Are you sure?
People indoctrinated with dangerous nonsense are not a concern to you? Despite the evidence about the behaviour of a significant number of them?

Is it really logical to say that their religion is not a problem because the majority are law abiding?
How many have to become criminals before it becomes a problem for you?

And, as I have pointed out many times, not all, or indeed many, from that background are involved.

Just ask your self this. How would all Christians, of every denomination, feel if the hate filled activities of the Westboro Baptist Church were simply described as being by a "Christian hate group"?

Firstly, they usually are described as Christian hate groups (Google news search for the last 24 hours brings up 50 results) and secondly I don’t think innocent people care. The same as a conservative voter doesn’t get too bothered about someone else being described as a Right Wing thug. There may be some resentment but no one is talking of radicalisation over the issue.

So you think that people don't want to know that these child rapists are muslim?
Why not?

Oh some WANT to know that but that's not the point at all. It's the possible implications within the Muslim communities that I am addressing and not how a Sun or Mail reader feels.

As a community with community leaders, how do you describe these communities. They are a diffrent hence the lovies favourit word "multi culture"
We call them muslim because that's a defining characteristic of their community.

Untrue. They are hiding behind that identity and not defining it.

But yes I would be interested to know how you define this minority group who have lots of child rapists.

Criminals.

The Google results are all based on media reports. Why should media reporting be compromised by threats? The gangs in question do come from the same demographic- previous attempts to label them “Asian” was complained about by all other Aisian communities as they had nothing to do with it and indeed on several occasions their own children were victims. Any group who can be radicalised by such reporting are probably beyond reasoning anyway.

Indoctrination being dangerous is unarguable. As is that those that justify their criminal activities because of a particular interpretation of a religious belief need to have that interpretation challenged and unequivocally denied. Preferably by the religion involved!

None of which justifies lumping all those who share the same religion into the same basket.

I am not tarring anyone with the same brush!

I am suggesting that as using these terms has no discernable benefit but has the potential to assist in the radicalisation of some that it would be wiser to stop using them.

You didn't answer my question, I asked how you define these people who are child rapists. What community do they belong to?

Is it not possible though that Islam, both through its proclamations about women being required to act 'modestly' along with its emphasis on creating the notion of the 'other' through its notions of Kuffir does act as a way of these men's behaviour being justified?

I have never studied Islam but others seem to think that what you say is one of the interpretations that some followers of the religion are encouraged to believe. The key word though is "some". We need to show everyone that in our country our laws and standards apply to all and those who accept them, whatever their personal faith, will be able to lead full and happy lives. Those that don't, for whatever reason but including interpretations of faith, must face the law until they do.

That essentially these girls, through lifestyle choices, essentially asked for it? And that since they are non-Muslims, easier to write off as being lesser than?

Anyone, for whatever reasons, who decide such things need to be detected and punished. Religious belief needs to be disregarded and won't appear on any charge sheet. Excuses are not justifications.

This idea of organised grooming gangs are not predominately Muslim just by off chance are they? Or is it just one of those odd coincidences that we should just brush off and ignore?

That this seems likely to be true is not the point. It may well be how the authorities get to grips with the underlying issues to devise their strategies to eradicate the crimes but to assist them to do so we need to get the Islamic communities on our side and fighting this battle with us. Stigmatising them all is not the way to do that.

Now I believe that these grooming scandals were allowed to continue unchecked for decades because essentially Labour run councils, along with a leadership cadre of both the Police and Social services were willing to trade both electoral advantage and career advancement for this to continue unchallenged and in many cases, actively colluded with the miscreants.

I have no comment to make on that because I don't have any detailed knowledge of it's truth. It has though nothing to do with the issue I have raised.

But Islam provided the wider framework around the group mentality to arise that justified it in the first place. These girls were considered lesser than by all parties involved. A terrible collusion of both left-wing identity dogma allied with a religion that does see non-believers and especially women who do not confirm to its moral standards as fair game.

That's an assertion that cannot be true. It might well be found that certain clerics have been preaching in ways that have led some to believe such things and if so we need to find them, hold them responsible and punish them. It cannot though be true of the whole of Islam.

Edited by Matov (03 Mar 2020 11.49am)