea that its acceptable for MPs and Politicians to project their vision of how to run society / the party etc rather than representing the best interests of society and the people.
Governments should respond based on available facts, research and data and then sell that to the public. Too often UK politics is about pandering to popularism whilst pursuing their own 'ego agenda'.
How is that a farce? The electorate decides which party most represents the best interests of society and the people, it's called democracy. If the public don't like the vision being projected onto them, they can vote for somebody else.
Until Corbyn took over the reins of Labour, there wsasn't much difference between the main parties.
Can you blame them? Since the party who takes up the centre ground tends to be the one that wins elections? That is actually democracy at work, they're both trying to give what the majority of people want.
Unfortunately that doesn't sit too well with lefties like you, nor does it sit too great with free marketeers like me, but it does mean that we end up with a government that must try to appease both sides of the left vs right argument. I think it's a good thing.
The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 15 Jan 16 11.53am |
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Interesting article about a yougov poll that says corbyn supporters tend to be more lower income and working class than those who supported the other candidates. Rather goes against the grain of the cobblers that Corbyn supporters are 'champagne socialists'.
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Quote nickgusset at 15 Jan 2016 11.53am
Interesting article about a yougov poll that says corbyn supporters tend to be more lower income and working class than those who supported the other candidates. Rather goes against the grain of the cobblers that Corbyn supporters are 'champagne socialists'.
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He can't go around turning Labour into a working class organisation!
Roy Jenkins must be turning in his grave.
Yes, I am an agent of Satan but my duties are largely ceremonial
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Quote We are goin up! at 14 Jan 2016 12.34pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 14 Jan 2016 11.27am
Quote We are goin up! at 13 Jan 2016 4.53pm
"Learning on the job". He's had how long as an MP? You'd have thought at some point in that time he'd have given some thought about what his vision would be and how he'd run his party. Or maybe he's only fit for a debating society...
This is what makes politics such a farce, the idea that its acceptable for MPs and Politicians to project their vision of how to run society / the party etc rather than representing the best interests of society and the people.
Governments should respond based on available facts, research and data and then sell that to the public. Too often UK politics is about pandering to popularism whilst pursuing their own 'ego agenda'.
How is that a farce? The electorate decides which party most represents the best interests of society and the people, it's called democracy. If the public don't like the vision being projected onto them, they can vote for somebody else.
Because sometimes the best interests of society isn't popular. Take prison funding, for example, the UK government has continually sold the public a 'hard on crime' approach that has increasingly undermined the point of the prison system, inmates and staff. We now have a situation where prisons are underfunded, more people are being sent to prison, rehabilition has been undercut, with prisoners being released early automatically to make room for more offenders, a significant amount of which probably shouldn't be in prison (rehabilition would be better served in other ways that incarceration doesn't help).
Politicians pander to the media and population in situations where research and evidence suggests a better solution exist, but unfortunately aren't 'vote winners'.
"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 15 Jan 16 1.05pm |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 15 Jan 2016 12.40pm
Quote We are goin up! at 14 Jan 2016 12.34pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 14 Jan 2016 11.27am
Quote We are goin up! at 13 Jan 2016 4.53pm
"Learning on the job". He's had how long as an MP? You'd have thought at some point in that time he'd have given some thought about what his vision would be and how he'd run his party. Or maybe he's only fit for a debating society...
This is what makes politics such a farce, the idea that its acceptable for MPs and Politicians to project their vision of how to run society / the party etc rather than representing the best interests of society and the people.
Governments should respond based on available facts, research and data and then sell that to the public. Too often UK politics is about pandering to popularism whilst pursuing their own 'ego agenda'.
How is that a farce? The electorate decides which party most represents the best interests of society and the people, it's called democracy. If the public don't like the vision being projected onto them, they can vote for somebody else.
Because sometimes the best interests of society isn't popular. Take prison funding, for example, the UK government has continually sold the public a 'hard on crime' approach that has increasingly undermined the point of the prison system, inmates and staff. We now have a situation where prisons are underfunded, more people are being sent to prison, rehabilition has been undercut, with prisoners being released early automatically to make room for more offenders, a significant amount of which probably shouldn't be in prison (rehabilition would be better served in other ways that incarceration doesn't help).
Politicians pander to the media and population in situations where research and evidence suggests a better solution exist, but unfortunately aren't 'vote winners'.
Same with edumacation. Teachers have legitimate concerns, which I won't go into, that are backed up by academic research. This is ignored and teachers are vilified by the media because they say the government have got it wrong.
I'd hope that the backlash against media coverage of the jnr dr's could be a catalyst, but doubt it.
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