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Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 15 Jan 16 8.40pm

Watching a program about 1985 showed Kinnock making that speech. I can see history repeating itself. Derek Hatton looked spritely

 

the dignified don't even enter in the game

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 15 Jan 16 10.30pm

One of Corbyn's policies vindicated here I feel.
[Link]

 
matt_himself Flag Matataland 16 Jan 16 8.10am

Corbyn is getting even more Commie:

[Link]

 

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 16 Jan 16 9.10am

Quote matt_himself at 16 Jan 2016 8.10am

Corbyn is getting even more Commie:

[Link]

Paying the living wage is a bad thing is it?

 
matt_himself Flag Matataland 16 Jan 16 9.31am

Quote nickgusset at 16 Jan 2016 9.10am

Quote matt_himself at 16 Jan 2016 8.10am

Corbyn is getting even more Commie:

[Link]

Paying the living wage is a bad thing is it?

I knew you would say that.

Is paying people a 'living wage' wrong. No, of course not. If people work they should be paid accordingly.

However the question is, in a democratic society, should the government have the ability to make arbitrary decisions that impinge freedom and the scope of such decision making is limited to a small clique with undefined perimeters?

The issue here is that Corbyn and his clique are showing their Stalinist colours behind 'mean nothing' phraseology. That is worrying.


Edited by matt_himself (16 Jan 2016 9.31am)

 

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 16 Jan 16 9.45am

Quote The White Horse at 08 Jan 2016 4.30pm

Quote nickgusset at 08 Jan 2016 4.13pm

Those who are part of 'Progress' need to stop throwing their toys out of the pram!

Again, we come back to my dilemma earlier. Pick one of the following. I'd say the first option is very unlikely, since Corbyn is so far from them politically:

1) Stop centrists in the Labour Party from complaining.
2) Get a leader who can command the respect of centrists.

Did you see Diane Abbott on Newsnight on Wednesday Nick? The presenter asked her whether she thought the Blairites and Corbynites could find some way to work together without slagging one another off.

She then said that all of those who had been sacked were special advisers resisting a change in political culture. The presenter pointed out that her answer suggested the answer was probably no.

[Link]

This is worth a read

 
nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 16 Jan 16 9.47am

Quote matt_himself at 16 Jan 2016 9.31am

Quote nickgusset at 16 Jan 2016 9.10am

Quote matt_himself at 16 Jan 2016 8.10am

Corbyn is getting even more Commie:

[Link]

Paying the living wage is a bad thing is it?

I knew you would say that.

Is paying people a 'living wage' wrong. No, of course not. If people work they should be paid accordingly.

However the question is, in a democratic society, should the government have the ability to make arbitrary decisions that impinge freedom and the scope of such decision making is limited to a small clique with undefined perimeters?

The issue here is that Corbyn and his clique are showing their Stalinist colours behind 'mean nothing' phraseology. That is worrying.


Edited by matt_himself (16 Jan 2016 9.31am)


Corbyn is giving policies, the public will decide. I'd imagine making sure staff are treated fairly using money that has been generated by those staff ahead of paying dividends is a no brainer.

 
matt_himself Flag Matataland 16 Jan 16 10.06am

Quote nickgusset at 16 Jan 2016 9.47am

Quote matt_himself at 16 Jan 2016 9.31am

Quote nickgusset at 16 Jan 2016 9.10am

Quote matt_himself at 16 Jan 2016 8.10am

Corbyn is getting even more Commie:

[Link]

Paying the living wage is a bad thing is it?

I knew you would say that.

Is paying people a 'living wage' wrong. No, of course not. If people work they should be paid accordingly.

However the question is, in a democratic society, should the government have the ability to make arbitrary decisions that impinge freedom and the scope of such decision making is limited to a small clique with undefined perimeters?

The issue here is that Corbyn and his clique are showing their Stalinist colours behind 'mean nothing' phraseology. That is worrying.


Edited by matt_himself (16 Jan 2016 9.31am)


Corbyn is giving policies, the public will decide. I'd imagine making sure staff are treated fairly using money that has been generated by those staff ahead of paying dividends is a no brainer.

Once again, you miss the point.

Firstly, this is another indication that Corbyn and his clique want to run matters Politburo style, with a planned economy managed by a small cabal of insiders.

Secondly, do this and business leaves Britain. If investors cannot be rewarded for risking their capital on business, the money will go elsewhere and there will be no wages for anyone, 'living wage' or otherwise.

Investors come in many hues. One of the biggest sector of investors in this country is pension funds, both public and private. Would you support pensioners not receiving their pensions, including those receiving a public sector pension, because a Corbyn government has arbitrarily decided, and most likely for vanity political reasons, that a company cannot pay dividends & thus the pension fund doesn't receive the income it needs to make pension payments?

