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 PalazioVecchio  south pole 16 Jun 24 6.05pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
its always complex. The heroic, suffering & Epic. People you want to remember. Alfred the Great, Lee Rigby, Alan Turing , Matt le Tissier or the opposite : People you would rather not remember...... For every nation. Identity is a mixed bag. Both good and bad.
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Stirlingsays  16 Jun 24 6.23pm |
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Originally posted by carrick eagle
Well sterlingsays, making good points, have to say unusual for an English man, but like I said not alot of English are aware of the history between the two countries as it was never taught in the English schools Yep, most English people don't even know that Ireland was part of Britain for a long time.....well 121 years. All countries do bad things at various times in their history and if it's taught properly then it's fine....However, I most definitely think what the German boomers did to German children went way over the top.....You can see it now in the attitude divide between East Germans (who didn't get that self hating propaganda as bad) and West Germans. I don't think any nation should teach its children a negative view of its history.
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carrick eagle  Carrick-on-suir 16 Jun 24 6.24pm |
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Oliver Cromwell was a c@@t
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| Stirlingsays 16 Jun 24 6.25pm |
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Originally posted by carrick eagle
Oliver Cromwell was a c@@t Yep, I'm no fan of his either.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Jun 24 6.55pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Will you fight them on the beaches of Cornwall Wisbech? Your kind would have surrendered to Hitler. Of course I would have done. Bit too old now but I could still make the team in the scout hut for the Home Guard if needed. My father did fight. And saw 600 of his shipmates die trying to defend us from oppression. That matters to me.
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| PalazioVecchio south pole 16 Jun 24 7.09pm |
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Originally posted by carrick eagle
Oliver Cromwell was a c@@t i would have more respect for Orangemen in Belfast if they could find a different poster-boy than Cromwell. i mean, you wouldn't parade Hitler, Stalin or Pol Pot up and down on a banner. Cromwell was an Englishman, a regicide, and a war criminal. Had the crimes of Cromwell never happened, i reckon the subsequent 400 years in Ireland would have more peaceful. And the Protestant Reformation would probably have taken hold peacefully there. Who is English ? Cromwell is probably best forgotten.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 16 Jun 24 7.12pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Of course I would have done. Bit too old now but I could still make the team in the scout hut for the Home Guard if needed. My father did fight. And saw 600 of his shipmates die trying to defend us from oppression. That matters to me. So you would defend against Nazis ideology but the current invasion of something arguably worse, you have no problem with?
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Jun 24 7.22pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Judging? It is a question of science. Read this: The English are a distinct genetic group. They have absorbed genes from various migrations but have not changed significantly. Accept this and move on. You are boring us all to tears. Bonne apres midi. It most certainly is NOT a matter of science. You cannot determine ethnicity by DNA. Ethnicity is determined by shared beliefs and culture. Which can and do evolve with time and can add newcomers and shed others. That’s precisely what happened with our Royal Family. Accept this and move on.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Jun 24 7.27pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
So you would defend against Nazis ideology but the current invasion of something arguably worse, you have no problem with? I do defend against Nazi ideology! As there is no current invasion to defend against it is obviously much worse.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 16 Jun 24 7.31pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It most certainly is NOT a matter of science. You cannot determine ethnicity by DNA. Ethnicity is determined by shared beliefs and culture. Which can and do evolve with time and can add newcomers and shed others. That’s precisely what happened with our Royal Family. Accept this and move on. Ethnicity is not a scientific word. It is far too broad to mean anything. I'm not surprised you have resorted to it.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 16 Jun 24 7.32pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I do defend against Nazi ideology! As there is no current invasion to defend against it is obviously much worse. Open your eyes.
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Teddy Eagle  16 Jun 24 7.45pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Their choice, just as it is ours. No one would attempt to tell them they were only 3/4 Scot because they had a French grandmother if they were wearing a kilt, carrying a claymore and reciting Burns. It’s cultural. Unwise to tell anyone anything if they're carrying a 4 foot sword whether they're fans of George, Pete or Kenny Burns.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Jun 24 7.46pm |
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Originally posted by The groover
Anyone born in England that wants to be English and thus British is exactly that. If they don't want to be English that's fine as well. Regardless of colour religion or anything else. This place is a mixing pot and always has been. The fact that previously it was 'white people ' in that pot disguised that fact. Colour has now been added to the mix. But so what. Eze and Guehi are currently in Germany playing for England. Anyone going to say they are not English? I'm a mix of Scottish, French, German and English. But consider myself as English, British and as patriotic as the next man. Spot on! The claims about DNA being a determinant of identity is reminiscent of a time we would all prefer to forget, but mustn’t. They are a fig leaf for the xenophobia of those waving the St George’s Cross, chanting racist slogans whilst worshiping football hooligans and pretending to be patriotic. I am glad it is being called out. They mustn’t be allowed to obscure and confuse the very real challenges we face. Challenges for which they have no answers but to throw more problems into the mix.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Jun 24 7.48pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Unwise to tell anyone anything if they're carrying a 4 foot sword whether they're fans of George, Pete or Kenny Burns. OK, substitute some bagpipes for the sword! Same result!
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| Hrolf The Ganger 16 Jun 24 7.49pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Spot on! The claims about DNA being a determinant of identity is reminiscent of a time we would all prefer to forget, but mustn’t. They are a fig leaf for the xenophobia of those waving the St George’s Cross, chanting racist slogans whilst worshiping football hooligans and pretending to be patriotic. I am glad it is being called out. They mustn’t be allowed to obscure and confuse the very real challenges we face. Challenges for which they have no answers but to throw more problems into the mix. Nazis. That is all you have got left. It's feeble minded.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Jun 24 8.44pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Ethnicity is not a scientific word. It is far too broad to mean anything. I'm not surprised you have resorted to it. It what we are talking about. Broad it is!
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