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Coutts VS Nigel Farage
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  georgenorman  24 Jul 23 8.01pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
I suspect if you went into Coutts on any given day you would literally be tripping over money launderers insider traders and corrupt oligarchs. And that's just the staff.
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 24 Jul 23 9.11pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Who own Coutts. There you are another one liner! Sure, but rather obviously it's not as simple as NatWest Group are 38% owned by the taxpayer, therefore Coutts is 38% owned by the taxpayer. Also what you appear to be implying is that level of ownership is some sort of reasoning for his jettisoning. In terms of probability, it's not zero, but it's pretty close to it.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 24 Jul 23 10.36pm |
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Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines
Dangerous scenario if true. So, if some of the public have accounts with UK banks that provide Islamic compliant accounts, should the bank close those to potentially pacify those that think Shira law is unpleasant? That's a matter for the bank to determine. They would have to decide where their best interests lay and act accordingly. What anyone else thinks is immaterial.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 24 Jul 23 10.43pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
My FI wrote to me when I fell below the threshold (not before) and politely gave me my options e.g. up it or leave. Coutts just closed his account. If Coutts thought that a politician (any politician) wouldn't make political capital out it it they are idiots. Edited by Badger11 (24 Jul 2023 4.18pm) This is true. Coutts handled it very badly, but they have the right to make bad decisions. If they didn't want his business much better to have refused his initial application. If he has had an account since before he became politically active then there were better ways to dump him than the way they did.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 24 Jul 23 10.49pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
So those others had it coming iyo. No recourse is fine then is it? Just maybe some had a case but not the platform to question it. My god this is like a loop ! Have you considered doing a bit of water boarding for entertainment ! Edited by cryrst (24 Jul 2023 5.07pm) What case would that be? The bank has, so far as I am aware, total discretion over who they serve and no legal obligation, at least currently, to explain an account closure. Rightly so too, in my opinion, as they might have picked up some information that disturbs them but isn't legally provable. So to have to explain it could cause them jeopardy.
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HKOwen  Hong Kong 24 Jul 23 10.52pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Coutts won't have an opinion on his opinions. They have a concern about the opinions of their customers on his opinions. This is simply an absurd statement. In essence you have no problem with banks cancelling the provision of services to customers because of their legally held views.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 24 Jul 23 10.54pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
The bastion of truth the gold standard of impartial journalism ... Lol The journalist involved trusted his "source" and published without verification. As I said previously they will be in deep trouble and I don't expect them to be there much longer. This though is only a side show.
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| HKOwen Hong Kong 24 Jul 23 10.55pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
What case would that be? The bank has, so far as I am aware, total discretion over who they serve and no legal obligation, at least currently, to explain an account closure. Rightly so too, in my opinion, as they might have picked up some information that disturbs them but isn't legally provable. So to have to explain it could cause them jeopardy. The hubris of your hypocrisy is no surprise. You are quite happy to pin guilt on people you don't like such as DT without process, but when it's one of your likes such as Biden, you get on your soapbox about not proven in a court of law blah blah blah.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 24 Jul 23 11.05pm |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
This is simply an absurd statement. In essence you have no problem with banks cancelling the provision of services to customers because of their legally held views. It's your statement which is absurd. Why would a bank have an opinion about anyone's views? Their only concern is their own bottom line. If they think it will be improved by refusing to maintain service to any individual then that's their decision. The reasons for such a judgement could be hugely variable.
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| HKOwen Hong Kong 24 Jul 23 11.13pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It's your statement which is absurd. Why would a bank have an opinion about anyone's views? Their only concern is their own bottom line. If they think it will be improved by refusing to maintain service to any individual then that's their decision. The reasons for such a judgement could be hugely variable. The Coutt's internal documents frequently refer to " our opinion, our view " Pesky fact I know, don't let a fact get in the way of your opinion
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| Badger11 Beckenham 24 Jul 23 11.13pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The journalist involved trusted his "source" and published without verification. As I said previously they will be in deep trouble and I don't expect them to be there much longer. This though is only a side show. It isn't just the journalist. What was the editor doing? I would imagine on any given day a journalist rushes into the office with "boy have I got a scoop". The job of his boss / editor is to question and challenge this is a failure of BBC News management. You may consider it a side show but when the BBC is claiming it's reputation for impartiality is second to none they end up looking stupid.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 24 Jul 23 11.14pm |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
The hubris of your hypocrisy is no surprise. You are quite happy to pin guilt on people you don't like such as DT without process, but when it's one of your likes such as Biden, you get on your soapbox about not proven in a court of law blah blah blah. Total rubbish. I want Trump to face justice via due process and have repeatedly said so. It seems he now faces a lot and is doing his best to delay them for as long as he can. As I have said many times, patience is needed. If he is guilty of anything it must be proved in court. I have also repeatedly said that should evidence exist about anyone else, including Biden, then let it be presented in a court and for due process to deal with it. There are enough people with knives out for Biden for there to be no lack of willing sponsors for investigations and court actions, so the lack of them poses questions in my mind. This though has nothing to do with Farage. The only similarity is the way he and Trump have both popularised themselves to a gullible audience via TV. Johnson did it too.