As you say, let the public decide when the implications of Corbyn's empty words are explained to them.

 

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 16 Jan 16 10.09am

I think that you'll find governments of all hues introduce policy and legislation without actually going through the house.
[Link] for example.

 
matt_himself Flag Matataland 16 Jan 16 10.11am

Quote nickgusset at 16 Jan 2016 10.09am

I think that you'll find governments of all hues introduce policy and legislation without actually going through the house.
[Link] for example.


Not going to answer the question in my previous post?

I answered your question about the 'living wage'.

 

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
matt_himself Flag Matataland 16 Jan 16 10.13am

Quote nickgusset at 16 Jan 2016 10.09am

I think that you'll find governments of all hues introduce policy and legislation without actually going through the house.
[Link] for example.


Are you agreeing then that Corbyn intends to bypass the House if elected and introduce his policies as he pleases?

Interesting.

 

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 16 Jan 16 10.18am

Quote matt_himself at 16 Jan 2016 10.13am

Quote nickgusset at 16 Jan 2016 10.09am

I think that you'll find governments of all hues introduce policy and legislation without actually going through the house.
[Link] for example.


Are you agreeing then that Corbyn intends to bypass the House if elected and introduce his policies as he pleases?

Interesting.

It would be a policy in the manifesto I would imagine, somewhat different. So no I am not saying that.

That said, I agree with the idea.

 
matt_himself Flag Matataland 16 Jan 16 10.19am

Quote nickgusset at 16 Jan 2016 10.18am

Quote matt_himself at 16 Jan 2016 10.13am

Quote nickgusset at 16 Jan 2016 10.09am

I think that you'll find governments of all hues introduce policy and legislation without actually going through the house.
[Link] for example.


Are you agreeing then that Corbyn intends to bypass the House if elected and introduce his policies as he pleases?

Interesting.

It would be a policy in the manifesto I would imagine, somewhat different. So no I am not saying that.

That said, I agree with the idea.

So you agree with a policy that would potentially deny pensioners their regular income and would strangle investment into the UK?

 

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 16 Jan 16 10.24am

Quote matt_himself at 16 Jan 2016 10.19am

Quote nickgusset at 16 Jan 2016 10.18am

Quote matt_himself at 16 Jan 2016 10.13am

Quote nickgusset at 16 Jan 2016 10.09am

I think that you'll find governments of all hues introduce policy and legislation without actually going through the house.
[Link] for example.


Are you agreeing then that Corbyn intends to bypass the House if elected and introduce his policies as he pleases?

Interesting.

It would be a policy in the manifesto I would imagine, somewhat different. So no I am not saying that.

That said, I agree with the idea.

So you agree with a policy that would potentially deny pensioners their regular income and would strangle investment into the UK?

Would it really strangle investment? Is there evidence for this or is this mere scaremongering?

 
matt_himself Flag Matataland 16 Jan 16 10.37am

Quote nickgusset at 16 Jan 2016 10.24am

Quote matt_himself at 16 Jan 2016 10.19am

Quote nickgusset at 16 Jan 2016 10.18am

Quote matt_himself at 16 Jan 2016 10.13am

Quote nickgusset at 16 Jan 2016 10.09am

I think that you'll find governments of all hues introduce policy and legislation without actually going through the house.
[Link] for example.


Are you agreeing then that Corbyn intends to bypass the House if elected and introduce his policies as he pleases?

Interesting.

It would be a policy in the manifesto I would imagine, somewhat different. So no I am not saying that.

That said, I agree with the idea.

So you agree with a policy that would potentially deny pensioners their regular income and would strangle investment into the UK?

Would it really strangle investment? Is there evidence for this or is this mere scaremongering?

If you were an investor and a ideologically driven government was introducing laws that could prevent you receiving a return on your investment, what would be your incentive to invest in Britain?

Let's leave this here Gusset. You have returned to type and are refusing to answer questions, or answering questions with questions. I am sure this will be a relief for you as you clearly don't want to answer awkward questions or don't have anything to answer them with. Twice I asked you about pensions, twice you twisted.


Edited by matt_himself (16 Jan 2016 10.40am)

 

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
Hoof Hearted 16 Jan 16 10.43am

Matt is absolutely bang on the money about Corbyn's latest hair brained scheme to threaten dividend payments.

Of course it appeals to those fortunate enough to have gold plated public sector pensions like teachers as it doesn't affect them.... I'm alright Jack mindset.

But for the rest of us it would be a disaster both individually and corporately.

