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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 25 Jan 16 5.25pm
Regarding trident... 49% of poll respondents said no to trident1 [Link]

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 25 Jan 16 5.25pm

Regarding trident...
49% of poll respondents said no to trident1
[Link]

Stuk Top half 25 Jan 16 5.38pm
Quote nickgusset at 25 Jan 2016 5.25pm Regarding trident... 49% of poll respondents said no to trident1 [Link] Which is in the minority to being with, but it's actually 20%. and that's in a poll done for a lefty paper. Optimistic as ever

Stuk

Top half 25 Jan 16 5.38pm

Quote nickgusset at 25 Jan 2016 5.25pm

Regarding trident...
49% of poll respondents said no to trident1
[Link]

Which is in the minority to being with, but it's actually 20%.

and that's in a poll done for a lefty paper.

Optimistic as ever

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 25 Jan 16 5.42pm
Quote Stuk at 25 Jan 2016 5.38pm Quote nickgusset at 25 Jan 2016 5.25pm Regarding trident... 49% of poll respondents said no to trident1 [Link] Which is in the minority to being with, but it's actually 20%. and that's in a poll done for a lefty paper. 20% in favour of scrapping nuclear weapons completely. Read the article

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 25 Jan 16 5.42pm

Quote Stuk at 25 Jan 2016 5.38pm

Quote nickgusset at 25 Jan 2016 5.25pm

Regarding trident...
49% of poll respondents said no to trident1
[Link]

Which is in the minority to being with, but it's actually 20%.

and that's in a poll done for a lefty paper.

20% in favour of scrapping nuclear weapons completely. Read the article

Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 25 Jan 16 5.46pm
Quote nickgusset at 25 Jan 2016 5.42pm Quote Stuk at 25 Jan 2016 5.38pm Quote nickgusset at 25 Jan 2016 5.25pm Regarding trident... 49% of poll respondents said no to trident1 [Link] Which is in the minority to being with, but it's actually 20%. and that's in a poll done for a lefty paper. 20% in favour of scrapping nuclear weapons completely. Read the article I might be wrong but I think until pressed for an answer, the majority of people don't give it a moments thought, one way or the other. Every now and again it be raised as an issue whether because of cost or moral grounds but I think even for most reasonably politically engaged people it is a long way down the list. Edited by Y Ddraig Goch (25 Jan 2016 5.46pm) the dignified don't even enter in the game

Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 25 Jan 16 5.46pm

Quote nickgusset at 25 Jan 2016 5.42pm

Quote Stuk at 25 Jan 2016 5.38pm

Quote nickgusset at 25 Jan 2016 5.25pm

Regarding trident...
49% of poll respondents said no to trident1
[Link]

Which is in the minority to being with, but it's actually 20%.

and that's in a poll done for a lefty paper.

20% in favour of scrapping nuclear weapons completely. Read the article

I might be wrong but I think until pressed for an answer, the majority of people don't give it a moments thought, one way or the other. Every now and again it be raised as an issue whether because of cost or moral grounds but I think even for most reasonably politically engaged people it is a long way down the list.

Edited by Y Ddraig Goch (25 Jan 2016 5.46pm)

the dignified don't even enter in the game

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 25 Jan 16 5.53pm
Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 25 Jan 2016 5.46pm Quote nickgusset at 25 Jan 2016 5.42pm Quote Stuk at 25 Jan 2016 5.38pm Quote nickgusset at 25 Jan 2016 5.25pm Regarding trident... 49% of poll respondents said no to trident1 [Link] Which is in the minority to being with, but it's actually 20%. and that's in a poll done for a lefty paper. 20% in favour of scrapping nuclear weapons completely. Read the article I might be wrong but I think until pressed for an answer, the majority of people don't give it a moments thought, one way or the other. Every now and again it be raised as an issue whether because of cost or moral grounds but I think even for most reasonably politically engaged people it is a long way down the list. Edited by Y Ddraig Goch (25 Jan 2016 5.46pm) "Nuclear weapons have shown themselves to be completely useless as a deterrent to the threats and scale of violence we currently face, particularly international terrorism. Who said that? Jeremy Corbyn? CND? The Archbishop of Canterbury? No. It was three of the most respected and experienced military experts in the country – former Head of the Armed Forces Field Marshall Lord Bramall and former Generals Lord Ramsbotham and Sir Hugh Beach. They added: “Our independent deterrent has become virtually irrelevant except in the context of domestic politics.” They wanted to see the "huge" £20billion expense of renewing Trident spent on more conventional weapons and funding for our armed forces. These former army chiefs said they wanted to start a debate on Trident ... ...And they rejected claims that not renewing Trident would see us lose our place on the UN Security Council. Just like Jeremy. The armed chiefs went further. Lord Ramsbotham said: “I don’t think it is independent. First of all, we don’t own the missiles. "And secondly, I think it’s absolutely unthinkable that we should consider or even threaten using it without having clearance of the US.” So we’d been spending at least £20billion – and possibly as much as £100billion – on a weapons system that’s “completely useless”, that we can’t use independently and that would be better spent on our existing armed forces. [Link]

