Perhaps, but it made me chuckle and has a lovely alliterative feel to it.

Now Himself, I'd have some respect for you if you actually debated the issue at hand rather than taking swipes at a handful of posters because they have a different opinion to you. It does seem to me that you go quiet when people give reasonable responses or use phrases such as 'bum gravy' or 'lefty drivel'. For instance I have given a perfectly good response to your accusations of anti semetism within Labour. Suddenly you have gone quiet. The cynic in me thinks that you are just picking issues in order to goad certain posters on here. That is bad form.

Back to the referendum, the more research i do, the more I am finding it hard to make a choice. I was surprised to see that contributions to the EU form a tiny part of actual U.K spending. This made me think that it is a small price to play to stay within a large trading block. I see myself as British and European, however the jingoism that some seem to associate with national 'pride' sits uneasy with me as it can verge on racism. I'm also perturbed by all the things that various brexiters claim we could spend the money saved on. particularly when you get the likes og Gove and IDS suddenly caring about the NHS whilst being in a party that is decimating it in order to privatise.
I agree that the eu has done a good job ensuring rights for individuals across the eu, however the fact that those behind the scenes so to speak are pushing a neoliberal agenda.
I think that the role of MEP's should be played up, after all they are the ones who vote on plans put forward by the commision - it's upsetting that our UKIP representatives in th european parliament are reticent to vote on many things, it's hardly helping us get the best outcomes for U.K citizens is it?

The fact that we haven't had any sort of a clear idea what would happen post brexit pushes me toward remain, as does the fact that we have a much better chance of reform if we stay in and find like minded idealists across the continent to push a better agenda. Also pushing me towards remain is the fact I think that an exit would allow the currenyt lot in power to push forward ideological austerity meaures. However, counter to this, I think the EU have been complicit in stitching Greece up so much that they have no chance of sorting our their mess as debt interest is in Wonga proportions. Additionally the fact that they've been forced to hand over public assets to conglomerates for peanuts sits uneasily with me.

What to do?

Edited by nickgusset (08 Jun 2016 9.36am)

Just wanted to say that I thought Farage was excellent last night.

Just wanted to say that I thought Farage was excellent last night.

Just wanted to say that I thought Farage was excellent last night.

I'm not so sure this is a gross distortion of the truth...most Brexiteers I know and have heard on the media are more than happy for people to come over...its just that they (the Brexiteers) want a way of controlling the numbers.

I actually thought Gove was better.

The question about the 5 EU presidents was very well put.

Its bizarre, i've never really been a big fan of the politicians the LEAVE camp has (bar Kate Hoey & Dan Hannan) yet they really seem to be holding their own against the constant barrage of scaremongering from REMAIN. Doesn't seem to matter who REMAIN wheel out, whether its Benedict Cumberbatch, Obama, Danny Boyle, Jeremy Clarkson (yup...), John Major (*s******s*). They can't seem to tip the polls much past the 50/50 mark.

I genuinely don't know Hoof. Scouts honour.

It's the forced austerity on Greece giving away their public services for peanuts and forced privatisation that sits uneasily with me. I'd like to know more about what I shall call the european 'Grand Project' and whether it will impose even more neo-liberal austerity measures on EU members.

As for immigration, I don't think that we could complete any trade deals without there being some freedom of movement aspects written into the deals.

So you would rather have tens of thousands more Asians and Africans here than Europeans if the former have better skills and qualifications?

Blimey, Hoof. Are you sure? That's not the Hoof I recognise.

Edited by Kermit8 (08 Jun 2016 12.02pm)

I actually thought Gove was better.

The question about the 5 EU presidents was very well put.

Its bizarre, i've never really been a big fan of the politicians the LEAVE camp has (bar Kate Hoey & Dan Hannan) yet they really seem to be holding their own against the constant barrage of scaremongering from REMAIN. Doesn't seem to matter who REMAIN wheel out, whether its Benedict Cumberbatch, Obama, Danny Boyle, Jeremy Clarkson (yup...), John Major (*s******s*). They can't seem to tip the polls much past the 50/50 mark.