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| HKOwen Hong Kong 24 Jul 23 11.15pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
It isn't just the journalist. What was the editor doing? I would imagine on any given day a journalist rushes into the office with "boy have I got a scoop". The job of his boss / editor is to question and challenge this is a failure of BBC News management. You may consider it a side show but when the BBC is claiming it's reputation for impartiality is second to none they end up looking stupid. I agree with the above, but it is also the BBC directly involving in partisan politics by trying to smear a political figure they don't like
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 24 Jul 23 11.17pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
It isn't just the journalist. What was the editor doing? I would imagine on any given day a journalist rushes into the office with "boy have I got a scoop". The job of his boss / editor is to question and challenge this is a failure of BBC News management. You may consider it a side show but when the BBC is claiming it's reputation for impartiality is second to none they end up looking stupid. Oh, it's a big failure and I suspect the editor's days are also numbered. The BBC don't have to apologise often and this must be extremely painful for them.
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| HKOwen Hong Kong 24 Jul 23 11.18pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Total rubbish. I want Trump to face justice via due process and have repeatedly said so. It seems he now faces a lot and is doing his best to delay them for as long as he can. As I have said many times, patience is needed. If he is guilty of anything it must be proved in court. I have also repeatedly said that should evidence exist about anyone else, including Biden, then let it be presented in a court and for due process to deal with it. There are enough people with knives out for Biden for there to be no lack of willing sponsors for investigations and court actions, so the lack of them poses questions in my mind. This though has nothing to do with Farage. The only similarity is the way he and Trump have both popularised themselves to a gullible audience via TV. Johnson did it too. It has everything to do with your double standards depending on the subject. You have stated often that it is clear Trump is guilty etc You can use selective memory as much as you want and many on here would expect no less
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Teddy Eagle  24 Jul 23 11.25pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Oh, it's a big failure and I suspect the editor's days are also numbered. The BBC don't have to apologise often and this must be extremely painful for them. Never mind. Whatever happens to them will only be temporary.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 24 Jul 23 11.41pm |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
The Coutt's internal documents frequently refer to " our opinion, our view " Pesky fact I know, don't let a fact get in the way of your opinion So what? They were internal documents used during a review process. Whatever the basis was for them to reach their decision is a matter for them alone. The reasons for believing that something will impact their reputation and, as a consequence, the bottom line are not the point. They aren't closing the account because of Farage's opinions themselves. They are closing it on their opinion of what they do to their reputation. If "their opinion, their view" had been that his opinions enhanced their reputation they would not have closed it. On a personal level, some may agree with him, who knows?
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 24 Jul 23 11.47pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Never mind. Whatever happens to them will only be temporary. On the contrary. What that story suggests is that anyone who fails to meet the BBC's high standards is now very unlikely to be rehired again.
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| HKOwen Hong Kong 25 Jul 23 12.03am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
So what? They were internal documents used during a review process. Whatever the basis was for them to reach their decision is a matter for them alone. The reasons for believing that something will impact their reputation and, as a consequence, the bottom line are not the point. They aren't closing the account because of Farage's opinions themselves. They are closing it on their opinion of what they do to their reputation. If "their opinion, their view" had been that his opinions enhanced their reputation they would not have closed it. On a personal level, some may agree with him, who knows? JHFC, the docs don't mention the views of their customers as you asserted in the decision making process. No point in telling someone who is stupid they are stupid etc
Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance. |
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| Teddy Eagle 25 Jul 23 12.32am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
On the contrary. What that story suggests is that anyone who fails to meet the BBC's high standards is now very unlikely to be rehired again. And the fact they rehired someone who falsified documents to further his own career is proof of their outstanding credentials. They can't fail can they?
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