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 25 Jan 16 5.53pm

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 25 Jan 2016 5.46pm

Quote nickgusset at 25 Jan 2016 5.42pm

Quote Stuk at 25 Jan 2016 5.38pm

Quote nickgusset at 25 Jan 2016 5.25pm

Regarding trident...
49% of poll respondents said no to trident1
[Link]

Which is in the minority to being with, but it's actually 20%.

and that's in a poll done for a lefty paper.

20% in favour of scrapping nuclear weapons completely. Read the article

Edited by Y Ddraig Goch (25 Jan 2016 5.46pm)

"Nuclear weapons have shown themselves to be completely useless as a deterrent to the threats and scale of violence we currently face, particularly international terrorism.

Who said that? Jeremy Corbyn? CND? The Archbishop of Canterbury?

No. It was three of the most respected and experienced military experts in the country – former Head of the Armed Forces Field Marshall Lord Bramall and former Generals Lord Ramsbotham and Sir Hugh Beach.

They added: “Our independent deterrent has become virtually irrelevant except in the context of domestic politics.”

They wanted to see the "huge" £20billion expense of renewing Trident spent on more conventional weapons and funding for our armed forces.

These former army chiefs said they wanted to start a debate on Trident ...

...And they rejected claims that not renewing Trident would see us lose our place on the UN Security Council. Just like Jeremy.

The armed chiefs went further. Lord Ramsbotham said: “I don’t think it is independent. First of all, we don’t own the missiles.

"And secondly, I think it’s absolutely unthinkable that we should consider or even threaten using it without having clearance of the US.”

So we’d been spending at least £20billion – and possibly as much as £100billion – on a weapons system that’s “completely useless”, that we can’t use independently and that would be better spent on our existing armed forces.

[Link]

Stuk Top half 25 Jan 16 8.58pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Quote Stuk at 25 Jan 2016 5.38pm Quote nickgusset at 25 Jan 2016 5.25pm Regarding trident... 49% of poll respondents said no to trident1 [Link] Which is in the minority to being with, but it's actually 20%. and that's in a poll done for a lefty paper. 20% in favour of scrapping nuclear weapons completely. Read the article 20% in favour of scrapping trident completely. 29% in favour of keeping it without nukes. 51% in favour of keeping it with nukes. Stop wilfully lying on these boards. It's annoying. At best it's stupidity. Optimistic as ever

Stuk

Top half 25 Jan 16 8.58pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Quote Stuk at 25 Jan 2016 5.38pm

Quote nickgusset at 25 Jan 2016 5.25pm

Regarding trident...
49% of poll respondents said no to trident1
[Link]

Which is in the minority to being with, but it's actually 20%.

and that's in a poll done for a lefty paper.

20% in favour of scrapping nuclear weapons completely. Read the article

20% in favour of scrapping trident completely. 29% in favour of keeping it without nukes. 51% in favour of keeping it with nukes.

Stop wilfully lying on these boards. It's annoying. At best it's stupidity.

Optimistic as ever

-TUX- Alphabettispaghetti 25 Jan 16 9.09pm
Originally posted by Stuk 20% in favour of scrapping trident completely. 29% in favour of keeping it without nukes. 51% in favour of keeping it with nukes. Stop wilfully lying on these boards. It's annoying. At best it's stupidity. Most people polled are generally ill informed/stupid but feel free to carry their torch. We don't need nuclear weapons. Period. Time to move forward together.

-TUX-

Alphabettispaghetti 25 Jan 16 9.09pm

Originally posted by Stuk

20% in favour of scrapping trident completely. 29% in favour of keeping it without nukes. 51% in favour of keeping it with nukes.

Stop wilfully lying on these boards. It's annoying. At best it's stupidity.

Most people polled are generally ill informed/stupid but feel free to carry their torch.

We don't need nuclear weapons. Period.

