Among other reasons, I left London many years ago due to changes caused by mass immigration.

It's good that you care about one of these groups at least.

The other? Well who cares about White people eh!

Where’s the proof of that figure. The Hamas reports ha ha ha.
Some are so gullible it’s unbelievable.

From a historical perspective, when you look into the history of the region the idea that it is exclusively owned by one ethnic group is just not reality (unlike Britain, but that's for another thread).

Talking as an outsider, because like I say, what Europeans think is neither here nor there.....The creation of a Palestinian state seems fair from that historical perspective.

However, it's not realistic, given events since 47.

Israel won't allow it....if a left or liberal government took over in Israel and tried the two state solution then the Israeli right would wreck it just as much as Hamas would....Indeed, an Israeli assassinated the last PM who tried.

The only realistic way of making a two state solution happen would be by the UN or the US taking over the Israeli government and security and enabling the Palestinian state. Basically a dismantling of the Israeli right.

That's just never going to happen.

So essentially Israel are going to ethnically cleanse the Palestinian people.....a lot of them here. And then the rest of them using the same drip drip settler tactics that has reduced their number of these last seventy years.

You see, if you don't do it violently in front of interested media and take your time you get to call it something else.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Nov 2023 8.09pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

It may well be the intention of the current government in Israel to achieve ethnic cleansing but I cannot imagine others just standing by and allowing it to happen. Not just the Arab world either, although there is obviously much more risk of them directly intervening, with all the potential consequences.

I don’t think the rest of the world would just sit back, There is already a marked change of mood and language, even in the USA. If that grows, as anticipate it will, then external pressure, threats of isolation and withdrawal of funding should cause Israel to reevaluate. Their people are by far not all far right, orthodox or fundamentalist. There are many secular people who have much more sympathy for the Palestinian position than the present leadership. If the people there start to feel pressure then they may well change the leadership.

So I am not convinced this will end up with ethnic cleansing on a massive scale. I can imagine other outcomes. I hope I am right.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Ethnic cleansing is totally unacceptable, but resettlement might be the only way to stop the bloodshed.

The problem is that other Muslim countries don't want the Palestinians, and I, for one, certainly don't want them in Europe.
We don't want this age old conflict to restart on the streets of London.