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 Stirlingsays  06 Aug 19 9.26pm |
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Originally posted by Lucretius
This reasoning is nothing but a blurring of reality.....it's the 'Zulus are Greeks' argument....of course all humans are similar...because they are human. However, it's ignoring the real distinctions between human groups for political purposes....in my view. Race can be accurately and independently geographically attributed via genes even using everyday 'off the shelf genealogy packages. If race didn't exist, sickle cell would be common place within all races at the same extents.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 06 Aug 19 9.30pm |
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Originally posted by Lucretius
Maybe we're just quibbling over semantics. 'White supremacist' does certainly have connotations of superiority, but it is also used to apply to those who feel the 'white race' is facing an existential threat. Though the two groups overlap perhaps we just need a new word for the latter group, such as, 'white militant'. So to be clear. If you feel that your race is under threat of being absorbed into the sheer numbers of migrants arriving that makes you a white supremacist? So it is a sin to wish to avoid extinction because it is done via interbreeding and replacement even though the results for your 'race' will be virtually the same as being humanely exterminated. In other words, it's not OK to complain because no one is actually killed but rather will never be born?
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| Stirlingsays 06 Aug 19 9.37pm |
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Originally posted by Beanyboysmd
"Many cultures wish to preserve their genetic heritage..." Was he claiming too? You can't either. Originally posted by Beanyboysmd
A majority don't mind and an equal number to yours actively encourage it. I don't agree that a 'majority don't mind'. It's not something that a 'majority' have to deal with. The majority have already kept their genetic heritage and when you look at the demographic map the majority of any race move to areas where their own race is in the highest numbers....that's the reality. Originally posted by Beanyboysmd
Even on your own side, most can't agree on what they think "Genetic heritage" is. Is it skin colour? Is it the good old "Love of the queen"? Is it "Britain and the commonwealth countries"? Before the Anglo-saxons got involved? Roman? Every 'side' is a broad church. You could say this of any movement or group that come together on anything. No one is required to sign up to specifics. Originally posted by Beanyboysmd
I strongly suspect that "Genetic heritage" is a dog-whistle but I'm going to assume it isn't. You need to give us a strong definition on what genetic heritage is, because as it stands, almost nobody in this country agrees with you and you are in danger of sharing a platform with some truly awful people... ...and if its down to skin colour, ironically you would really be in a minority You make plenty of assumptions and assertions here.....and I'm curious as to why you'd care. No one is telling you how to behave or what to think are they? You either agree or don't and you plainly don't so....fair enough.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 06 Aug 19 9.39pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
You make plenty of assumptions and assertions here.....and I'm curious as to why you'd care. No one is telling you how to behave or what to think are they? You either agree or don't and you plainly don't so....fair enough. I think you deserve today's medal.
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| Stirlingsays 06 Aug 19 9.45pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I think you deserve today's medal. Tips hat.