From my own perspective I rely partly on dividends for my income.

Yet another tick against Corbyn for a large slice of the population.

 
nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 16 Jan 16 10.46am

Quote matt_himself at 16 Jan 2016 10.37am

Quote nickgusset at 16 Jan 2016 10.24am

Quote matt_himself at 16 Jan 2016 10.19am

Quote nickgusset at 16 Jan 2016 10.18am

Quote matt_himself at 16 Jan 2016 10.13am

Quote nickgusset at 16 Jan 2016 10.09am

I think that you'll find governments of all hues introduce policy and legislation without actually going through the house.
[Link] for example.


Are you agreeing then that Corbyn intends to bypass the House if elected and introduce his policies as he pleases?

Interesting.

It would be a policy in the manifesto I would imagine, somewhat different. So no I am not saying that.

That said, I agree with the idea.

So you agree with a policy that would potentially deny pensioners their regular income and would strangle investment into the UK?

Would it really strangle investment? Is there evidence for this or is this mere scaremongering?

If you were an investor and a ideologically driven government was introducing laws that could prevent you receiving a return on your investment, what would be your incentive to invest in Britain?

Let's leave this here Gusset. You have returned to type and are refusing to answer questions, or answering questions with questions. I am sure this will be a relief for you as you clearly don't want to answer awkward questions or don't have anything to answer them with. Twice I asked you about pensions, twice you twisted.


Edited by matt_himself (16 Jan 2016 10.40am)


Can you explain how it would 'potentially' (your words so not definite then) hamper pensions, then I will respond.

From where I see it, you seem to be ok with investment at the cost of employee rights and salary. Is this correct?

 
nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 16 Jan 16 10.48am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 16 Jan 2016 10.43am

Matt is absolutely bang on the money about Corbyn's latest hair brained scheme to threaten dividend payments.

Of course it appeals to those fortunate enough to have gold plated public sector pensions like teachers as it doesn't affect them.... I'm alright Jack mindset.

But for the rest of us it would be a disaster both individually and corporately.

From my own perspective I rely partly on dividends for my income.

Yet another tick against Corbyn for a large slice of the population.


You imply that a large slice of the population rely on dividends for income. Really. I'd imagine that more rely on a decent wage.

Yes invest in the country, but not to the detriment of pay for those that are actually doing the work that generates the profits.

 
matt_himself Flag Matataland 16 Jan 16 10.49am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 16 Jan 2016 10.43am

Matt is absolutely bang on the money about Corbyn's latest hair brained scheme to threaten dividend payments.

Of course it appeals to those fortunate enough to have gold plated public sector pensions like teachers as it doesn't affect them.... I'm alright Jack mindset.

But for the rest of us it would be a disaster both individually and corporately.

From my own perspective I rely partly on dividends for my income.

Yet another tick against Corbyn for a large slice of the population.

The irony is Hoof, that the public sector pension funds also rely on dividends from their investments to make pension payments.

 

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
matt_himself Flag Matataland 16 Jan 16 10.50am

Quote nickgusset at 16 Jan 2016 10.46am

Quote matt_himself at 16 Jan 2016 10.37am

Quote nickgusset at 16 Jan 2016 10.24am

Quote matt_himself at 16 Jan 2016 10.19am

Quote nickgusset at 16 Jan 2016 10.18am

Quote matt_himself at 16 Jan 2016 10.13am

Quote nickgusset at 16 Jan 2016 10.09am

I think that you'll find governments of all hues introduce policy and legislation without actually going through the house.
[Link] for example.


Are you agreeing then that Corbyn intends to bypass the House if elected and introduce his policies as he pleases?

Interesting.

It would be a policy in the manifesto I would imagine, somewhat different. So no I am not saying that.

That said, I agree with the idea.

So you agree with a policy that would potentially deny pensioners their regular income and would strangle investment into the UK?

Would it really strangle investment? Is there evidence for this or is this mere scaremongering?

If you were an investor and a ideologically driven government was introducing laws that could prevent you receiving a return on your investment, what would be your incentive to invest in Britain?

Let's leave this here Gusset. You have returned to type and are refusing to answer questions, or answering questions with questions. I am sure this will be a relief for you as you clearly don't want to answer awkward questions or don't have anything to answer them with. Twice I asked you about pensions, twice you twisted.


Edited by matt_himself (16 Jan 2016 10.40am)


Can you explain how it would 'potentially' (your words so not definite then) hamper pensions, then I will respond.

From where I see it, you seem to be ok with investment at the cost of employee rights and salary. Is this correct?


no more Gusset. You are deliberately being obtuse.

 

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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