Time to move forward together.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 25 Jan 16 9.37pm
Originally posted by Stuk 20% in favour of scrapping trident completely. 29% in favour of keeping it without nukes. 51% in favour of keeping it with nukes. Stop wilfully lying on these boards. It's annoying. At best it's stupidity. Sorry my mistake. Still 49% don't want trident in the way it's been proposed. The majority that do want it is not significantly higher.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 25 Jan 16 9.37pm

Originally posted by Stuk

20% in favour of scrapping trident completely. 29% in favour of keeping it without nukes. 51% in favour of keeping it with nukes.

Stop wilfully lying on these boards. It's annoying. At best it's stupidity.

Sorry my mistake.

Still 49% don't want trident in the way it's been proposed. The majority that do want it is not significantly higher.

We are goin up! Coulsdon 25 Jan 16 10.02pm
When will Labour realise that no-one really gives a f*ck about Trident. If they want to be credible they should start talking about the economy, welfare and immigration as those are the three issues at the top of the electorate's minds. They won't though, because their policy on the economy is the little red book, their welfare policy is to uncap it and their leader believes in open borders. What a farce. At least you could have a begrudging respect for Labour when they were a bit credible under Blair, now they're just a laughing stock. The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

We are goin up!

Coulsdon 25 Jan 16 10.02pm

When will Labour realise that no-one really gives a f*ck about Trident. If they want to be credible they should start talking about the economy, welfare and immigration as those are the three issues at the top of the electorate's minds. They won't though, because their policy on the economy is the little red book, their welfare policy is to uncap it and their leader believes in open borders.

What a farce. At least you could have a begrudging respect for Labour when they were a bit credible under Blair, now they're just a laughing stock.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 25 Jan 16 11.55pm
Originally posted by We are goin up! When will Labour realise that no-one really gives a f*ck about Trident. If they want to be credible they should start talking about the economy, welfare and immigration as those are the three issues at the top of the electorate's minds. They won't though, because their policy on the economy is the little red book, their welfare policy is to uncap it and their leader believes in open borders. What a farce. At least you could have a begrudging respect for Labour when they were a bit credible under Blair, now they're just a laughing stock. It's the media that keep bringing up trident. Labour have plenty to say on the other subjects.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 25 Jan 16 11.55pm

Originally posted by We are goin up!

What a farce. At least you could have a begrudging respect for Labour when they were a bit credible under Blair, now they're just a laughing stock.

It's the media that keep bringing up trident. Labour have plenty to say on the other subjects.

We are goin up! Coulsdon 26 Jan 16 9.00am
Originally posted by nickgusset It's the media that keep bringing up trident. Labour have plenty to say on the other subjects. Rubbish. It's up to them to set the agenda. If previous Labour oppositions could do it, so can they. It's called message discipline, giving the electorate a clear idea of what you stand for. Corbyn asking 6 questions on 6 different topics at PMQs is a prime example of the fact he cannot hammer a point home. Labour seem to think you can convince people of your strategy without PR, which is obviously absolute tosh. There is nothing wrong with having a clear, coherent message. Even Owen Jones agrees: [Link] Edited by We are goin up! (26 Jan 2016 9.13am) The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

We are goin up!

Coulsdon 26 Jan 16 9.00am

Originally posted by nickgusset

It's the media that keep bringing up trident. Labour have plenty to say on the other subjects.

Rubbish. It's up to them to set the agenda. If previous Labour oppositions could do it, so can they. It's called message discipline, giving the electorate a clear idea of what you stand for. Corbyn asking 6 questions on 6 different topics at PMQs is a prime example of the fact he cannot hammer a point home.

Labour seem to think you can convince people of your strategy without PR, which is obviously absolute tosh. There is nothing wrong with having a clear, coherent message.

Even Owen Jones agrees: [Link]

Edited by We are goin up! (26 Jan 2016 9.13am)

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

Hoof Hearted 26 Jan 16 10.31am
I got this email today........... As a rule, I don't usually circulate these "Please add your name to show support” appeals that appear in emails, BUT this one is very important. It has been circulating for only a few months and has been sent to several million people. Please keep it going! To show your support for Jeremy Corbyn, just go to the end of the list and add your name. 1. Mrs. Corbyn. 2.

Hoof Hearted 26 Jan 16 10.31am

I got this email today...........

As a rule, I don't usually circulate these "Please add your name to show support” appeals that appear in emails, BUT this one is very important.

It has been circulating for only a few months and has been sent to several million people.

Please keep it going!

To show your support for Jeremy Corbyn, just go to the end of the list and add your name.