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| Stirlingsays 06 Aug 19 9.54pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
More white skinned self-loathing. Their offspring and theirs won’t thank them. More the opposite. What on Earth is going on in their heads and Western Europe? Take away all of their privileges and they might stop behaving like children that think they know better, but cry kicking and stamping their feet. Absolute idiots. Talk about chuck it all away. Like a riches to rags story for half a continent on self chuck it all in destruction crusade. Glad I’ll be off in some way before I see them destroy it all because there was an empire they had no responsibility for before their grandparents were born. Fools. I hope they enjoy a real decline in living standards. Yep, I think that's the end result.....essentially I see a society that becomes increasingly discordant and violent and a wealthier class that becomes increasingly 'gated' whether it's by house price or physically....or mentally. Those who look to build utopias create dystopias. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Aug 2019 9.55pm)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 06 Aug 19 10.09pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
You’re the person who said we need to train them to be like us. If they’re like us they’re not very diverse are they? As that not only seems the natural way that society will evolve and what you want, I fail to see the problem.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 06 Aug 19 10.20pm |
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Originally posted by dreamwaverider
Wisbech you are dreaming of some kind of Utopia moving forward. If the world does reach 11 billion by 2100 and it is structured roughly the same as today then it will be a very different place. That won't be the way it is at all. There is still heaps of room to build homes for people all over the planet. Especially if we go up. It just requires imagination, planning and determination. Room is not the real problem. It's ensuring there is enough food and water to satisfy our needs and this is where science and technology will provide the answers. More efficient use of both land and water resources combined with increased crop yield and the harvesting of alternative food sources will see us safe and happy. That will be the world with 11 billion. My view is that numbers will drop in the second half of this century when nature will intervene to significantly reduce the numbers of mankind who by then will have done enough to seriously upset nature in its capacity as current main tenant of this planet. Ever since mankind stopped being a hunter gatherer we have been managing nature and this just requires more management. There are various possibilities of reduction one of which will almost certainly cull huge numbers of mankind. War, virus or just natural disaster or something else that none of us have even considered. Avoiding war or famine will be the biggest challenge and that involves ensuring that no region is put under such intense pressure that these disasters can occur. Natural disasters will always be a fact of life on earth and cannot, yet anyway, be anticipated. The world is heading for many changes in the not too distant future (say half a century) in my view. Many changes, for sure. Changes we can cope with, for sure too. Unless the mood being expressed by some here is allowed to prevail.
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Teddy Eagle  06 Aug 19 10.54pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
As that not only seems the natural way that society will evolve and what you want, I fail to see the problem. We only have your word for the fact that that is how society will evolve. Isn’t it equally as feasible that society will become more fragmented with the introduction of lots of people who not only don’t want to integrate but actively expect the indigenous population to adapt to accept their demands.
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| Teddy Eagle 06 Aug 19 11.00pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Someone here says that the demographics of Cornwall are 95.7% white and as a consequence all immigrants should be sent there! Presumably as some kind of punishment. What does that tell us? Is what lies behind this really an aversion to all immigration? Or is it an aversion to immigration by "non whites"? The Cornish will tell you that there have been huge numbers of immigrants to Cornwall. Almost all white and from England, a few from Wales and even a few from Scotland. The demographics don't record such things though but the Cornish believe their country (and they do regard it as a country) has been invaded, although not very seriously. There are also huge numbers of seasonal workers, both in tourism and agriculture, mostly from southern and eastern Europe. So is it OK for immigrants to the UK as a whole to arrive from "white" northern Europe but not from southern Europe because they aren't "pure" white? Is it OK for immigrants to arrive from eastern Europe, if they are Christian and have "white" skins? Is it not OK for immigrants to arrive from eastern Europe if they are Muslim but have "whitish" skins? Is it OK for immigrants to arrive from Commonwealth countries, providing they aren't Muslim and have "white" skins? Pure conflation. Ask your neighbours, with all their talk of Emmets, how they feel about people moving into Cornwall and driving up the house prices. If you think they’re totally on board with it then you’re fooling yourself.
