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nickgusset  Shizzlehurst 07 Jun 16 11.14am |
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Originally posted by We are goin up!
Thought so, that I think is why we won't ever have a revolution in this country, people have too much to lose. What is the White Horse's signature? something like 'The fox has his den, the badger his set and the human, a nice nest egg investment'
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| DivingIsNotGood se25 07 Jun 16 11.29am |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Hadn't heard of agenda 30 before. On the face of it it looks a good idealist project to provide sustainability and go towards ending disequilibrium in equality. All fine and dandy. Now whether it's a conspiracy theory i don't know, it does look worrying that the likes of Monsanto et al are in the wings behind it is very worrying, perhaps moreso than TTIP (which if I'm right has hit many stumbling blocks and now looks like it isn't going to happen anytime soon) I know you were concerned about TTIP long long ago and rightly so
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 07 Jun 16 11.53am |
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Originally posted by -TUX-
So you'd rather they pay (Edit: extortionate) rent for the rest of their lives? Edited by -TUX- (07 Jun 2016 11.00am) My concern is that the cost of rent and the cost of a mortgage are both eye wateringly high, compared to individuals income. I don't think it matters if you own a home, or pay rent, provided the costs are reasonable. The fact that people are paying between 50-75% of their income on accommodation is the problem. Somewhere to live is a human need, it has unfortunately become a tool of human greed, and the failure of success UK governments to regulate and control the Housing market and rental markets, along with the sell off of council property has created a f**king monster. There is also a huge knock on effect in terms of welfare, given that housing benefit, that's probably close to 800-1200 a month per family (maybe more in some areas). We pay around 6-8k per adult for every thing else in benefits, but around 12k per year per family for Housing benefits.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 07 Jun 16 11.56am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Of course. But as you say, that is not a good reason to remain. Indeed, what concerns me is all the talk is about rhetoric about staying or leaving, to suit their needs - without addressing what a labour or conservative or liberal or green or UKIP government would do if the vote went either way.
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 Lyons550 Shirley 07 Jun 16 12.04pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I'm voting BREXIT. One day the people of Europe might well be part of one nation or a federal Europe but the current situation is not acceptable. I'm sick of hearing spurious financial arguments from the Remains. There is not a shred of certainty to any claims that have been made. Good post...
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| Lyons550 Shirley 07 Jun 16 12.09pm |
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Originally posted by We are goin up!
It's a simplistic view of things..fair enough. But a vote out will see the economy suffer in the short term as it re positions itself to meet a new dawn...as such jobs will be lost banks will be a little edgier about who they loan to, meaning fewer able to purchase properties reducing demand and therefore pulling the market back down with it.
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| Lyons550 Shirley 07 Jun 16 12.12pm |
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Originally posted by mezzer
Plus if we leave, Sterling will weaken, which will mean a further influx of overseas buyers in the market keeping prices at the very least where they are now. The property argument is probably the worst bit of scaremongering by the world champion scaremongerers. I hope you're both right...
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| Hoof Hearted 07 Jun 16 12.13pm | |
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Originally posted by since1953
I listened to David Cameron's speech yesterday (I think it was at the Oval cricket ground) and he talked about staying in a "reformed" EU. It seems to me that when he tried to change something in our favour he returned home with his trousers around his ankles and a smacked bottom. Commonsense won't change their minds sadly....
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| Hoof Hearted 07 Jun 16 12.17pm | |
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
Personally I think Corbyn is allowed to change his mind. I've changed mine god knows how many times over the last few months. My issue with Corbyn is I am not sure whether he has REALLY changed his mind. Up until the leadership election his position had always been perfectly clear, now even supporting remain it feels like he is a reluctant figurehead. As for Boris and piccanninies it is totally unacceptable and a clearly racist term But he hasn't changed his mind about wanting to Nationalise the Railways and he knows this is expressly* forbidden by the EU, so why campaign to remain in? (* see what I did there!)
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| Hoof Hearted 07 Jun 16 12.20pm | |
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Originally posted by DanH
Majority of new voter registrations have been under 34. Probably not a good sign for the Leavers. They've still got to actually vote Dan.
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| Rubin 07 Jun 16 12.37pm |
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Did anyone watch Hilary Benn get completely destroyed by Andrew Neil on prime time television last night?
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 07 Jun 16 12.41pm |
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Originally posted by Rubin
Did anyone watch Hilary Benn get completely destroyed by Andrew Neil on prime time television last night? Yep. Saw him purse his lips at the end of sentences where he was under pressure and didn't really feel confident of his answers. Also, as I've said in another thread, Neill tore him to pieces over the EU forbidding nationalising of railways.
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| We are goin up! Coulsdon 07 Jun 16 12.55pm |
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Originally posted by since1953
I listened to David Cameron's speech yesterday (I think it was at the Oval cricket ground) and he talked about staying in a "reformed" EU. It seems to me that when he tried to change something in our favour he returned home with his trousers around his ankles and a smacked bottom.
A reformed EU is not on the ballot paper. It's leave and change or more of the same.
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Ouzo Dan  Behind you 07 Jun 16 2.26pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I'm in the out camp, and I'd say I'm pretty left wing. Duly noted good sir, I shall amend my comment.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 07 Jun 16 2.33pm |
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2 sides of the leave / remain argument both equally valid (That's why I can't make my mind up!):
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| npn Crowborough 07 Jun 16 2.50pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
2 sides of the leave / remain argument both equally valid (That's why I can't make my mind up!):
Quite, and this is what winds me up so much about the Remain campaign. They are playing it like there is no valid reason to leave unless you're a xenophobic, racist, little-englander. There are reasons to leave, and good ones, just as there are also good reasons to stay. I just wish both sides would acknowledge that and address the issues and weigh them up truthfully, so us ignorant punters have a full and accurate view on which to base our decision.
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| Superfly The sun always shines in Catford 07 Jun 16 3.01pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I'm in the out camp, and I'd say I'm pretty left wing. Another leftie voting out here (partly for the reasons you stated Ouzo)
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