1. Mrs. Corbyn.

bubble wrap Carparks in South East London 26 Jan 16 2.33pm
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted I got this email today........... As a rule, I don't usually circulate these "Please add your name to show support” appeals that appear in emails, BUT this one is very important. It has been circulating for only a few months and has been sent to several million people. Please keep it going! To show your support for Jeremy Corbyn, just go to the end of the list and add your name. 1. Mrs. Corbyn. 2. Nick Gusset. 3.

bubble wrap

Carparks in South East London 26 Jan 16 2.33pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

I got this email today...........

As a rule, I don't usually circulate these "Please add your name to show support” appeals that appear in emails, BUT this one is very important.

elgrande bedford 26 Jan 16 2.33pm
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted I got this email today........... As a rule, I don't usually circulate these "Please add your name to show support” appeals that appear in emails, BUT this one is very important. It has been circulating for only a few months and has been sent to several million people. Please keep it going! To show your support for Jeremy Corbyn, just go to the end of the list and add your name. 1. Mrs. Corbyn. 2. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

elgrande

bedford 26 Jan 16 2.33pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

I got this email today...........

As a rule, I don't usually circulate these "Please add your name to show support” appeals that appear in emails, BUT this one is very important.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 26 Jan 16 3.56pm
Originally posted by We are goin up! Rubbish. It's up to them to set the agenda. If previous Labour oppositions could do it, so can they. It's called message discipline, giving the electorate a clear idea of what you stand for. Corbyn asking 6 questions on 6 different topics at PMQs is a prime example of the fact he cannot hammer a point home. Labour seem to think you can convince people of your strategy without PR, which is obviously absolute tosh. There is nothing wrong with having a clear, coherent message. Even Owen Jones agrees: [Link] Edited by We are goin up! (26 Jan 2016 9.13am) Oh please Mr Marr, Don't ask questions about this or this, if you could kindly ask about... You'd get something like this happen. [Link]

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 26 Jan 16 3.56pm

Originally posted by We are goin up!

Labour seem to think you can convince people of your strategy without PR, which is obviously absolute tosh. There is nothing wrong with having a clear, coherent message.

Even Owen Jones agrees: [Link]

Edited by We are goin up! (26 Jan 2016 9.13am)

Oh please Mr Marr, Don't ask questions about this or this, if you could kindly ask about...

You'd get something like this happen.
[Link]

susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 26 Jan 16 4.07pm
I can see why certain people do not want to go on the The Andrew Marr show as he is totally biased as we all know when watching it.... [Link] Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

susmik

PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 26 Jan 16 4.07pm

I can see why certain people do not want to go on the The Andrew Marr show as he is totally biased as we all know when watching it....

[Link]

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

Stuk Top half 26 Jan 16 4.12pm
Originally posted by nickgusset It's the media that keep bringing up trident. Labour have plenty to say on the other subjects. It's not the media bringing it up on here, it's you. Having plenty to say doesn't mean any of it is worthwhile. Edited by Stuk (26 Jan 2016 4.12pm) Optimistic as ever

Stuk

Top half 26 Jan 16 4.12pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

It's the media that keep bringing up trident. Labour have plenty to say on the other subjects.

It's not the media bringing it up on here, it's you.

Having plenty to say doesn't mean any of it is worthwhile.

Edited by Stuk (26 Jan 2016 4.12pm)

Optimistic as ever

jamiemartin721 Reading 27 Jan 16 10.34am
Originally posted by Stuk It's not the media bringing it up on here, it's you. Having plenty to say doesn't mean any of it is worthwhile. Edited by Stuk (26 Jan 2016 4.12pm) Also if you say something that's contentious, and radical like that, the media will always pay attention. A more sensible approach would be to have not been so directly idealistic in answering questions - A more cautious approach would have been to suggest a referendum of the UK on Nuclear Capability - A great tool for reformers in a democracy is to say that something that important is for the people to decide, not individuals. When the media is against you, playing defence often makes more sense that offence. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 27 Jan 16 10.34am

Originally posted by Stuk

It's not the media bringing it up on here, it's you.

Having plenty to say doesn't mean any of it is worthwhile.

Edited by Stuk (26 Jan 2016 4.12pm)

Also if you say something that's contentious, and radical like that, the media will always pay attention. A more sensible approach would be to have not been so directly idealistic in answering questions - A more cautious approach would have been to suggest a referendum of the UK on Nuclear Capability - A great tool for reformers in a democracy is to say that something that important is for the people to decide, not individuals.

When the media is against you, playing defence often makes more sense that offence.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 29 Jan 16 10.31pm
[Link] the dignified don't even enter in the game

Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 29 Jan 16 10.31pm

[Link]

the dignified don't even enter in the game

matt_himself Matataland 30 Jan 16 5.21am
[Link] "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 30 Jan 16 5.21am

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"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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