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Jimenez  SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 06 Aug 19 11.04pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Someone here says that the demographics of Cornwall are 95.7% white and as a consequence all immigrants should be sent there! Presumably as some kind of punishment. What does that tell us? Is what lies behind this really an aversion to all immigration? Or is it an aversion to immigration by "non whites"? The Cornish will tell you that there have been huge numbers of immigrants to Cornwall. Almost all white and from England, a few from Wales and even a few from Scotland. The demographics don't record such things though but the Cornish believe their country (and they do regard it as a country) has been invaded, although not very seriously. There are also huge numbers of seasonal workers, both in tourism and agriculture, mostly from southern and eastern Europe. So is it OK for immigrants to the UK as a whole to arrive from "white" northern Europe but not from southern Europe because they aren't "pure" white? Is it OK for immigrants to arrive from eastern Europe, if they are Christian and have "white" skins? Is it not OK for immigrants to arrive from eastern Europe if they are Muslim but have "whitish" skins? Is it OK for immigrants to arrive from Commonwealth countries, providing they aren't Muslim and have "white" skins? When I first moved to the USA a few year's back. I got chatting to a guy who could barely disguise his contempt for the English, proudly claiming he was of 'Cornish American heritage'
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 06 Aug 19 11.05pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I never suggested that one was the consequence of the other. Are you paying attention? Maybe you should address the last to yourself! The reduction of living standards will occur through numbers. The world struggles to feed itself now and the only way to address that is to share resources more equally particularly when world food and water production and supply is at maximum. As I have now pointed out several times that is simply untrue. There is already more than enough food to feed the world. The problem is not the quantity, it's the distribution. The west consumes far more than it needs and wastes even more. World food and water production is no-where near it's maximum either. There are many things we can do to increase yields, through the use of GM for instance, bring arid lands into fertile production through the development of drought resistant crops and harvest new sources for food. Finding sufficient water is a challenge but more efficiency combined with increased desalination will provide the answers. Never underestimate the capacity of science and technology to find the answers. That has to mean a reduction of living standards in the West. It absolutely does not. It might mean changes in some things but constant change is a fact of life we need to begin to accept. The race issue is about whether you are happy or indifferent about your genetic lineage being absorbed or if you think it is worth preserving. That is for the individual to decide. Many cultures wish to preserve their genetic heritage by not marrying into other cultures or races. it is not uncommon. So long as that's a personal choice, and not public policy, then that's up to you. My own view is that as everyone's genes have always been mixed those who get concerned about it really ought to find more important things to worry about. Why should Europeans be any less protective if they choose to be? The question is, who are these Europeans? Those you approve of, or all of them?
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 06 Aug 19 11.18pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Pure conflation. Ask your neighbours, with all their talk of Emmets, how they feel about people moving into Cornwall and driving up the house prices. If you think they’re totally on board with it then you’re fooling yourself. I live here and most of my friends are Cornish. No-one I know has the slightest issue with the incomers. They know full well that the retirees who come here bring work with them. They support the building industry and, of course, the general economy. House prices have not so much gone up as house building has increased. I know a few local Mebyon Kernow councillors and get along well with them. They understand what benefits the incomers make to the local economy. You will always get the local windup merchant making fun for the benefit of a tourist but the underlying community spirit here is very harmonious.
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| Mapletree Croydon 06 Aug 19 11.22pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I think you deserve today's medal. FFS get a room the pair of you
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 06 Aug 19 11.26pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
We only have your word for the fact that that is how society will evolve. Isn’t it equally as feasible that society will become more fragmented with the introduction of lots of people who not only don’t want to integrate but actively expect the indigenous population to adapt to accept their demands. We cannot just sit back and wait for things to happen. We need to be pro-active and control the agenda so we steer things to the conclusions we want. What we cannot do is turn back time. We are where we are. Now we need to decide where we want to be and how to get there. Which is why I want to remove all religion from all schools and public places and replace it with a drive to ensure all citizens first respect and then love our country and our culture. We need to make sure that happens, but not through force, as that never works, but through involvement and education.
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| Mapletree Croydon 06 Aug 19 11.26pm |
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Originally posted by Jimenez
When I first moved to the USA a few year's back. I got chatting to a guy who could barely disguise his contempt for the English, proudly claiming he was of 'Cornish American heritage' A well known phenomenon is that expats develop an idealised image of ‘the old country ‘. It rarely reflects the true situation when they left and just doesn’t keep up with the rapid pace of change in their country of origin. So the US sponsors terrorism in the island of Ireland and the UK terrorism in Sri Lanka.
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| Mapletree Croydon 06 Aug 19 11.28pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
We only have your word for the fact that that is how society will evolve. Isn’t it equally as feasible that society will become more fragmented with the introduction of lots of people who not only don’t want to integrate but actively expect the indigenous population to adapt to accept their demands. You don’t live in Croydon do you?
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